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[Ivan Ooze]

Agreed with the dude that made the tread
been a while since i heard a new album that turns my world upside down
lots of great new music but nothing that realy gets me by the throat

[Backson]

Whilst I agree with the general opinion of most people here that there have been many many outstanding albums recently, I guess OP is probably talking about something that has garnered wide or cult acclaim and has become very influencial. otherwise the topic has no structure at all and might as well have been called "i like old albums, now argue with me as though that could even possibly be mistaken for objective..."

With that said, I was listening to The Knife's Silent Shout the other day and I think that is a masterpiece. I know its all opinion, but it just feels like there's nothing outside of that album that could compare when you begin listening. Ever so sightly more objective is the feeling that that was the moment The Knife went from a good band to an astounding one. And it should also be noted its had an influence over the swarm of the indie electronic producers of the last two or three years, the ones doing that haunting, woozy, dark stuff.

[Drix]

There is always Kanye's MBDTF. Both the critics, general public and music freaks pretty much agreed on that beeing a truly great album. If it wasn't for the horrible sounding mastering on it, I'd listen to it more myself.

[gmanyo]

I personally think that with the amount of music being turned out these days, it's hard to go more than a few months without a "truly great album". I don't understand people who complain about today's music industry; there's so much room for independent artists. Hell, there are great songs coming out of this very forum.

It's almost overwhelming, in a sense.

[YO303]

Albums are never become instant classics, it usually takes years for people to appreciate them.

10 years from now people like Yagya and Andy Stott will be regarded as legends.

[rixxx]

YO303, on 05 February 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Albums are never become instant classics, it usually takes years for people to appreciate them.

TRU DAT.

[autopilot]

joshuatxuk, on 01 February 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

I actually despise other brostep producers (Excision, certain Borgore tracks, Datsik, "Dubstep Remixes") more when it comes to the music. He's like the Lady Gaga or Madonna of EDM though, super hyped by the media and fanatic teen fans, he's "trendy" and his image is a huge part of what he is. Like those too pop singers it's obvious he's rehashing what others have done, yet he's the clearly the most popular. He's like #2 on the list of "dubstep" artists on last.fm, after Burial and before Nero. Digital Mystikz aren't even in the top 8.

Digital Mystikz haven't made anything new in like 6 years.  I'm kind of sick of them being championed as the be-all end-all of deep dubstep when their stuff is super bland compared to current Black Box/Box Clever/Tempa output.

Not directed at you, Josh, I just felt like saying that for some reason.

As for this thread....doesn't it seem like every 2 or 3 weeks all the same people are telling some user that "there's still great music out there you just have to dig deep enough/take time to digest it/blah blah blah".  If you want to get old & stop appreciating music, fine, but there's more great stuff being made now than ever before.

The method of distribution has changed, so the next Beatles aren't going to be as huge as the Beatles because anyone with that kind of artistic vision isn't going to have the Sony BMG push behind them anymore.  You're not going to hear anything new & good on FM radio ever again.  You're not even really going to be able to walk into a record shop in 5 years.  Start perusing blogs & website and getting recommendations from similar-taste friends, or keep listening to stuff released before 2005 until you die.

And honestly, if you really want to hear some great stuff, go to your local clubs & bars and see some DJs/bands you've never heard of.  I guarantee you'll be pleasantly suprised, and get away from that internet music apathy thing that's going around.

[Ivan Ooze]

this thread is to hard i'm out

[gmanyo]

autopilot, on 05 February 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

As for this thread....doesn't it seem like every 2 or 3 weeks all the same people are telling some user that "there's still great music out there you just have to dig deep enough/take time to digest it/blah blah blah".  If you want to get old & stop appreciating music, fine, but there's more great stuff being made now than ever before.

The method of distribution has changed, so the next Beatles aren't going to be as huge as the Beatles because anyone with that kind of artistic vision isn't going to have the Sony BMG push behind them anymore.  You're not going to hear anything new & good on FM radio ever again.  You're not even really going to be able to walk into a record shop in 5 years.  Start perusing blogs & website and getting recommendations from similar-taste friends, or keep listening to stuff released before 2005 until you die.

Not sure what the "blah blah blah" quote was about, but I agree. I don't even really think you have to look very hard for it. The sheer volume of music out there is insane.

[murphythecat8]

LOL Alzado, on 01 February 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

sidewinder, on 01 February 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

It was a time during which the average person was exposed to far less than today. Allowing such artists to become hugely popular because everyone was listening to them and little else. Unlike today where there are thousands of ways to discover new music.

true, but it's more than that.  the possibilities for pop music were comparatively less explored at that point too.  as time goes on, it will be increasingly difficult to craft groundbreaking material because there just isn't as much ground to break...at least not in the genres with which we're currently familiar.  so it will take someone creating a bold new direction for pop music.  it's hard to conceive of without hearing it, but hopefully it's out there waiting to be discovered.

I mean what do you think is the problem?
For me the problem is the musicians itself. You talk about the wall or the beatles. It was a band. MEaning that their was a drummer limited only by his hand that could come up with beats he wanted to hear on the spot: the drumme used to practiced all their lives to do beats they liked. Then the guitarist practiced all their lives to creates melodies and intelligent solos. then the bassist ect.
The problem nowadays is that ONE guy have to "build" all those skills and those ideas. More and more music gets in the electronic zone and less artist will be good I think. Aphex twin is probably the only electronic artist I totally think that is a genius: he is able to combine and creates god beats and basses and melodies.
I dont reallt want to explain everything but I hope that you get the point?

The problem with music can only be the musicians themselves. I did electronic music for 3 years. I was getting quite decent but once I heard clearly how the beatles or zappa or hendrix or whatever ingeniousity created by a band I had to give up.

Edited by murphythecat8, 21 February 2012 - 09:28 PM.

[Gocab]

My main disappointment with (electronic) music in this day and age is that It's all variations on known themes, it's been a while since I heard an album that sounds like nothing else out there. The same goes for most artists in the electronic domain, most of them lack any distinct signature sound, it's just a rehashing of old ideas and fine tuning of production styles. There's not a lot of risk taking and willingness to "break the mold". Most artists seem quite content to stay in their little subgenre cubicles.

Edited by Gocab, 21 February 2012 - 11:51 PM.

[vamos scorcho]

actress

to the great release quagmire i would say splazsh as well as a few others

maybe... ------?

the whole idea of the 'great release' is what's dead. not great releases themselves. it's the idea of a great release which everyone can agree on that might be outdated. i might be wrong though. i know what means the most to me and in a very serious way there aren't many who feel the same

sometimes i feel it's like depression... i don't have that 'first time hearing confield' anymore or 'first time hearing RDJ' or 'first time realizing how genius ___ is' etc

it's just like i'm referencing previous moments in my life to try and remake them. it doesn't work though. i need to accept the here and now.

and that is Maurizio, Hype Williams, new MoM, james Blake, Kindred, revisiting Autechre,

realizing Drukqs gets greater and greater

hearing classical music and being blown away

what's lacking is the overall culture, not the music, the culture of the psychology.

and the current psychology is disconnected and overly hypersensitive to hype and individual ideas. instead of embracing or unifying. constant re-evaluation.

music is seriously moving forwards. IDK!

Edited by vamos scorcho, 22 February 2012 - 12:12 AM.

[vamos scorcho]

Gocab, on 21 February 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

My main disappointment with (electronic) music in this day and age is that It's all variations on known themes, it's been a while since I heard an album that sounds like nothing else out there. The same goes for most artists in the electronic domain, most of them lack any distinct signature sound, it's just a rehashing of old ideas and fine tuning of production styles. There's not a lot of risk taking and willingness to "break the mold". Most artists seem quite content to stay in their little subgenre cubicles.

edit: forget it

Edited by vamos scorcho, 22 February 2012 - 12:22 AM.

[lumpenprol]

lol alzado be trollin'

but I agree about Trademark Ribbons of Gold, it definitely hits the "innovative and amazing" sweet spot

[keltoi]

*farts*

[Atop]

*transmits Keltoi's fart into chamber and bathes in the glowing stench aura*

[Awepittance]

Drix, on 05 February 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

There is always Kanye's MBDTF. Both the critics, general public and music freaks pretty much agreed on that beeing a truly great album. If it wasn't for the horrible sounding mastering on it, I'd listen to it more myself.

i think what the proves now is that any 'general consensus' among people now adays about a great album is a feedback loop of self congratulatory pop culture patting on the back hype machine. because that's fucking ridiculous

[Awepittance]

YO303, on 05 February 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

10 years from now people like Yagya and Andy Stott will be regarded as legends.

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uuuh, maybe if andy stott kept making music and changed direction a little bit. Even though i love his stuff, he seems very much hinged to a very trendy production style right now. To me that's kind of legend-making kryptonite. The legends are the ones who invent their own production style or put a drastic new spin on it

[kaini]

autopilot, on 05 February 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Digital Mystikz haven't made anything new in like 6 years.  

they released return ii space last year, a 6-track ep. and i think there's something newer as well.

[gmanyo]

2006
Body Riddle by Clark

2007
Foley Room by Amon Tobin

2008
Crystal Castles by Crystal Castles

2009
Everything She Touched Turned Ampexian by Prefuse 73
Rifts by Oneohtrix Point Never


2010
Splazsh by Actress
Trademark Ribbons of Gold by VHS Head
Eccojams vol.1 by Oneohtrix Point Never
Cosmogramma by Flying Lotus

2011
Exmilitary by Death Grips
James Blake by James Blake
Yonkers and Goblin by Tyler, the Creator (the songs, because the rest of the Goblin album is meh)

If anything, I think as we progress into the internet and software age, the number of amazing releases has skyrocketed. This list is hardly exhaustive.

I wouldn't consider Tyler, the Creator to be as good as the others, but him, James Blake, and Crystal Castles are more popular and thus have more effect on the mainstream, and therefore are bigger "game changers" overall. Also, Kompakt probably has some revolutionary shit, but I don't know much on that label. I should look into it more.

Edited by gmanyo, 26 February 2012 - 04:27 AM.

[azatoth]

I find that I've become less excited by new music than I did when I was younger. Maybe the youthful enthusiasm also made new music feel more epic and greater than it really was. I still enjoy a proper good record, but without the giddiness of youth and need to constantly listen to it.

[gmanyo]

azatoth, on 26 February 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

I find that I've become less excited by new music than I did when I was younger. Maybe the youthful enthusiasm also made new music feel more epic and greater than it really was. I still enjoy a proper good record, but without the giddiness of youth and need to constantly listen to it.

Could also be that it's so much easier to get now.

[azatoth]

That's true. You spend less time with a record than before as you can immediately get another one easily. And I've given up on discovering new stuff, it's simply too much work to sift through everything that is available to find that one thing that you will like. I stick to the labels/artists that I like and be done with it. And that's already a lot of material to process.

[o00o]

azatoth, on 26 February 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

I find that I've become less excited by new music than I did when I was younger. Maybe the youthful enthusiasm also made new music feel more epic and greater than it really was. I still enjoy a proper good record, but without the giddiness of youth and need to constantly listen to it.

its because when you where young there was so much left to discover. now it has to be better than these endless tracks you have already discovered

[azatoth]

I've become jaded. I do remember when I discovered IDMz in the beginning of the noughties, it was full of joyous moments, downloading countless albums through Soulseek and hanging in the chatroom when a new Autechre release having just leaked...ah the good times.