Push 2 and Live 9.5 (EDIT: Out now !)

[mcbpete]

Don't think so - operational wise the only real 'changes' are build improvements: It's apparently much better to play the pads, the lights now have a better colour response, the button layout has changed a bit, and the addition of the improved hi-def colour screen which allows you to see extra stuff on the selected device

 

In terms of being a controller for external gear think it'd be pretty much exactly the same.

[TRiP]

Don't think so - operational wise the only real 'changes' are build improvements: It's apparently much better to play the pads, the lights now have a better colour response, the button layout has changed a bit, and the addition of the improved hi-def colour screen which allows you to see extra stuff on the selected device

 

In terms of being a controller for external gear think it'd be pretty much exactly the same.

 

just what i wanted to hear

 

picking up a Push 1 for €300 yo yos later today - includes a hard-case dust cover and a metal anodized stand

[misc]

Sounds like you're trying to upgrade to something 'above' Ableton Suite (of which there is no such thing!). Log in to your account on the Ableton site and under the account page you should find a drop down menu selecting your OS of the version of Ableton 9.5 you want to download

 

 

 

So how do you upgrade to 9.5? It's saying "suite 9 can't be upgraded any further" but i'm still on 9.2.3

 

same way you upgraded to 9.2.3 it's in your account already. free update.

 

 

ye got it now, literally bought ableton a couple weeks ago so not familiar with how the updates work. Cheers

[mcbpete]

Got a bit excited about today's delivery

 

[Danny O Flannagin]

So is this a good time to buy ableton or should i wait another year or so when Ableton 10 comes out? How do upgrades usually work pricing wise? Another couple hundred dollars to upgrade to 10?

 

I can get the student discount for another couple years

[auxien]

So is this a good time to buy ableton or should i wait another year or so when Ableton 10 comes out? How do upgrades usually work pricing wise? Another couple hundred dollars to upgrade to 10?

 

I can get the student discount for another couple years

It's hard to say when 10 will be released; given they made a thing of 9.5/Push 2 coming out now, it'll be at least a year before 10 is likely. But at any point after that we could see an upgrade. Wikipedia says Live 9 came out in March of 2013 and Live 8 was in 2009. So, approximately 4 years between the most recent full versions, even with a bit of a curveball in this Live 9.5/Push 2 thing, I'd guess we're looking to at least 2017 before Live 10 is released. By then they may try something totally different with the Push or Live software; a subscription service could be in the cards for Live (unlikely, but I'm just thinking out loud), or a more integrated version of Push with a soundcard or audio adapters (these were rumored before Push 2) or who knows what along with...Ableton seem to be pretty ahead of a curve, and if they stay that way it's hard to predict what's ahead.

 

I would say you'd be safe buying Live now though; they sometimes run a sale in Spring, but that may not be able to be combined with your education discount.

[b born droid]

yes. i haven't found 'spread' but i haven't looked yet

Housed in the 'controls' section under the pitch envelope incase you've missed it.

[YEK]

just wondering if i should consider using the PUSH

 

i don't use vst instruments , i record audio into my clips.

 

i'd be using the push to play clips, i'd also use it to record drums.

 

and add effects i guess i don't know if it can do that

 

or should i just buy an apc 40 ?

[b born droid]

Not sure how Push 2 deals with audio inside clips. Push 1 is a bit limited with that. Don't know if/how they've updated that.

 

You can add effects with Push very easily. I also find the drum sequencer on the Push very nice. Love the way I can do step automation, very easy to add and paste cells within the drum rack. If you use drum rack a lot, I would recommend Push for sure.

[logakght]

So is this a good time to buy ableton or should i wait another year or so when Ableton 10 comes out? How do upgrades usually work pricing wise? Another couple hundred dollars to upgrade to 10?

 

I can get the student discount for another couple years

 

are you buying the complete suite? it's my dream <3

[mcbpete]

Not sure how Push 2 deals with audio inside clips. Push 1 is a bit limited with that. Don't know if/how they've updated that.

Very darn well -

 

[Danny O Flannagin]

 

So is this a good time to buy ableton or should i wait another year or so when Ableton 10 comes out? How do upgrades usually work pricing wise? Another couple hundred dollars to upgrade to 10?

 

I can get the student discount for another couple years

 

are you buying the complete suite? it's my dream <3

 

Yee, ableton's my daw 4 life

[b born droid]

 

Not sure how Push 2 deals with audio inside clips. Push 1 is a bit limited with that. Don't know if/how they've updated that.

Very darn well -

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0jn9s0ZLd8

Well fuck you, I'd been happy with the changes to Push 1, but having seen that I'm now seeing how great Push 2 is and I want one damnit!

[mcbpete]

Soz

[b born droid]

Most 'impressive' thing was the realtime display as it was recording, that was very nice, and how easy it was to convert it. I always thought it was great how little you needed to touch the laptop with the Push but that seems to take it to another level.

[b born droid]

So tonight I went to an ableton meet in Berlin which had the developers from Ableton Link doing a demonstration and chatting a bit about it all, plus one of (if not THE guy from) Audio Bus, and some other guys who've developed apps based off this technology. It genuinely looks awesome, the sync is fucking incredibly tight, I can see how this opens up a whole new world, they really wanted to impress that this was a technology rather than trying to get everyone onto ableton gear. I can totally see how this works in real world, live environment, for jamming, creating a doing live work. Would totally recommend everyone trying to get on board with this if you need to sync anything digital, and it seems to integrate with analogue gear well too. Seems like the days of master and slave could be over

 

Gesendet von meinem SM-G901F mit Tapatalk

[logakght]

Gee, the first thing I'll buy when I get the money off my kidney is an uncracked Live and Push :)

[juiceciuj]

yeah so i got bit by the whole hardware bug bad the last couple of years but it's all such a pain to get connected and talking to each other that getting back into the box looks much more appealing. i was always way more productive when i was just using a daw+one midi controller.

 

could easily sell my gear and get an upgraded pc+ableton & push and still have money left over.

 

would be converting as a decade old fl user though. mainly wondering how well ableton handles vsts? the ease of drum editing and vst compatibility has always been one of my fav things about fl. but the native implementation of push w/ableton is really sexy

 

any fl->ableton converts? is it a hard jump to make?

[mcbpete]

v9.6 out today. Beast of a changelog:

 

 

Improvements and feature changes:

 

Introduced Link, a technology which keeps devices in sync when connected to the same network. A 'Link' section has been added to the Link/MIDI preferences tab.

Link and The Bridge prevent each other from starting once switched on. Moreover, Link and The Bridge both switch off External sync when activated.

Link, The Bridge and External Sync are not available when Live runs as a ReWire slave.

The Python framework has been updated to support Python 2.7.

Added control surface support for the Arturia KeyLab series, Arturia BeatStep and Arturia MiniLab.

Added Control Surface support for the Alesis VX series.

When tweaking Warp mode specific parameters in Simpler (i.e. grain size, flux), these are now updated in real time. Previously, these would be only updated on a per-note basis.

Improved the time required to slice an audio sample to a Drum Rack.

Slicing visualization improvements and other minor cosmetic tweaks for Simpler and Sampler.

While samples are offline or still decoding, Slice to Drum Rack and Slice to new Midi Track from Simpler are disabled.

Add a preference to re-enable random clip colors.

Updated fonts and added a number of special characters.

The Live 8 Legacy Mode in Operator has been renamed to something more meaningful.

Performance improvements in waveform rendering.

 

Bugfixes:

 

Recovering Live sets after a crash would not succeed under certain circumstances.

Live could hang at launch while displaying the splash screen on Windows 10.

Live would crash on OSX 10.11 when a user closed the second window while it was shown in fullscreen mode.

Tracks created by dragging and dropping a Rack or Rack preset will now correctly be assigned with a new track color.

Live might become unresponsive on OSX if no Max application could be found. Furthermore, Live would not find Max 7 on its own on Windows.

Live could hang when loading sets referencing Max devices, if these were saved with Max 6.1.7 or earlier.

Audio files would not retain the color saved in the respective .asd file when dropped into a track.

Replaced one redundant color in the Live color sequence.

Simpler would cause an unusual high memory usage if the user had set 'Complex' as the default mode for Warping.

Live would crash when converting a sliced Simpler to a Drum Rack from within an Instrument Rack.

Live would crash when cropping samples in Sampler.

A crash could take place when playing back sliced samples in Simpler, if 'Snap' had previously been activated in Classic or One-Shot mode.

A crash could occur when dragging the Start Marker to the very end of a file in Simpler and playing back a warped, looped sample with 'Snap' active.

Live could crash when playing back warped samples in Simpler. The crash would occur when a new note began playing at the exact same time that another playing note was ending, if that also choked or retriggered the previous note.

When slicing an audio Clip to a Sampler based slicing preset, all slices would be assigned to the same root note.

Simpler's playhead could jump unexpectedly when starting the transport while playing back warped samples.

Dragging a selection of an arrangement clip into Simpler now sets the start and end flags according to the selection.

Snap is automatically disabled when slicing a Simpler to a Drum Rack. This ensures that the sound of playback does not change after slicing a Simpler to a Drum Rack.

Changing Simpler's playback mode via the keyboard would not be undoable.

When dragging the Simpler start flag towards the end of the sample, this would overlap with the End flag, which then could not be clicked nor dragged anymore. The same behavior occurred the other way around (the End flag might have covered the Start flag).

The text in the Simpler 'Warp As' button would not be displayed properly when running Live in a language other than English.

Fixes a crash which might happen in conjunction with Complex / Pro modes.

Improved the CPU performance of Complex and Pro when playing back short loops. Note that while Clip loops are limited to at least 1/16 note in length, simpler loops can be as small as 50 samples.

Reduced audible artifacts and improved timing for samples warped with Complex and Complex Pro.

The OSR filter might produce unwanted artefacts when used with high frequency and resonance settings.

The modulation destinations for the new legacy filters in Simpler and Operator are now hidden and updated correctly when upgrading a device.

The spread pitch control is now disabled if Simpler is using Re-Pitch as warping mode.

 

Changes for Push:

 

It is now possible to toggle the Global Record button via Push by holding Shift and pressing the Session Record button.

‘Mute', 'Solo' and 'Stop Clip' can be locked by holding the respective button. This enables muting tracks, bypassing devices, soloing tracks and stopping Clips with one single button press. To select tracks and devices even while locked mute/solo/stop mode is active, it is now necessary to hold the select button.

Improved encoder responsiveness when selecting a parameter through a list on Push 2.

Improved the Push initialization process when the unit is power cycled while Live is open.

Push 2 Firmware updated to v1.0 build 47. This fixes a problem where the hardware would sometimes fail to initialize on Windows. This Firmware update is also intended to mitigate unexpected high velocity values which might be triggered when Push pads are played softly. This is an intermediate step towards a proper fix. Please note that, depending on your pad sensitivity settings, it might now be more difficult to reach maximum velocity.

It is now possible to load and hotswap samples in audio tracks on Push 2. This is achieved by first entering Clip mode.

Sample names are now displayed in the browser while hotswapping.

When Simpler is in 64 pad slicing mode, the touch strip can work as Pitch Bend or Modulation Wheel.

Scales mode can now act as a momentary toggle if held. Furthermore, it is now possible to browse Scales also with the up/down and left/right arrows.

When an empty drum pad is selected, 'Add Device' will work like the 'Browse' button, thus it will not prompt the user to swap the entire Drum Rack anymore but rather will enable to load a device or sample inside the pad.

After converting an audio Clip to a Simpler from Push 2, device mode will be selected automatically.

Added a 12/24 dB button (filter slope) to Auto Filter, Operator and Sampler for Push 2.

When adding a new device to a previously selected pad, the added device will now always be selected.

Live would crash when converting a Clip to Simpler, if the device default for Dropping Samples on Device View consisted of a Simpler instance inside an Instrument Rack.

When loading a sample from the browser, Simpler's "Mode" would be displayed as "Classic" on Push 2, regardless of the default for "Dropping Samples on Device View".

When converting between Simpler and Sampler, Push 2 would lose device selection.

Under certain conditions, the waveform in Simpler flickered on display when zooming in on longer samples.

When zoomed out on a long sample, it is now possible to see an indication of the existing slices on the Push 2 display.

Under certain circumstances the Push pads would not reflect the selected slice when using a sliced Simpler.

Mute and Solo would not work on Push 2 if the currently selected track was outside the Session Ring.

When moving a channel towards the left while in 'Mix' mode, its channel meter would stop working on Push2.

When renaming a macro inside a Rack, the changes would not be immediately reflected on Push 1 and Push 2's display.

Introduced a short delay before showing the tempo/swing message when touching the encoders, to reduce the amount of notifications.

Push would keep showing the loop selector in sequencer mode after deleting a Clip.

The display could get stuck in User mode on Push 2. Additionally, it is now possible to momentarily enter User mode by holding the respective button.

The color mapping for Push 2's step sequencers has been improved, to better reflect different velocity ranges.

The Arrow Keys would stop working after switching between note and session mode while using the Push 2 browser.

Selecting a scene in Live would cause Clip selection from Push not to work anymore.

When hotswapping an instrument, browser selection could disappear when scrolling up/down with the Push 2 arrows.

No auto preview was available for the currently selected item when navigating to a list using an encoder.

Under certain circumstances pressing 'Add Track' and loading a new device would swap the instrument residing in the currently selected track instead.

After using 'Collect All and Save', Simpler instances would fail to display a waveform due to the changed file path.

Improved waveform rendering when switching through tracks and selecting Drum Pads.

When holding the mute/solo button, muted/soloed tracks would display their original color on the display: these now correctly display the muted/soloed state.

Previously, Push 2 would only show the left channel for stereo waveforms. As of now, the sum of both channels is shown.

Fixed a few visual inconsistencies for Push 2, where the On/Off icons might be missing for some devices and the Sawtooth waveform orientation was be inverted with respect to the one shown in Live's device choosers.

When trying to change the Start/End parameter on an empty Simpler, the parameter would stop updating its state on the Push 1 display even after adding a sample.

On Push 1, plugin parameter names would not update correctly anymore if these change dynamically e.g. when loading a new preset. In addition, Push 2 now also updates such plugin parameter names dynamically.

Push 1 can now utilize custom device banks for Simpler.

Dynamic parameter banks are in place for Push 1 as well. Parameters that don't have an effect due to some other parameter being disabled will now be hidden. In addition, Simpler, Sampler, Operator and Auto Filter now have the 'Filter Slope' parameter in their banks.

Added control for further Simpler parameters on Push 1: Warp mode, Warp On/Off, Voices, Gain.

The encoder resolution for Push 1 was significantly different as of Live 9.5 when compared to previous versions. This has now been rectified.

Fractions were not shown correctly for Simpler on the Push1 display.

Quantized parameters were not displayed correctly on Push1's bar graph.

 

[Silent Member]

Good to see they haven't abandoned the original push.

[ignatius]

downloading the update now. nice nice :) no push 1 or 2 but glad for the other stuff.. max for live devices are really through the roof. so much amazing stuff.

[juiceciuj]

ableton uber n00bl4r here but is there any way for me to add multiple vst directories? most of mine are in the same place but when i installed the new version of overbridge it was in a dumb directory so i added it and then all my other plugins dissapeared =\

[mcbpete]

Not natively, but there's a funky third party workaround - http://www.familiekraft.de/PluginManager/

 

I'd personally recommend just moving them to the same place though - Are you on PC ? If so see if you can just copy the .dll from the 'dumb' Overbridge VST directory to the regular one. Sometimes it'll work just dragging and dropping like that as either the plugin itself is a self contained file or just points to a main application stored somewhere in your program files directory anyway.

[juiceciuj]

what a dumb fucking thing tho, right?

 

what were they expecting? me to be organized?

 

thx for confirming. i'll have a look at the workaround (but more than likely just organize my vsts)

[Silent Member]

I think you can add a shortcut to your other vst directory in your main vst directory and cheese it that way.