Veganism in General Banter Posted March 27, 2019 lol at debating the ethics of veganism. just don't fucking hurt or kill other beings that want to live and not feel pain. is that really something that needs some in depth analysis? I would say there's a lot of gray area here when it comes to animal rights vs human needs. If you think that killing animals for food is not ok even though it might be more ecological in some cases then fine. How about killing insects or parasites to prevent diseases? Is that ok? How about if the diseases caused by the said creatures didn't actually hurt humans but some other species? Would you rather kill the insect with the lower cognition than let the disease spread to a mammal? If you say "ok fine, it's ok to kill insects for a survival of higher species" then how about a scenario where there's a high fatality disease spread by rats, like the black death of the olden days? Rats are pretty intelligent and probably have emotions. Would it be ok to wipe out the rat population to prevent a pandemic that would maybe kill thousands or more people? I don't think the question is so simple that "just don't kill or hurt anything". how is protecting yourself/others from harm a counter argument to veganism exactly? if a bear is going to maul you and you have no chance of escaping, then yeah, you can hurt him to in order to stop him from killing you. same logic applies to your other examples, they are more complicated technically, not ethically.