ryancolecreate Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Someone needs to do a vid over using it w/ hardware as a sequencer. Still seems goofy to me, but it's likely because I don't really grasp the workflow that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skotosa Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Placing a compressor and maximizer in the master track will prevent peaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Placing a compressor and maximizer in the master track will prevent peaking. But using a consequent compression on the master too early in the mix can prevent you from hearing the real dynamic nature of the tracks of your mix thus alter the relevancy of the further work you'll put into those. Deal with the dynamics upstream before to deal with them seriously into the master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I don't know if it's by the books but lately I've been just putting a tape saturation VST on the master track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Did some jams in this today. It's been a while. Forgot how fun this is for sequencing hardware, and how great the effects sound. I think it's about time I re-registered, being stuck at 2.5.1 I am missing out on some pretty awesome features Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 My regular setup is Reaper rewiring Renoise and it's so smooth !.. You should try I tried this today and forgot the audio is unidirectional from Renoise into Reaper. So no processing external synths through sweet Renoise fx in this setup, although I can still sequence them with Renoise. Also couldn't figure out how to use the bus outs - Reaper bitches at me when I try to duplicate the Rewire track. So it kind of felt like the purpose was defeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You have to output each Renoise track into a bus (instead of the master), then to create a track in Reaper which is dedicated to Renoise (with rewire in the FX) and which contains as much "subtracks" you need, multiplied by 2 (Renoise only send stereo tracks). Then you'll have to link the Renoise buses to the different subtracks in the Rewire : Renoise FX panel, and finally to output each subtrack of the big rewire track into a new Reaper track (using the sends from the IO panel). God that's a quite messy explanation. Let me know if it wasn't clear enough and I'll make another one with the programs launched. I remember finding the technique by googling something like "Reaper Renoise Rewire" anyway. I still use this setup and I'm really happy with it. It provides me a certain comfort that allows me to compose without being too much slowed down by the interface. And it allows me to compose and mix in the same time, which is very convenient (I don't like to mix in Renoise). Basically I use Renoise for all the beats and Reaper for the synths. It can seem somehow rigid but it really works like that for me at the moment and I think I'll stick a little bit more with it before experimenting with another setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 OK, your directions didn't quite work, but neither did anyone else's. I got it working without subtracks. This guy's directions didn't work either but they got me on the right track http://forum.renoise.com/index.php?/topic/36610-solvedrouting-renoise-audio-into-reaper/ I finally just followed taktik's post in that thread. Before loading Rewire, I clicked the "I/O" button on Master in the Mixer section, and selected "12" for Track Channels in the upper-right of the dialog box. Then I did the same for the 1st track. Then I set the Rewire Output is the corresponding Track Channel in the "Audio from Rewire" tab of the FX window for ReWire: Renoise, one for each L/R channel in each stereo pair, just like you said. I think this is the most important part. Finally, still in the FX window, I right clicked on ReWire: Renoise in the FX list, and selected "Build multichannel routing for output of selected FX..." This automatically created a track for each output bus. From there I didn't have to do anything else, no subtracks, no arming, no fiddling with monitoring or recording. I made another track and assigned it to an unused bus. After increasing the number of track channels, I had to assign the Rewire outputs to them. It took me an hour to figure it out but it's starting to make sense. Thanks for the help :) This is kind of a cool way to work. It makes Renoise feel even more hardware-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 OK, nevermind, so if I record the output with effects on them, they get recorded with the effects. So when I play back the track the effects get applied twice. Ugh. I think I know a workaround but I'm kind of tired of trying to figure this thing out now. Oh well. It's good to know that it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 dude, You can ask Renoise specific questions on the Renoise forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Um, isn't this a Renoise thread on a production subforum of an electronic music forum? Anyway, point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 ill reignite this one having a play around with renoise again after a while anyone having problems with gain staging/mixing...there is a default track pre gain feature in song settings that will help prevent clipping...i use -15 generally i hate rewire and wish this was a catch all program but I'm missing the ease of use in cubase...guess its just habits i totally get the whole mechanical thing someone mentioned and the cheap sounding thing too i wonder why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 i totally get the whole mechanical thing someone mentioned and the cheap sounding thing too i wonder why Cos it's a big step sequencer and they have really rigid timing by default maybe? Couple ideas:- Delay some steps a little, or use groove templates to do it for you - Vary your drum samples a little, like use 2, 3, 4, or 5 nearly identical hats/snares and alternate them irregularly - Use an LFO on some subtle filtering or EQ to vary that. Try it on the envelope decay too if you're using Renoise 3 Also I finally started messing with the Lua scripting a little and you can do some pretty legit MIDI processing with it, you don't even need to use the sequencer if you don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 cheers i have no idea about scripting but ill have a look 10 years to feel fluent in a daw 10 years to unlearn it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The Lua thing was a big aside, I should have made a separate post. But it is quite nice. Reaper has something similar but it's awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modey Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 i totally get the whole mechanical thing someone mentioned and the cheap sounding thing too i wonder why shit man, I've never thought this—trackers are the most expressive electronic music software tools available, imo. It's definitely possible to make super mechanical, sterile music in a tracker (which I do love as well), but I think the strength is being able to have such fine control over all parameters using commands. As for cheap, well it's cheap in cheap out, tbh; it's only as good as the sounds you use in it. Having said that, everything I've ever made in Renoise has been a pastiche of early 90s Amiga music, but that's by choice.. and I still don't think it sounds cheap anyway :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 yea sure i mean in terms of my use rather than those who are experienced i should have said i get the whole I CAN ONLY MAKE MECHANICAL MUSIC WITH IT thing I'm coming from other software so I'm daw prejudice right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Yeah I agree you can get very expressive with a tracker. You can sort of approach it like a set of monosynths, only they can sample too. Once you start getting a feel for the commands it'll click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 humanisation is one thing i wanna get...humanising breaks for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 10 years to feel fluent in a daw 10 years to unlearn it I've come from the other way round (tracker for 15 years then to DAW), took me about 2 years to move over to the 'new' way of working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Yeah I agree you can get very expressive with a tracker. You can sort of approach it like a set of monosynths, only they can sample too. Once you start getting a feel for the commands it'll click. Why monosynth? I mean you can play multiple notes at the same time on the same track in Renoise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabi Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 There a million ways to get a more humanized sound in a tracker, from actually playing the notes live, to iteratively tweaking delay offsets (In Renoise you can use the block loop feature, or press Return to reset playback from a given point while you tweak the values), to messing around with sample start points and loops. I find wave editing to be an important part of the tracker workflow, so stuff like swapping out samples in a breakbeat is pretty fundamental (in this case, you are basically sampling a groove). There's an argument to be made for using an external editor, but I don't often find it necessary. Anyway, the SXX command is a lot more fun when you are using your own sounds. Some people will just suggest using a higher LPB, but I must say that going higher than 4 LPB has rarely worked for me, even for complex breakbeat shit. In Renoise you have cut/delay (C/Q) commands and infinite note lanes at your disposal, so use 'em. Final tip: Renoise's wave editor can show you sample offsets in beat values and sample offsets at the same time, which is useful for synchronizing hits with the sequencer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Sorry for the beginner q Using effects commands: Am I right in saying you can enter sample effect commands in vol column but this has less resolution e.g. G5? As opposed to in the fx column e.g. 0GFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modey Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 umm, I think so? I'm not sure. I never use the volume column, you can add extra sample effect columns though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kausto Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Some effects commands in vol column are different from effect column commands. Retrig (0RXX and RX) for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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