steve motherucking kazmierczak. yes thats exactly the problem here.

i was working at pirates cove in late 1995 and i was you know $4.50/hr child labor laws be damned and like i remember steve kazmierczak, the kind of kid who engaged in odd acts of fellatio with his dog, the kind of kid who'd go and masturbate in the bathroom while you were over at his house, the kind of person who injured kids on the train ride cuz he was mental and he shouldn't be given domain over kids on little faux-traincars with an aluminum baseball bat... when steve fucking kazmierczak ran up to me in late 95 early 96 proudly boasting his brand new copy of "i care because you do" like he was finally in with the cool kids.

both me and my friend joe died a little bit that day.

see back in the day there was utter esoteria-bred-righteousness and the smarminess that these newschool glitch-heads embrace but dont fully understand. i used to like think i policed the aphex twin fandom of elk grove village. music was always too clique-y at high school and when i discovered this wunderkind taking childrens music and combining it with drillled drums that were harder and faster than any metal track i had ever heard, i was like "whoa this is some shit"

and i took it upon myself to be a guardian of the genre.

yes it was MY music and not yours. i was there first dammit and i was there back in the day when lking aphex twin MEANT SMETHING. i mean it meant if you had his entire back-catalogue you were well connected with cool kids cuz in the pre-napster era you couldnt just get the man's entire discography wihtout at least knowing 2-3 people who were more entrenched than you.

there were rites of passage. like seriously people enjoyed the music so much they were starting up their own creative ventures in derivative forms of the message wrought through the music (cough cough joyrex.com hack wheeze) i remember paying my dues. there was a chicagoland bbs called "the analogue bubblebath IV" ran by a dude named source. after i heard ab4 and it changed my world of thinking on music, i applied for the board. i was honest that i just heard cuckoo and it was far and away the most genius form of electronic music i had heard to date and i wished to congregate with people who were into this because i needed to hear more and see what its all about.

i remember source, the dude who ran the board, was like "uh sorry we have too many callers to allow poseurs on"

i will never forget those words, cuz like they burned inside of me like man this is what im doing, but the otehr people doing it think i'm the faux guardian? ha!!

we took no shit in #idm. fresh, who used to run the #1 squarepusher site on the net pre-warp-records came in and was like "do you know who i am? op me" and we're like "actually we dont. we know who squarepusher is, but not you. " and the guy cursed us and said without his support the channel would go nowhere and he would have the last laugh.

well warprecords.com had the last laugh. anywho

so ideally, the guardians of IDM (TM pending) were constantly on guard against mainstreaming in fear of the phenomenon i now call "emo faggotry"

you see in this modern epoch faggotry is a societal defense mechanism geared to instill a delapidating through about creativity in people: if you're sensitive, affluent, and stylish: YOU ARE GAY. this is used to keep the masses in line, because most people suffer from inward-homophobia (they're afraid that they'd like it) so this weird nervous joking about it flaunting gayness openly like you're so fucking cool you can ACTUALLY ACT GAY and yet NOT BE GAY kind of spawned off of it. seriously the gay thing serves its purpose now cuz everyone emulates the media-enforced-stereotypical-gayness because you are led to believe that all people who can interior decorate are in-touch-with-their-emotions-metrosexuals, let alone brash jockish alpha males who would rather have more toys than friends.

so therefore everyone feigns gayness in the hopes of convincing some thinks-shes-deep girl that they're all sensitive and smooth and capable of emotive responses to just about everything. you see all the hoes of the world are busy fucking alpha male rappers, athletes ,celebrities, rockstars, musicians, rich people etc. so they're spoken for. the really really cool girls have no problem picking out who they want so oyu just gotta be wicked cool and get lucky. so this leaves hte pseudoemotional bad-poetry-writing emo-glassesed white chick contingent wide open for our non-alpha-male friends to try and impress through mastering the art of public faggotry to feign depth.

i mean its kind of insulting that any man who showers, cuts his fingernails, and gives a damn about he looks is called a "metrosexual" right? i mean that just terrible cuz replace "metr" with "hom" and you've got the -osexual chillin. its a not so subtle diss at the modern man, who is currently being pussificated (ask mike north, chicago sportsradio host who came up with "steak and blowjob day" i nmarch) and browbeaten into being more liek the kind of "emotive" guy that average girls wanna settle down with, cuz society has a vested interest in upholding hte family unit cuz once you have a kid you lose your freedom to remain "off the grid"... you become a customer, you plug into the matrix, you do everything the way you are told because you cant risk fucking up health insurance for a kid. i mean that'd just be wrong.

so when mainstream america's pussonification was called out by cool people 10 years ago, the kind of bitterly held on to the aspects of hteir culture that kind of validated their diabolicaly intelligent asshole ways, and they fought tooth and nail to make sure that their little oasis in a sea of aural shit was never overtaken by emo faggotry pilots.

i mean, things evolve.. things move on. and peple who could truly give a shit like aphex just will take the money from the idiots as soon as they would from people like us. the dedicated soldjas who probably scare him more than the weird emo faggotry seething newjacks who are busy posting acronyms and inside jokes on "electronic music" messageboards all day long.

plus the music was so fucking good it was bound to happen.


so this is exactly the state of affairs that the oldschool totem poles of all things IDM saw and feared. which is why all of us obviously gave up, listen to arcade fire and air, and now front on a faily cuz we have decided that the menial pursuit of pussy is so much better than any true artistic/creative drive.

btw if you own an arcade fire CD, you should unregister from this board out of shame. go bury your head in some girl's itts and cry i bet she'll love that. meanwhile us soldjas who have paid the piper in the form of never getting recognition from females cuz we're so damn hardcore into stupid things that we refuse to stop and cater into their tastes, we'll continue fighting unnecessary fights and making enemies before we make friends. but like, does the KLF -> aphex pipeline predicate that the people made the music are really nice good ol boys, or bitter assholes who wish to make a mockery of hte canvas that is the world?

as i say about the music i listne to, you can only soak in the works of assholes ofr so long before you become one.

now what sucks is everyone's all happy go "yaaaay other people like me will talk to me" and the result is the heap of crap you see before you. i feel a growing detachment to this board and its principles. so thats why i enlisted the help of paul konerko, cuz i mean this shit will stand no longer. i am one genuinely bored motehrfucker with principles. i havent done anything with my life yet, sure, cuz its because i've been laying low figuring out how to do everything. mastermind shit.

anyways yeah someone tell me to go away cuz i need a warmup argument to get the ol juices flowing agian =D

get to the point fag. d'you
have new planet-mu's or
sublight's or are you fagging.

sorry, i burnt myself out for intellectual stimulation today. meh

see htats why i love posting here. short of thttne, the first reply to all of my posts is "whoa man you suck" usually conveyed through some repetitive keystrokes or someone like "man i cant deal with this right now"

its not my fault that you people like stupid low-level forms of communication and prefer having a lot of stupid friends versus a few cool ones. effort is requisite for all, playb0ys.

the gay thing is imploding imo.. people no longer have any clue as to why they hate homosexuals, it's just sort of in the back of their mind and childhood games. i predict that in ten years we'll all be fags.

How do you have time to post all this?

i have no job. i have no purpose. i have no girlfriend (this is rather obvious). so like all i do is sit around all day brooding and scheming and perfecting philosophical thoughts on just about everything i can muster.

like some people say when they listen to jay-z, :"i'm getting my mind in the right place"

Oh, I see

I did that for a while, it began to take its toll though
Posting on WATMM all day will make you go insane (unless you're getting paid)

the irony here is that i know so much more about the rockman series than just about anyone cuz like i've been keeping up with it since rockman 2 and i was one of those freaks who could actually beat sigma when rockman X cameout to sfc/snes.

you cannot use megaman to make a quip in the face of me. he's on my team. i used to draw him over and over in my third grade notebooks. we shared bitches at lacrosse parties back in college. thats my nigga y0

i seriously dont give a shit.

in my opinion, the more people complain about how much the genre and people around it are stagnating, the more they ignore the acutal fucking good music coming out these days.

oh yeah man i second tat. when i was doing my "hammer of god" impression on watmm back in late 03 / early 04 i was getting paid $12/hr to do it. i really had nothing else to do.

now if i can achieve the same results from 1hr a day, well then it will have proved my powers have increased exponentially.

i wasnt using megaman against you sini!!! i just literally found that gif that second and thought it was as good a time as any to post it.

here, this is for you



BIGUP!

hahah man i'm way up on the music. in fact the music is what keeps me going. its just the PEOPLE that suck.

kind of like nascar/nascar fans. nascar's a decent race if you get into it. but htose rednecks man... get-r-done

its simple man

ignore the fuckin people

go to the places where you feel it....im feeling it in Korea...im actually glad i came...the people are even more shallow than in America....but they feel it....they just dont accept it...

i phased out after the first two paragraphs....

naw but you're desecrating the holy name of rockman by using him as a prop for one-liners. i'm actually thinkig up a movie that outlines the existential voids in life as told through the eyes of endless platform-jumping robot rockman.

lol those Mega Man gifs make any thread worth it

sweet..a diploma!

not enough music in general barter... I am feeling a little bit shy cause for myself to judge, I posted none..

what you guys dont know about sini is that first post took him about 3 minutes to write, when hes here at my house writing like that its like man fucking chill out---im telling you its even more fucked up to watch----ohhhh and he talks the same way---an original character--im glad i met the fucker, we have a good time whenever we go out

sini looooooves it when i'm fucking his ass hard

slut

usually i'll read through all of sini's posts, but i dunno, that's especially long ... also two thumbs up on the megaman gifs

here's what's "poop" with the "cock shit" piss "fuck" "bitch"

hey sini.

i've been here for long enough to have read a bunch of your stuff and,..

whilst it's kinda clever in terms of language useage, and certainly full of attitude, i feel you are holding back some truth in an attempt to sound hip and clever.

i quite dig your writing style, but i'd like to point you towards a wonderful quote from robert heinlein.. (who is incidentally a favourite author of mine.)

and it goes like this...

"obscurity is the refuge of the incompetent".

now on first scan, that might look like it means that the incompetent will eventually find refuge in obscurity, as a result of their incompetence, if you will.

that's not how i see it.

those incompetent of making a concise and reasonable point through their medium.. (in your case words).. find refuge in 'clever' obscurity.

j'accuse sini... calling you out dude.

what have you got to say?

(do try to make some sense in between your dextrous wordsmithery this time though, or you'll just be pwning yourself.)

don't get me wrong... i've got no beef with you, and i like your prose.

i just want to know, does it ever have a point?

hahah man it always has a point. that's the thing. obscurity is a term relative to the beholder. i'm so sorry that i happen to be far more knowledgeable about a great deal more trivial things than most people, but to me that reference is plain as day...a nd when i write here i dont sit and think "hmmm how will people best understand" i just let it rip.

nonsensical obscurity is the jazzband. or like [buzzword] threads that become people's member titles and sigs on a whim's notice.

give me examples of the so-called obscurity and i can do your individual points, but hey man, this is gonna sound awfully crass and bad but hey thats why im here: just because i am smarter than you when it comes to referencing things and i have a vast repetoire of references, analogies, and stories that relate to a point im making... it doesnt make me ignorant. thats a defense mechanism of the stupid. it just exposes hte reader's ignorance so their innate defense mechanism is to strike back by being like "yawn i will not read all that" or "haha damn you're so obscure and you put in so muc hwork stop trying so hard"

when in reality im not trying at all. if i were "trying" as it were, i wouldnt be posting it on here where it by and large would go by nearly 100% unappreciated

edit: and to give some love back, v/v is a cool mofo. i mean i met him in way late 03 early 04 and the first time we hang out he's like "hey here's ultravisitor... lets go get some drugs" -- the man doesnt bullshit. not to mention when my one frined played bitch and claimed he dindt find my ID in his car on the day of the SP show, steve talked his friend into letting me use his ID to get into the show. without v/v i would never have seen squarepusher. thats my fuckin nigga right there. thats why watmm r0x0rz, cuz for all the international fanclub of haters i get, i meet some cool mofos like v-dub and everyday internet noiggaz like p-street (whats up on the comerica experience this yeaqr?) and you know thats what community is all about.

no wait chck that, community is all about forming groups.

"there are people who innovate, and there are people who form groups" - tom jenkinson

and where i struck against watmm is that it's been steadfastly groups for the last 6 months or so.

FUCKIGN YUO THIKN WE AER STOPID OR SOEMTHIGN>

lol

BUD YEAH SSSARRRFUOOOR IZZZ RIHGGT S-CUND>

WAHT>

"just because i am smarter than you"

get over yourself you arrogant mofo.

bring it on if you want.

i thought you were smarter than to make comments like that.

i guess i was wrong.

whatever. if you find yourself to be the fount of knowledge and auto-entertainment, good luck to you.

i'm sure you'll be very happy together.


incidentally, i never said you were ignorant. read the post next time before you do the whole word dysentery thang dude.

no need to be defensive.

if not a book, maybe a newspaper column or something.

sinelips your post was very well written and i think that your content is at least equal to your style. But please allow me to go a bit back to share my experience of the original years of acid house and techno 88-92 as i lived them travelling from detroit to the uk, germany, and back again. Hopefully i will give people who werent there an impression of what the ``scene`` was like. although we didnt use that word back then. And also how during these years idm found it's roots and evolved.

I started djing in 1984 in detroit. At that time, people were into disco and the crowd was mostly composed of black/spanish/gay people. There were actually 2 types of clubs that were of any significant importance: the really cool, hip and overpriced new wave clubs and the gay clubs. Eventually i got upset with the fact that new wavers were more interested in looking cool than listening to good music and competing for who looks most fucked up while gays didnt give a shit about music as long as there was a big dirty bass drum because they were high on meth all the time. I saw myself as a musician and an electronic music conoiseur, i liked kraftwerk, tangerine dream, cabaret voltaire, etc etc. There were only a few clubs that played good music like that but the crowd was shit, no one was dancing. I guess you could say industrial was the idm of the time. Anyway, i kept doing a few gigs here and there but lost interest and stopped until 88.

During the summer of 88, i started djing again because of this emerging music called acid house which was as much into sonic exploration as big bass. it seemed to be the best of the 2 worlds. there were people doing maintream stuff like dj pierre, mr.lee, etc. but i wasnt into that stuff. i was into some white labels some of my friends were putting out that were just AMAZING!!! They used 2 303s but were doign stuff in 7/8 and adding ambient textures. the hihats were all over the place too, none of that oom tchi oom tchi! There were underground guys in detroit like Deli P. and DDR 122 that did that kind of stuff too. unfortunately they werent too popular so most of them went to the uk, were they were a bit more open minded and into different drugs as well (acid and XTC as opposed to meth). So i decided to go to england as well, i quit my day job and the few regular gigs i had in troit and got in londo with 50$ in my pocket and 2 bags of clothes. The first year was rather hard for me i had trouble understanding what all those pople calling me mate were saying but i felt i was at the right place (i was right!).

I met Richard James in 1991 at a club called ``the onyx`` , if i remember well, near london. At that time he was doing alot of beach parties and we often played together. he was mostly into acid house, just like me (DJ HardHausen) and was starting to write some of his classic tunes, of which he never gave any copy to anyone until they were competely done. I often asked him about how he did things but he was really protective and did or said somethign excentric to change the subject. whatever. He was well into DDR 112 and iwas surprised he played alot of their really obscure tunes but people were liking it! I guess the techno scene was splitting in 2 around 1990; you had the really commercial guys and us, the experimental people who played fucked up ``undanceable`` music. But both scenes seemed to be equal in importance,

in 1991, as i said, trance was coming, things were getting faster, pirate radios were on the air and hardcore was the shit. Richard as well as other people were into that for a moment. i never was. So i left my shitty south london appartment and went to dusselhorf. What a surprise when i discovered none of those people listend to hardcore. theyr were still into techno, but a very perfect and clean and non-gay techno. They really understood the sound of techno in my point of view and i was happy there, until the arrival of.... drum roll.... JUNGLE, in 1993! So i went back to london and did gigs djing the hardest jungle ever. i had all the cuts by remarc and the more experimental people working at that time, mostly white labels though. At first it was ragga jungle so people who were into reggae and all the jamaicans were also into it. I guess somehow people got tired of E around that time and were into downers and mostly pot (oh how i remember when you just opened the door at one of them parties and a cloud of chronic would attack you). Even if you didnt smoke you were high just by breathing in those rooms. It's hard for me to recall much from that period. But somehow, it was 1995 and i do feel like most of the big important idm albums were done/released during that year. I had lost contact with The Aphex Twin but often listened and played his records.

Regarding the attitude of that period, id say people who were into it were mostly 20-25 and yeah it was more underground, people were kind of proud to listen to the most obscure stuff possible. well now that i think of it it hasnt changed too much since then... oh well


Baron Hardhausen, ex-dj

R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

t.h.a.n.k.s.

baron... you are the god among these watmm peeps... you get my respect.

well i had the same reverence for the people who went through the 60s and 70s i was like damn i wish i was born earlier... but you know in 10 years time youl be happy you went through the 00's and 10's (damn thats weird) and people will ask you about it. Everything is happening all the time man

oh no... from your first post and what you've encountered... it seems like you are probably 5 to 10 years my senior... when you first started djing... i was breakdancing in my pre-teens and listening to kraftwerk and various new wave and industrial groups... i started djing in the early 90s in art galleries mixing ambient and instrumental hip hop... throughout the 90s i started mixing tech step style dnb then idm... i started making my own music about 3 years ago and performing at underground idm parties in the los angeles area... i know my share... and i'm spreading knowledge to those interested... i found it totally enlightening when you came by... because theses kids need to be schooled... and this exists everywhere.

sini, i still havent figured out why you put watmm in scare quotes?

Im 44 almost 45. Good luck with your music career, it is worth it!!!

Interesting comments!

Anyway, to cut to the chase, I was a former manager (yes, it's Jill, Joy's sister... remember me?) at Pirate's Cove in Elk Grove Village, IL. back in the mid 90's and seeing this post brings back memories. I never had many problems with any employee, except for one in particular.

I remember a worker whom I managed at Pirate's Cove in Elk Grove Village named Jim Schaefer , who had to be removed from his position because he never showed up on time, and because of the serious allegations of sexually inappropriate conduct with minors at our park. I mean, we knew that Jim had some serious psychological issues, but when we found out about these claims of touching, we had to let this guy go. This was quite disturbing to all of the managers at Pirate's Cove, and a police report had to be filed, (yeah, a lot of drama at our quaint little park). Although the claims of abuse were never proven, the allegations alone caused my sister Joy and I to terminate him.

Crazy times at good ol' Pirate's Cove.
All in all, Pirate's Cove was fine, despite the fact that I only made 7.00/hr as a park manager, lol. :dizzy:

er.. what's going on here..?

tell us about when ambient techno arrived please????

i'm fed up reading the same thing over and over again worded slightly differently for a new WATMM market.

it's getting very boring and is infact indicative of the failing state of WATMM that you profess to 'tell us about' in the thread title.

change the record

mo

i culdn't be bothgerd to read all that 1st post
but i think i probbly agree
i just dont care enouhg anymore

looks like some dude googled his name, found that post, and has countered sini's rant against him. watmm is priceless.

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you seem a little angry fred. did sini molest you at pirate's cove?

that about sums it up regardless of genre

*performs an omaplota on the thread*

lol