may be rude

on to 2024. early is power in info war. influence is a cone florida man isn't worth the attention he gets. there's a weird feedback loop that news outlets do where they report on what people think, making more people think that, and repeat. then that's the story and the news is like "oh no everyone thinks this you guys" like the monty python skit this is. that's my take on that dude. flying migrants from texas to martha's vineyard as a stunt demonstrates the level of his intellect.

kherson set to be a key battle. russians now pushed way back from kharkhiv

no worries. i like a debate. deceit is a powerful tool, and the internet was just a huge multiplier for it. we're at a point of social evolution because information flows transformed radically over 15 years. there's a run on people's minds. people need to keep an eye on each other and we will emerge out the other side. big election tomorrow. vote.org to find your voting location and check registration

there are the state attorney general state sec of state governor positions that trump has marshalled trumpist candidates for, paving the way for a worse coup attempt in 2024. kari lake, in az, as you mention, is pure trump fascism and venemous election deceit and then there's a gop house impeaching biden because they can over ice cream or something but wait, there's more. trump has ensured that he will be indicted by doj, by stealing state secrets and refusing to give them back. what does a gop house do in response? impeach garland? defund doj? attacking doj is profoundly dangerous, as in: last stop before fascism. we know from jeffrey berman's book that trump administration was heavily influencing improper activity within doj. very very scary stuff and then there's: if people want trump to pay for his attack on the US, they should help dems keep the house. the jan 6 committee subpoenaed trump and doj has demonstrated its willingness to enforce congressional subpoenas with prison time. see: bannon. if the jan 6 committee continues then i have reason to think trump could face trial for not only espionage but also sedition. www.vote.org

^ unfortunate. season 4 was the best since season 1, if not better. there's a petition and nolan/joy are trying to get hbo to change their mind https://www.change.org/p/hbo-to-renew-westworld-for-a-5th-and-final-season

you inaccurately described electoral activism in a negative way. you described it as pointless and the participants being wrong and naive to try to do anything. no problem. i use strong medicine because we're in a state of info war so i hope you appreciate i didn't mean ill will toward you. they are and they do more voters will turn out in a town that is well canvased. if the difference is 1% or 5% then you may consider that little but 1% is often the margin in elections. and all those 1%s add up to more. this is the electoral battle. canvasing is statistically the most effective. i like it so that's what i do. put yourself in front of people and you will find, if they answer the door, they are interested to talk. in terms of other avenues, sure. i bet discord chatter moves a lot of people's opinions. similarly to some extent tweets or watmm posts may result in changing the way some people think about some things. plenty of room for innovation. different campaigns embrace innovative approaches to different degrees. but as a citizen anyone is welcome to raise awareness about things they consider important however they want. the more you follow the story of current events the more you get to know the characters and eventually you will find those that you like. i'm aware of multiple house reps, governors, senators, etc who i consider excellent people. i'm a big biden and obama fan, for example. they are real public servants. nice, man. stay thoughtful like that. the info space is flooded and we are evolving a new social system for helping to guide each other toward accurate info. click bait is the temptation that too many outlets fall prey to and consumers are responsible to force good journalism by supporting the good and calling out the bad. i am now noticing you hail from texas so i get your perspective more easily now. in rightist ecosystems they try to make the left seem just as bad. this is the grand strategy. they immediately and preemptively deploy mirror messaging that accuses the dems of whatever the right could be called out for. fox news 24 hours a day works to spread misinformation about the left. the gop works in a symbiotic way with rightist media to reinforce such narratives, and the result is that people think both sides are fucked. i can tell you that this is a strategy whereby the right deceives people to think the left is rather nefarious when in fact it is manufactured crap. this is how the right can win when they have devolved into a husk that caters to the rich and mega corporations while holding power through engineered and manipulative narratives. sure and some resist the tendency to degrade better than others. conscience is real and morality is inherent. most people have some goodness and some people are exceptionally moral. there's no non-politician politician. it's kind of a funny trick if anyone claims to not be a politician while running for office. they have statistics in their head about their voting base and the segments of voters and what messages they want to get out etc. it makes it hard for people to get a sense of the real person from the messaging. but i think that's just how it has to be, by the nature of it. better officials are good at speaking more plainly. obama and biden are good at it. another reason why they talk that way is that they are professionals in the field of public policy so you will get a geeky answer from a geek. so the lingo has that politician feel as a result of multiple things: they are cagey about losing voters, motivated to hit their messaging points, and also they try to communicate information that is accurately representing the intricacies of public policy, which is often too in-the-weeds for people to process and their eyes glaze over. another reason activism is needed, to help people understand what is going on..

they're victims of deceit. i think it's dangerous to spread ideas like people being lost causes unfortunately, for many victims of deceit, it truly will be quite the difficult endeavor to unfuck their minds. i think we have never been in this place before, with regard to the exact type of brainwashing that has been deployed at scale. it's the zombie apocalypse here you make a sweeping generalization that we both know is not precisely accurate. some people can be persuaded to change how they would cast a vote. it may be around 1% but it is not 0 people. also, demobilizing the right helps and can occur, which is not a full persuasion conversion but it is a degree of impact that can be significant. also, you may be missing that GOTV events provide a list of specific people to contact with known party affiliation and other data on them. we are not randomly approaching anyone. we're mobilizing dems i have to point out the generalization again. but yeah many people would be difficult to persuade, unfortunately. not because they have good or accurate reasoning, just because their minds are the target these days and the assault is massive you did come out rather insulting and casting negative aspersions on an activity that is not only appropriate and positive but actually direly needed. i'm not upset i'm just addressing your points wihch were in many places off-base, and i wanted to clarify. yeah no i get that and i appreciate the discussion. people don't appreciate what's going on. info is invisible so we don't realize the massive shift in the environment. it's as though the sky transformed into something else, over the last 20 years. the flood is really fucking things. we are forced to create a new way for people to be informed. i hope it doesn't take a hundred years the sweeping generalizations are not healthy. the most virtuous person you ever met in your life could run for office and win. some elected officials are similarly virtuous. i will grant you that they will always be politicians, by definition. but that's a tautological argument. they are going to be accustomed to talking their way around to the talking points they want to hit, and talking their way out of talking points they don't want to talk about. so that is one of the things that makes it hard for people to figure out what's going on. the messaging always has that aspect to it. but that's just the nature of the domain. and that does not mean that "everything is lies" which frankly is ridiculous and childish. that is the lie, spreading that idea...

at this point it's more about mobilization than persuasion. making sure people actually show up and vote. weird characterization. activists are individuals operating on the world. in ways it's the opposite of group thinking. each activist is working to push for the change they want. raising awareness is often the thing that's needed, and this is where people cold calling or knocking can achieve impact. if you live in a town and canvased weekly for a year you would have spoken with much of the town. that's how many people get started and run for office. by event i meant an organizer running a phone bank or something, just to be clear. like i said, at this point it's more about mobilization. but yeah persuasion can occur, yes. it's as easy as mentioning information. the thing is that we all have different information. it's all flooded and fucked. so yeah just telling people some things you think are important can make an impression on them. of course many people haven't made up their minds! are you kidding? sure i get how some could say people have made up their minds but i call bullshit on that. it's all so complex that no one even knows what's going on. people know that they don't know something for sure, if they are really being honest with themselves. so, i know that people are able to be interested in what is reality. again, weird characterization and i'm not sure what kind of event you're imagining. i'm talking about stuff like phone banks or canvases or whatever the fuck. go talk to people on discord. no you don't really know what you're talking about. click the link mobilize.us see above regarding mobilization and it being possible to inform people of stuff they will find interesting when doing persuasion i guess millions of activists have it wrong and there's no reason to do anything or raise awareness or communicate about things you think are important related to collective self-governance heh. again, just making the difference between that 20% of people who were gonna say "fuck it" on election day and not show up actually just being 10% of people saying "fuck it" that's 10% swing in your vote tally. so yeah mobilization is huge right now. they call it get out the vote

anyone living in a US state and wanting to help, www.mobilize.us is where you can search for official campaign events for action in your area, where you can help people understand their choices and get ready to vote. the house is the game. dems need to keep the house. gop doesn't know how to fix inflation, they caused it with their shitshow of a covid response. biden entered office with a country driven into the ground. similar to the handoff from bush to obama: global economic freefall, caused by republican policies.

truth exists. i don't totally trust anyone. i resolve discrepancies and figure out what's real. some elected officials are better than others and right now the difference is enormous and the worse side is out there trying to make people think it's all the same. you're hijacked, spreading that shit

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it will be important that people act correctly. we're already in a period of political violence. trump apparently is forcing doj to indict him by continuing to not return some documents. and he will dog whistle call for violence (already has). very unfortunate and unnecessary. trump killed ashley babbit.

some political topics have some subjective opinion involved but for many there is objective fact. also this election is not about classic topics like social security. this is about preserving the democracy. inconvenient truths are disputed by those they are inconvenient for. that doesn't make everything opinion.

turns out the final frontier is hearts and minds

oh, i think i know what you mean. society needs to focus more on debate. getting both sides next to each other and resolving the discrepancies. definitely. bubbles are a feature of the new info space. there are people who engage, cross-silo. i'm out here, doing it. plenty of activists going around doing persuasion, this october. also, not everyone is fervently sure they're right. actually that's a key thing. people know when they don't know. even these victims of organized gaslighting. some snap and go on mass shootings. they feel the disconnect in their soul, even if the brainwashing is of cutting-edge sophistication. they know they don't know. i know i know. there are many things that are just clear to me and about which i am certain, regarding politics. so i actually have direct and definite experience of being certain and being able to perceive that the other side is not. the right is utterly swarmed with malicious deception right now. the victims know they don't know. the bullshitters know they don't know (or know they're lying). what the deceived may be driven by is actually not certainty but cynicism. they're told it's all lies and everyone lies and it doesn't matter, and that enables them to be frivolous and to pass along narratives they have not verified.

wow, poetic. hey, truth exists. if people disagree then maybe someone is wrong? just throwing that out there

politics is mostly blowing smoke up constituents ass. say whatever the fuck to get elected, then make up excuses when the shit doesn't play out because of blockading from the other side. look what politics has been whittled down to in this country. we have one party that has drank the bat shit kool aid, and is no longer a viable option for any sane individual. so then we have the other party, the dems, which are now looked at as the harvey dent white knights of the land, and they don't seem to have their shit together. so there really isn't any option to truly vote for what most individuals want, like the peaceful harmonious shit most of us know is necessary to survive as a species. just fight one side vs. the other, and it goes nowhere. believe what you want, but humans truly suck at leading other humans. that's why its best just to tune it all out, and listen to only yourself. listening to these fuck nuts is what gets everyone all messed up to begin with. the difference between the parties, in reality, could not be more stark. for one party, roughly most of the members in congress participated in helping a tyrant attempt to deal a fatal blow to american freedom. this is fascism. this is power for power's sake, by any means. you say the dems "don't seem to have their shit together" and so you don't know who to vote for or don't see the difference? i have to tell you that you are not getting good information. i recommend AP News and CBC World News. these dems who you think don't seem to have their shit together are the ones who made the difference in whether or not america now is a fascist dystopia. they saved it. they had their shit together enough to do that, and i could go on with positive things they do. however, there is tons of information noise, which really does a pretty good job of preventing people from getting in touch with reality. would you be surprised to learn that deceptive tricks are played on people to mislead them about dems? would you be surprised to learn that in the last 10-15 years, as a result of the shift to the internet, people are falling for deceptive narratives at a concerning level, these days? because that's the case. people believe a lot of junk about the dems that is inaccurate. so, if someone gripes about dems to you, don't just assume they know what they're talking about. it's not unlikley that they are believing manufactured narratives intended to sour them on voting for dems. proportionality is the crux. this is how deceivers get people. the big picture is so big that 99% of people don't have it. there are always narratives that can be used to bend someone's ear. some operators are good at just flooding lists of misleading blurbs that lead people to an intended conclusion simply by curating a selection of plausible suggestions. 2 maybes does not equal one definite. This is the vulnerability. You can list 50 curated maybes in front of someone, selected to produce an intended sentiment in that person. it works. even when it's a lot of bs. honestly that's the only thing preventing 80% of voters from voting dem. bullshit. there's no reason to vote for the gop at the national level in the US in 2022. none. and there are extremely dire reasons to vote blue. if everyone were magically informed accurately about everything, the gop would have like 5% of seats in congress

it sounds like a windowlicker sequel, and you know he would do another windowlicker with a burner name. it even has windowlicker sounds

ignoring politics is what they want you to do

putin probably wants to grind the army down to nothing so the collapse he plans to flee from won't have a force that can keep order and will be as chaotic as possible

vote blue please, because fascism sucks

by the way i think exitonly's theory is the most interesting and probably right

a lot of things can be found in history. let's put that in perspective. right now world leaders are anxiously working to prevent world war 3, the aggression for which has come from russia. the narrative of us involvement in the oil line bomb is divorced from reality and only lands for the uninformed. the nature of war is uncontrollability and no one knows that better than national security professionals. in the modern age and involving the nations being discussed, a major conflict literally risks civilization as we know it. this internet narrative makes no sense. oh, hey coincidence, it scapegoats the US just like the russian disinfo currently surging through the internet

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