hoggy Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Yeah for sure, it has a bassline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bitroast Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 it's on the machinedrum comp so there "melodies" going on in the samples and stuff but all in all a pretty stripped back, drum machine only track I think. (if you haven't heard this one, on the same compilation there's also the collab with venetian snares, which is interesting in itself for being venetian snares / autechre collab:) spoiler because this is pretty irrelevant to the melody discussion hehe http://www.discogs.com/Various-45-A-Tribute-To-Daniel-Hansson/release/1307559 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvzSINVVEbM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhylumZunami Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 no, its people who don't actually "get" what a melody is. they have a rough understanding of it. you can make melody out of banging pots and pans in your kitchen cupboard. lol, I think its more you who dont get what people mean when they say that autechre has no melodies. Its arguable to say that autechre has very little melodic elements. k, now you're switching to "very little melodic elements" when originally the gripe was no melody at all. i'd agree with the sparse melodic elements aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I like to imagine you singing this to yourself while you wash the dishes in a cosy little sewer in a historic Brussels neighborhood. Jolly little tune! Is he actually singing about anything or is that sort of missing the point? I can't really take death metal seriously though I like listening to Sunn O))) occasioanlly, but that's a bit more like dying in bed with lots of comfy pillows and maybe a cat or two to keep you company. it's from one of my absolute favorite albums, he's actually gurgling lyrics, so brutal it's hilarious it's pretty "idm" imo, makes me go berzerk apeshit and it's groovy, look it up, you might like it more then sunn o))) if you bite your teeth in it seen them live once and is was exactly like the album, unbelievable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest murphythecat8 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 no, its people who don't actually "get" what a melody is. they have a rough understanding of it. you can make melody out of banging pots and pans in your kitchen cupboard. lol, I think its more you who dont get what people mean when they say that autechre has no melodies. Its arguable to say that autechre has very little melodic elements. k, now you're switching to "very little melodic elements" when originally the gripe was no melody at all. i'd agree with the sparse melodic elements aspect. Ive never said that autechre has no melodic content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOS Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 maybe, just maybe, if theres so much people saying that autechre has no melodies, maybe its because there's some truth in that statement? Ive never said that autechre has no melodic content. Not trying to knock you, but perhaps make an effort to explain to the rest what your stance is exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhylumZunami Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 maybe, just maybe, if theres so much people saying that autechre has no melodies, maybe its because there's some truth in that statement? Ive never said that autechre has no melodic content. Not trying to knock you, but perhaps make an effort to explain to the rest what your stance is exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest murphythecat8 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 maybe, just maybe, if theres so much people saying that autechre has no melodies, maybe its because there's some truth in that statement? Ive never said that autechre has no melodic content. Not trying to knock you, but perhaps make an effort to explain to the rest what your stance is exactly. I love autechre :) even though theres very little melodic content compared to the rest of music I listen to. I can find however, even in their percussion work, some sort of melodies. Of course theres melodies in autechre! Besides a couple of noise album, I generally dont care at all ambient-noise and all that ben Frost vague. I'm listening right now to paul motian- I have the room above her for example, so that may explain my taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxus Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Pitched percussion is the best. I'm also a big fan of suggested-but-not-fully-realized melodies. Both feature heavily in the chre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 ghost notes ftw I also like in my music, using modular tricks to trigger shit in a way that is musical but not necessarily melodic? Like weird arrpeggios driven by some unknown mechanism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Iannis Xenakis isn't a band, but the man sure has (had) a way with a non-melody. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTlKINcSTBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghOsty Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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azatoth Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 WATMM is up its own ass sometimes... That's because WATMM is collectively somewhere on the spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 WATMM is up its own ass sometimes... WATMM complaining about WATMM complaining about threads complaining about threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amen Lare Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 What we perceive as melody is heavily tied up to the idea of tonality. When electronic music was born some pioneers were against this system and saw electronic music as a way to sever ties with synthetic Western notion of hearing. Ironic how we argue about the necessity of melody in Autechre a century later. Is Indonesian gamelan music melodic? Any questions regarding melody that begins with "bands" is far removed from any substantial consideration of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I'm pretty sure everyone's mind has been trained on mostly western musical ideas and for many, the IDMz was the first gateway to some other things. Confield is just a world music compilation? No but sorta. Alien world music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Confield is just a world music compilation?Kinda agree with that, seems very eastern influenced in terms of scale & tuning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purlieu Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Meanwhile, in the original post... Autechre, particularly this century, have created music in which distinct melody and harmony do not seem to be the focus. Rhythm and texture tend to be the main elements of the music, and although there are definite tonal aspects, these seem to be more sparse and possibly more abstract than found in their earlier work (for example, tracks like 444, Slip, Rae, Pir, etc.) This focus on 'sound' rather than more traditional 'tune' is symptomatic of a lot of modern IDM, as well as various other electronic sub-genres such as minimal techno, gabber, noise, drone and so on. In all of these cases, western tonality is considered normal/traditional, as in western society, this is the type of music we are exposed to for the most part, particularly in being introduced to music. From the perspective of someone who enjoys rich, melodic and harmonic music - particularly in the context of western music - what is it about music which emphasises texture, rhythm, and alternative tonal perspectives that appeals to you - or, potentially, doesn't? Are rich melodies and heart-wrenching chord changes the main focus of your musical enjoyment, or do you prefer more challenging aspects, and if so, can you perhaps explain what it is about them you enjoy so much, to enlighten one who has a slightly more romantic perspective on music? I think that's what he meant, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhylumZunami Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 i don't think its possible to have a song that lacks melody unless its pure silence which I'm sure is something people would actually pay for HAHA!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This focus on 'sound' rather than more traditional 'tune' is symptomatic of a lot of modern IDM That's an interesting point - actually I think 'IDM' is often way more about sound than either intelligence or dancing I think sound can evoke feelings other than what can be evoked with melody Actually rhythm is a big focus too isn't it - and rhythm can evoke emotion They say that rhythm is the soul of music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhylumZunami Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Dj SquarePush - Twerk Sessions 06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WNS000 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I don't know of a single composition of two or more distinct sounds that does not have melody of some kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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