Jump to content

LimpyLoo

Members
 View Profile  See their activity

  • Posts

    10,484

  • Joined

  • Days Won

    2

 Content Type 

Everything posted by LimpyLoo

  1. LimpyLoo
    That sounds reasonable!
  2. LimpyLoo

    Now Reading

    LimpyLoo replied to a topic in General Banter

    Chaos by James Gleick The Raga Guide lollol But Keanu is a total delight, isn't he? *spends actual time making meme to ridicule Keanu*
  3. LimpyLoo
    Or what if we were to learn that science and religion are after the same thing And that tribes have 'behavioral immune systems' So if you say "alright Creationists, you fucking idiots, time to discard your superstition and embrace Evolution", then: a) if they don't respond well, it's because they're fucking idiots and we need to shout at them louder b) if they act tribalistically in order to protect their religion against those who think it's superstition, then that's a fucking mystery, innit! c) if they look like you've just presented them with a complete non-sequitur (e.g. "discard boxer-briefs and embrace thin-crust pizza"), then again, it's because they're fucking idiots d) whatever you do, don't try to understand them and reason with them...they are sub-human, and immune to logic TL;DR = everyone's a fucking idiot, so you just need to shout louder
  4. LimpyLoo
    Why aren't things awesome? Well, obviously it wasn't because the people of the recent past chose shitty short-term solutions for the ever-recurring problems of civilization (which they treated as short-term problems, not long-term). (I always appreciate the condescension and cynicism, though.)
  5. LimpyLoo
    @Candiru
  6. LimpyLoo
    lol Now obviously we shout the truth at them condescendingly And when they (somehow) don't take our word for it We call them idiots for not seeing the truth And then we create memes about how stupid they are And rant on social media about how stupid they are Because hey, I tried to shame them into agreeing with me And they didn't take my word for it (Because they're idiots obviously) What more can I possibly do?
  7. LimpyLoo
    Everybody wants the world to be awesome But nobody thinks that entails looking in the mirror So they talk about short-term strategies for toppling Trump And they scoff at the idea of acting how they want the world to act towards them ("because mate, we need a quick-and-dirty right-now solution for Trump, not some stable long-term systemic solution like you're advocating for") When does 'political activism' become 'tribalism'? How about this: The gates are being stormed! The gates are being stormed! Do whatever it takes to defeat the barbarians! Has anyone else noticed that the gates are always being stormed? Well, maybe things are shitty because people use 'the gates are being stormed" as an excuse to do whatever they want in pursuit of their political agenda Because lucky me, I'm now morally justified to use any means necessary to protect the tribe...
  8. LimpyLoo
    P.S. You're saying "whatever it takes to stop Trump...good faith, bad faith, whatever it takes to implement our agenda" Yeah well...that's the logic that drives the very 'tribalism' you're complaining about (So yes you're advocating 'tribalism')
  9. LimpyLoo
    I don't understand how you're reading that stuff out of my posts.Let me make it crystal clear: I like sincerity and good faith, but I don't think sincerity and good faith are going to fucking work on Trump et al. It did not work during the campaign and it's not working now, at least not on the people currently running the White House. It might work on regular people who feel that Trump is their only way forward, but since he has wound them up emotionally and keeps doing so, it's going to be really hard to get them to change. And I'm not using the word "rational" in the way you think I am. My point is that if people are riled up emotionally - angry, afraid, etc. - then they're acting less rationally and making decisions in the heat of the moment without thinking. I want to put sincerity and good faith into the system, but what I am saying is that Trump has and is currently putting industrial quantities of BAD faith in the system. I don't get how I'm the one somehow advocating tribalism here. You're saying we need a 'short-term solution' for dealing with Trump?(And my proposed 'long-term solution' isn't gonna work on this short-term problem?) "It didn't work during the campaign" Were people being sincere and honest during the campaign? I must've missed the part where the political debate in the U.S. tried actual sincerity and actual good faith...and it failed (Hillary is totally sincere and totally acts in good faith, btw)
  10. LimpyLoo
  11. LimpyLoo
    @thawkins 1) So in short: we should (as we always do) forgo long-term solutions for short-term solutions? And then in 4-8 years scramble for some new short-term solutions? And then... Maybe one day we can entertain some more broad-scale 'macro' ideas But since our current problems are immediate 'micro' problems We need immediate 'micro' solutions... 2) I mean, you don't need to deceive/manipulate people into buying iPhones(IPhones are--by design--inherently useful to humans; we don't buy them merely because we're sheeple) And you don't need to deceive/manipulate people into acting to protect their body (which is what fascism boils down to: remove all the things in the environment that might damage my body, regardless the cost to others) 3) re: conceding flaws and good faith I must be overly optimistic about humanity Because my thinking is that sincerity and good faith are good strategies regardless of what your opponent thinks of them If you think Trump's "concede no weakness whatsoever" is a better strategy Then well yes I disagree with you Ever seen that strange-ass film "Bullworth"? Well, how do you beat/undermine a politician who is literally upfront about everything? Who isn't hiding skeletons and insecurities and vulnerabilities? Who volunteers the unsavory aspects of his past (that most politicians would scramble to hide)? Well, to me that looks exactly like a stable long-term strategy/solution Instead of this "hey, we should out-Machiavelli Machiavelli" game that people really like to play when the stakes are high-ish But again, we can have this conversation again in 4-8 years or whenever And we can decide on these same short-term solutions then too (And who knows: maybe this time they'll work...)
  12. LimpyLoo
    Larry O'Stab (Irish neo-krautrock sensation)
  13. LimpyLoo
    Robbie and his sister, Glenn Greenwald, Noam Chomsky etc etc. What was your response to them? What is my response or what was my response? I think they were right about Obama (And to the extent I disagreed, I was wrong) But I can't even remember all the shitty things I thought a few years ago I was a clinically-depressed heroin addict And my political thinking was way more 'survive' than 'thrive' So I was like "yo government, protect me from scary shit at any cost In fact, make the mesh of the net as fine as possible Because hey false positives are safer than false negatives"
  14. LimpyLoo
    "Kiss Me Where The Sun-Don't-Shine" Band
  15. LimpyLoo
    What part of 'western democracy' does mass surveillance of a population serve? Or a drone program where the chances you killed the right person are like 50%? ("one of those 10 people I just droned was a suspected terrorist") But Obama's a liberal, so it's all for western democracy. (When others do it, though, it's because they're evil and stupid)
  16. LimpyLoo
    Seven Mary Three
  17. LimpyLoo
    puff puff pass that shit on over here, m83 *extends leprosy-covered hand*
  18. LimpyLoo
    One guy who is much older and about to retire likes Trumps ideas but doesn't like the way they are presented.I've said this to people I know before. It's a matter of tact. Sometimes it's not what you're saying or doing so much as how you're saying or doing it. Trump has the tact of an angry 10 year old who has just been told he's not getting ice cream or something. His temperament and apologists for it baffle me the most. I know people who readily excuse or even like his faults yet spent 8 years cynically scoffing and critiquing Obama on every little thing. It really makes you wonder if racist and sexist undertones are behind such attitudes.I don't think it's all that bafflingTrump is a fragile narcissist Whom this world has repeatedly rewarded To the tune of millions of dollars and a U.S. Presidency (So why the fuck would he act any different?!?) The problem isn't Donald Trump The problem is that the world rewards people like Donald Trump His apologists are happy to overlook his flaws So long as they're protected from the things they want to be protected from We've set up a political climate such that Conceding flaws on *our* side necessarily means giving ammunition to *their* side So yes, people are slow to concede points When they think their life/livelihood is at stake
  19. LimpyLoo
    Nobody said he was perfect, but if anything it's obvious why we need the NSA now more than ever. Things like that are good for catching Flynn accept 19.5% of the stake in Rosneft... He also actually gave a shit about his job. We could make false equivalencies all day and it still doesn't make voting for Trump a good idea, does it? So it kinda sounds like you're excusing violating the Constitution so long as it it serves liberal ends... "False equivalences"? Obama was polite, dignified and intelligent But a body count is a body count Don't remember a single lefty calling for his impeachment Despite his many atrocities and human rights violations... Did I say voting Trump was a good idea? Did I even *hint* at it? Please don't put words in my mouth
  20. LimpyLoo
    Did we "own up to" Obama's drone program, NSA, secret wars, executive orders, etc? Or did we say "yeah but he's a liberal, so..."
  21. LimpyLoo
    I'm not saying "capitulate" I'm saying "new strategy" Hopefully everyone here knows/can guess my thoughts on education, climate and everything else that's currently on sale to the lowest bidder/highest donor So believe me when I say the stakes are way too high to quietly take our lumps for 4-8 years Rather, I think we should always talk to people as if they're on our side, and not like some alien race that's trying to steal civilization away from the humans I think of instances where I've been "othered" to whatever degree And the idea that I was in the mood to agree with them? (On anything, let alone politics?) Fuck no... if anything, people get spiteful And go far, far out of their way to contradict the other person (We all know people we wouldn't be caught *dead* agreeing with) Why? Because people are guided by their present goals/motivations, not by pure omniscient rationality So if my goal is to prove that the person I'm debating is a fucking idiot *agreeing with them on anything* seems like a terrible move (Because that 'person' isn't like *me* at all)
  22. LimpyLoo
    yeah, it seems fairly difficult to find open and logical discussion regarding this whole matter. i'm sure it's out there, but it seems to be drowned out by volumes of mindless projection, unshakable dogma, condescension, insults, etc. i wonder if understanding the source and proliferation of these dichotomies we're all being presented with is actually more important than choosing sides and getting lost in the noise? So, I think what happens is that both sides feel morally justified in doing whatever it takes To push their agenda through e.g. I just saw a petition going around to convince Angus King to reject *all* of Trump's nominees for everything Not half of them, not 80% of them Every last one Now, hopefully everybody remembers when the Rebulicunts cock-blocked Obama from 'doing his job' at every possible chance Well, good news everybody! *we* are justified in acting that way because our agenda is morally righteous but when *they* do it, it's because they're evil (Now, how can we convince the Republican'ts that they're dumb and evil?!?) We all enjoyed watching Republicans suffer under Obama Now it's time to reap the shitty fruit of that attitude (Or perhaps we could treat everyone like fellow human beings)
  23. LimpyLoo
    I wish we didn't have to wait for Trump to do something SO irredeemable, that they could just finally figure it out themselves, but then there's the risk of them still making excuses for him after that. I think people know that if they voted for him and shit really hits the fan, they have no one to blame but themselves. So they blame this caricature of "liberals" to make themselves not feel responsible. They reach the bargaining phase of grief and stop there. 1) people in general are like that It's not some character defect only found on the Right e.g. Your post is exactly how my father talks about the Left (Basically: "eventually they'll see the error of their ways, and I'll be nearby smirking knowingly at their foolishness, though I won't say 'I told you so' to their face because I'm classy like that") 2) you can't just *tell* someone they're wrong And then call them dumb when they don't take your word for it (Has that approach ever changed *your* mind?) Wow, big surprise things are so shitty "I mean, we keep *telling* them they're fucking idiots But they're fucking idiots so they don't listen" How about we try another approach Maybe start with the assumption that these people are like us And that even *we* don't tend to change our minds when someone from the other side is calling us fucking idiots for not seeing the light 3) I'm gonna just keep posting my favorite Jack Handy joke: Bill is a real jerk But if he were here, he'd say I was the jerk No Bill, you're the jerk But if he were here...
  24. LimpyLoo
    Maybe calling the right a bunch of idiots isn't actually a good strategy Maybe we should treat them like actual human beings And try to actually understand their thoughts and decisions Instead of writing them off as irredeemable sub-human scum Because honestly, it doesn't look like the "ur dumb lol" strategy is working
  25. LimpyLoo
    If you drink de-ionized water, it will kill your digestive flora and you'll have to get a poop injection to get back up to speed. If Morgan Freeman knew to get his hands on some when he was in Shawshank, he could have busted outta there the same time as Tim Robbins if he played his cards right. 'I've been known to locate poop injections from time to time...'
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.