[kaini]

you should tell him to make some decent music again rather than the hippy garbage he's been churning out for the last ten years

[Calx Sherbet]

more of the lifeforms and dead cities era?

[ezkerraldean]

Calx Sherbet, on 09 September 2009 - 11:54 AM, said:

more of the lifeforms and dead cities era?

yeah, that kinda stuff was the best FSLOL by far imo

[Rubin Farr]

Regardless of whether you like their rock stuff (and they are recording a new electronic album) I have sympathy for indie musicians trying to put out their own stuff. Fsol went thru so much shit with Virgin records and almost disbanded permanently. Now these two are trying to run an independent label and distribute their work digitally, which is a pretty good setup for a band site, but if their meager income (and I'm sure it is) gets cut then they can't fund things like their recording studio or self financed DVD they're working on. And yes he did contact u personally instead of sticking some twat lawyer on u sending a cease and desist. It was the right thing to take the tracks down.

[mcbpete]

Calx Sherbet, on 09 September 2009 - 11:30 AM, said:

i didn't grow up with this stuff. and even if i did i don't remember any of it, and i don't study law

So you admit to not knowing your rights about any of this stuff but decide to try and argue head on with an artist who has been dealing with the music industry for about 2 and a half decades about why you're illegally distributing his tracks. That's pretty audacious :lol:

[Joy Rex]

mcbpete, on 09 September 2009 - 12:14 PM, said:

Calx Sherbet, on 09 September 2009 - 11:30 AM, said:

i didn't grow up with this stuff. and even if i did i don't remember any of it, and i don't study law

So you admit to not knowing your rights about any of this stuff but decide to try and argue head on with an artist who has been dealing with the music industry for about 2 and a half decades about why you're illegally distributing his tracks. That's pretty audacious :lol:

Ginormous Brass Balls Award™ goes to Calx Sherbet!

[Calx Sherbet]

okay, unless we are going to talk about FSOL music, can this just get locked? my self esteem is bottomed out

ezkerraldean, on 09 September 2009 - 11:56 AM, said:

Calx Sherbet, on 09 September 2009 - 11:54 AM, said:

more of the lifeforms and dead cities era?

yeah, that kinda stuff was the best FSLOL by far imo

did you mean to say FSLOL? lol

[kokoon]

:facepalm:

[Calx Sherbet]

okay, this is embarrassing on my part, but Garry wants me to post this so he can see it here

my apology to him (from hours ago)

"i'm actually really sorry. my response to you was innappropriate. i probably shouldn't have responded to you in such an angry mood. but your music i uploaded is gone, and i feel bad about what happened. i don't think we need to hate each other"

his response

Quote

ah nice
ploy . . .I like it !! Act contrite here in private to me but run a parallel
campaign on a forum where you use my responses and act aghast and paint me as
the "uptight out-of touch" musician who punishes a simple fan who innocently
shared an mp3. Now we both know that isn't quite the real picture here though
don't we ??.Not very original . . .watching too much TV !! Its pretty obvious
from my history and attitudes that I don't quite fit that archetype !! But
actually yes I do think your response was inappropriate. i wrote to you openly
to discuss what your reasoning was for uploading my whole album ( I could simply
have reported copyright infringement ) your response was unfortunate really . .
I am not particularly bothered about the uploading . I was interested in hearing
your reasons. You basically confirmed you have no respect for considering the
rights of others . .even the rights of the actual OWNER . . this actually
bothers me far more !! As i said edits of tracks or several stand-out tracks
from an album would be one thing but every track ( even the dodgy ones ha ha !!
) seems to me quite clearly to point to a different agenda. . .I fully
understand the various implications and positives of the freedom of the digital
age and actually we ( as FSOL ) encourage a lot of it so I find your attempts to
frame me in this light rather humorous. . .to reiterate . Now . . post
this response AND yours above and btw . .HATE??? what's that ?? Hello and love
to everyone !!!!!

my response

"hold up. i made my thread on this whole argument BEFORE i apologised. i regret making the thread, and that is why i apologised to you. there isn't anything i can do about the thread, it's just kinda stuck there forever. i haven't said a bad word about you ever since, so this isn't a ploy."

and lastly, his final word

Quote

as i said post my response and your apology and then I think you'll have at least have represented the situation fully and not framed it and me as I think you have at present

gaz x

so there we go. /thread

facepalm all you want

[kaini]

so FSOL read watmm? lol

[Calx Sherbet]

lol, i guess someone told him. or maybe they do just for the hell of it

[Awepittance]

kokoon, on 09 September 2009 - 06:46 AM, said:

Joyrex, on 09 September 2009 - 06:38 AM, said:

You Sir, are a penis of the highest order.

Providing sample tracks here and there, not FULL FUCKING ALBUMS, is the way to show your love for a group and promote their music (even though they never asked you to in the first place). You are not encouraging anyone to go and buy the full album or other albums when you give away an entire release - you're removing any incentive to actually go and buy it since most will think, "hell, I've already got it, why would I go spend money on it - I'll just go buy something else with the money Calx Sherbet saved me." Twat.

Did you even stop to think this through? Why do you think the smaller labels (and now the artists trying to sell direct) are going under? It financially becomes unsustainable when somebody can search Google for "[insert artist name or album name here] rapidshare" and come up with a whole fuckton of sites like yours that give it away with no consideration to the fact you're taking sales away from the artist, and removing any incentive for the prospective fan to go buy it themselves, be it physical or digital.

All you're doing is trying to increase the size of your already non-existent e-penis by offering somebody else's hard work for free without consulting them or even giving some thought to how it would or could benefit the creator.

And to go around saying you're the admin of a domain you don't even own, let alone have nothing to do with is fucking sad, and a bit dangerous if someone ever decided to pursue any action against you and implicated that domain in the proceedings.

Do the right thing, send a heartfelt apology to FSOL and promise to never do such a thing again.

true dat

i mostly agree with this, there seems to be a huge disconnect with younger music fans especially with why file sharing of commercial releases can actually hurt the artist in question.
i've had arguments with various members on here who brag regularly about how they never buy any music and when pinned down to why they claim to love a certain artist but only steal from them their response is 'artists dont make money off their music anyways' . talk about circular fucking logic
And i dont mean to be age discriminatory, i really do believe people raised on ipods and mp3s look at the relationship between musician and how they make money very different if at all

This post has been edited by Awepittance: 09 September 2009 - 03:57 PM

[Awepittance]

kaini, on 09 September 2009 - 03:42 PM, said:

so FSOL read watmm? lol

more likely they are just internet savvy and have google alerts on , the moment calx posted that im sure it came up in their gmail with a clickable link to the thread right there

[Adjective]

well that seems to have ended on a positive note
batcocks all around
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/eponymic/batcock-emote.gif


edit!

This post has been edited by Adjective: 09 September 2009 - 03:59 PM

[Calx Sherbet]

Awepittance, on 09 September 2009 - 03:53 PM, said:

kokoon, on 09 September 2009 - 06:46 AM, said:

Joyrex, on 09 September 2009 - 06:38 AM, said:

You Sir, are a penis of the highest order.

Providing sample tracks here and there, not FULL FUCKING ALBUMS, is the way to show your love for a group and promote their music (even though they never asked you to in the first place). You are not encouraging anyone to go and buy the full album or other albums when you give away an entire release - you're removing any incentive to actually go and buy it since most will think, "hell, I've already got it, why would I go spend money on it - I'll just go buy something else with the money Calx Sherbet saved me." Twat.

Did you even stop to think this through? Why do you think the smaller labels (and now the artists trying to sell direct) are going under? It financially becomes unsustainable when somebody can search Google for "[insert artist name or album name here] rapidshare" and come up with a whole fuckton of sites like yours that give it away with no consideration to the fact you're taking sales away from the artist, and removing any incentive for the prospective fan to go buy it themselves, be it physical or digital.

All you're doing is trying to increase the size of your already non-existent e-penis by offering somebody else's hard work for free without consulting them or even giving some thought to how it would or could benefit the creator.

And to go around saying you're the admin of a domain you don't even own, let alone have nothing to do with is fucking sad, and a bit dangerous if someone ever decided to pursue any action against you and implicated that domain in the proceedings.

Do the right thing, send a heartfelt apology to FSOL and promise to never do such a thing again.

true dat

i mostly agree with this, there seems to be a huge disconnect with younger music fans especially with why file sharing of commercial releases can actually hurt the artist in question.
i've had arguments with various members on here who brag regularly about how they never buy any music and when pinned down to why they claim to love a certain artist but only steal from them their response is 'artists dont make money off their music anyways' . talk about circular fucking logic
And i dont mean to be age discriminatory, i really do believe people raised on ipods and mp3s look at the relationship between musician and how they make money very different if at all

this is true also. but i sure as hell would never brag about stealing music, that's pretty dumb. i still buy it.

This post has been edited by Calx Sherbet: 09 September 2009 - 04:00 PM