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this is such liberal reformism im getting sick of responding but thats all ill say. sorry palestinians arent following your rules based economic order

if you take away that root cause but leave the ethno-nationalist settlerism what do you get? the same scenario. if you take away the ethno-nationalist settlerism but leave the history of religious conflict, what do you get? not this shit. how are you saying that the religious history is the root cause? the root cause for this current conflict is clearly the US military funding of israel in the modern day and the very existence of israel. you want to go back to the big bang too? that's not useful, you have to use the most recent root cause. most people in palestine weren't even alive in this millenia let alone during the founding of israel, this is an ongoing perpetuated problem so its root cause is that one which is ongoingly perpetuated too, not something so far back in the past that nobody alive remembers it.

are we just gona forget this shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba its the first post in the OP so lets not forget it . this isnt some "both sides" shit

the problem is the existence of israel to begin with. there should be no ethno-nationalist settler states allowed to exist. they should not have been allowed to just ethnically cleanse the region, kick everyone out and expect to create a state from nothing through the use of violence. look how it turned out. this "thousands of years of religious struggle" stuff is just more mystification and if anything buying into the national history propaganda of israel itself, it has a very fascist nature, buying into this idea that israel is "returning to tradition" of past religious groups in the region. what a massive and disgusting surprise: the exact ideology used by the Nazis to justify their genocide of Jewish people to create an Aryan homeland is being employed by Israeli fascists to create the state of Israel and justify their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

pontificate about bullshit all you want, Gaza's population is primarily teenagers and they are being cut off from water and electricity, their hospitals and apartments are being bombed, they are being genocided, and you're rambling about how you think palestinian national liberation movements are equally bad as zionism. youre being confused by ideology and not looking at what is materially happening. can you get more wrong? the root cause of this is an ethno-nationalist settler state backed by the US + Europe, being shipped military equipment and funds to ethnically cleanse the region. what is not getting through to you? israel is genociding palestinians in gaza right now. thats the end of the discussion, there is no more "both sides" after that point

its pretty obvious that regardless of what small mouth noises and pen strokes they are making, one side is forcing the other into a concentration camp and now groups in that camp are fighting back as they have for a long time. if religious motivations are so absurd and nonsensical why grant them so much explanatory power to begin with? they're clearly emergent from underlying material causes. an alien observing and not understanding language whatsoever could see the behaviors and come up with clear explanations. why is one side not allowed to leave the tiny region of land without drinkable water, while bombs are constantly dropped onto their apartment buildings? oh look, big surprise, they try to shoot bombs back the other direction but they are swatted away like flies by military technologies imported from the global superpower. oh look, once again what a surprise, they are trying to break out again, and not nicely this "both sides" stuff is so ridiculous. are both sides forcing the others into concentration camps and genociding each other? no, clearly one side is the primary aggressor with many orders of magnitude more significant offensive and defensive capabilities. what youre writing is plain genocide genial what israel is doing is crimes against humanity and genocide against the palestinians

the worst take. as israelis sit in homes stolen from palestinians and palestinians look around them at decades of destruction and no potable water, with electricity cut off, i dont think religious interpretations are even remotely the most relevant. if ww3 happens, it should be obvious that it would be the US and Europe's fault for causing this entire situation by enabling their special token ethno-nationalist fascist state in the middle east

very boc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingy_Jack

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"west" is a huge category including all kinds of people. mainstream media in western countries are cheering it on. but the people are various, including palestinian refugees and others who are not cheering it on, and they too are located in the west

a religion cannot stand and watch anything, it's an abstract concept. as for people. yes, the people of israel are standing and watching. but not all of them. many oppose their own government's actions. it's the israeli owning class and state that is the problem, not necessarily all of the israeli people tucker carlson can have rational opinions? lol, he's a fascist. no he does not.

i guess the economic and political comes first, religion is a thin veneer on top used to subconsciously justify the consciously thought out political economic and warfare plans, and used heavily in state propaganda, both on the part of the US and Israel

i never get these takes that talk about religious motivations when its clearly economic and political. what aspect of israel's billions of dollars worth of US weaponry and advanced surveillance technology employed in their anti-Palestinian concentration camp is related to Judaism? none and how is Palestine's motivation to resist Israel religious rather than, extremely obviously, a fight for survival? so when i read this take i just think not a word is relevant

nazi = ethnic nationalism, genocide, and fascism israel = ethnic nationalism, genocide, and fascism

ill pretend i didnt read that awful last sentence anyway, it necessarily is not going to be a good thing. intelligence is not something we even understand. there are extremely intelligent people actively working on awful projects that hurt humanity horribly. "AGI" is such an ill defined goal that nobody even know what it is, that it basically just means "super weapons". it will not serve humanity's needs, by definition, since it will be owned by the owning class, and it serves the needs of its owner only solve arbitrary problems? what does that mean then? i doubt you can say, because nobody knows,

agi is not a real concept just cuz u can make sentence doesnt mean it is

its almost like the extraction of value from the human working population of the world is itself analogous to the extraction of value from the environment itself. its almost as if the ignoring of the externalities of this extraction from people and the environment are deeply interlinked. but in classic reactionary fashion, instead of understanding the linkage between the underlying issues, you pit the two against each other, as if one can be solved without solving the other. its a good way to get nowhere really fast

just biked in to say read the rules

"In the high tech concentration camp we manage there are no civilians, everyone is Hamas. We are going to destroy Hamas. By the way, they are Nazi Germany and we are resisting them"

deleting my post because u made personal attacks against me

putin is a piece of shit, so is zelensky, and the fascists who carried out a western backed color revolution in 2013. everyone is shit. its impossible for a capitalist politician to not be shit. they are by definition cronies, thiefs, and murderers

i think ur falling for social media psyops. also if youre some huge ally of the opppressed in ukraine russia scenario why arent you condemning ukraine for conducting a civil war against their own eastern border regions for a decade and cutting off water access to crimean citizens, a war crime and genocidal action. everything is quite many-sided. sorry you observed people "going silent" whatever that means

this halloween three travelers are forced into a sound deprivation chamber losing their mind, they start screaming into the ether PLEASE GIVE US SOUND a grin is seen in a dark room quiet at first, then increasing in volume and intensity ClnChr..... screams pierce the walls and gravitate outward into the empty graveyard under which this chamber is located this halloween, experience the sonic fright of a lifetime

thats not accurate, electoralism is a sham, thats the entire point, electing a "perfect leftist" to this one position will simply result in them being shot in the head by the CIA if they start getting too good. even if not, they will just be obstructed by the rest of the government, or their changes rolled back once they leave