zlemflolia
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freedom of speech to say that so and so group of people should have bad things happen to them is only fine after society has advanced so far that such speech is nothing more than the ramblings of some idiotic moron who everyone ignores, not something that poses serious existential and political threats to those people
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its called trains and hyper-centralized communist production and distribution based on like-kind economic planning. prove me wrong: you cant because this is the only way to plan for minimization of carbon emissions alongside simultaneous maximization of human needs being met
money erases information, on purpose, so that it can be transported into the hands of the rich. literally true.
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free speech is liberal idealism. no, you should not have free speech to advocate these ideas on mass media platforms:
>people should not have access to healthcare
>women should have their right to abortions taken away and be put in cages if they try to get an abortion
>(racism)
>(nazism)
etc
and dont give me your naive "well that means if the wrong person gets in power they can ban other stuff you want to be allowed to say" if theyre in power theyll do what they want to begin with, it means you failed
if you advocate "I believe public institutions should be sold off to private entities so that they can extract profits off them" or "i believe workers should not have democracy in the workplace and instead it should be a dictatorship of the owner, who can keep all the profits for themself and actively work to decrease worker quality of life to maximize his own profits" im sorry but youre a piece of shit and you shold have no free speech
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8 hours ago, decibal cooper said:
yeah i agree with this somewhat, and I also find the Sandy Hook thing detestable, but at the same time, like the user Zlemflovia said, he can be entertaining and informative if you ignore the mountains of conspiracy bullshit he spews. I was chatting with a friend about this who said that Jones is like a broken clock, which tells the correct time twice a day even though broken. I also think that the concerted effort of all the major social media / tech companies to have him removed from their platforms set a precedent that at the very least is not a good thing. He is currently doing a 15 minute daily news wrap video on X each day, and I tried watching it last night, and there is all kind of nonsense and disingenuous pandering that he spews, but there is also an anti-authoritarian, anti-war ethos and coverage of mainstream news articles/videos that would not normally be highlighted or commented upon. Also, in terms of being a threat to the peaceful existence around the globe, I would say that Jones pales in comparison when looking at the different ways that mainstream media of all stripes presents information (or purposefully omits it) to justify actual warfare, targeting of civilians, etc. Like I think that is one of the things that made Jones famous in the first place was his objection to the 2003 invasion of Iraq - and he was also very critical of Trump when he decided to use the military to do airstrikes in Syria. Anyway, I am not trying to be an Alex Jones Info Wars crusader, was mainly interested in commenting on his return to social media and Elon Musk owned X in particular.
his contradictory and syncretic ideology has all the characteristics of fascism, when you ignore the supposedly anti-war or anti-authoritarian facade the core is itself pro-war and pro-authoritarian because the trajectory of his ideas is pro-US and pro-capitalism because of its opposition to any genuinely anti-US, anti-military, or anti-authoritarian viewpoints. if you foolishly have sympathies for the ideals of liberterianism it can be easy to be fooled, if you aren't aware that liberterianism is simply an ideological outgrowth of far right US ideologies, its fascistic global dominance and domestic abuse of the population, white supremacy and settler colonialism, etc.
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would ae have still been successful if their track names had been "never gonna stop lovin' you" or "warm by the fireplace with a good cup of coffee" and their album art was pictures of couples holding hands with album titles like "songs from a more romantic time" and their band name was "sean and rob, the musical duo" but the music was the same?
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nice site
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if u ignore the bad stuff he is entertaining tho
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2 hours ago, decibal cooper said:
my brother in Christ, I fear that you may be a casualty in an info wars. Please join us instead so that we may defeat these globalists!
Joking aside, I disagree a little bit with what you say. I haven't listened to too much of his content: mainly that Tucker interview and also the X spaces interview a few days ago where Elon Musk dropped by and was talking to him (oh, and his interview with Kanye West from like a year ago). I also have seen clips of him over the years. I did not see or hear him saying anything that was hateful, although I am not discounting the possibility that he has done so, just that I have not heard it. He also is pretty consistently anti-war, so I feel like describing him as a threat to peace is not accurate. He definitely does sell snakeoil type products on his website, but according to him that is the only option that he has for advertising revenue. No one else would ever hire him to do advertising after he was removed from all social media. If idiots hear his message and use it as a means to support their own racism or any other bigotry (so long as he is not actively playing into that) then it is definitely a bad thing but is not his fault. In that X spaces interview from a few days ago he explains what happened regarding the Sandy Hook incident. Musk also confirmed that he was removed from Twitter (before Musk bought it) for insulting a CNN journalist. He said that this was literally what was on the log for his removal from the platform, that he insulted a journalist, and he was also removed from pretty much all platforms and it is not clear that he broke any laws that would merit being removed from literally all mainstream platforms.
why try and defend racist homophobic idiots
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these goofy dorks have no other life ambitions except for racism and they are proud of it
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5 hours ago, Satans Little Helper said:
Even if you say it's not personally directed, I feel like you're boxing me in as an example. ("part of the prevailing ....") So I feel I need to defend myself anyway. To me, it looks like you're simply putting words/thoughts behind my argument that aren't there.
Case in point: I made one word bold. Because IMO that's the core of your argument where you're going off-road. It's outside my zone of expertise. Not outside my zone of interest. I'm simply no expert. If you think I'm not interested, or you think that about people in general who make similar arguments, you're simply projecting, imo. Sorry to be frank and all that. But you're boxing me ("those people") in a way that I feel is unjustified. Not cool. Completely unnecessary. And unhelpful.
I'm not against people "speaking up". But I guess we have different ideas on what is effective when speaking up when it comes to issues such as these.
Please note that I have no issues with people protesting and making themselves heard on the streets. Showing their (op)position on some issues. May as well be climate. Protests are part of a healthy democracy. What I keep myself from doing is taking part in a discussion in which I know I don't have the expertise. These are not two sides of the same coin, imo. And shouldn't be put in the same box.
what expertise do u need to know cutting off electricity and water to an entire region is wrong? forcing people into a few square mile box and bombing them is wrong? killing babies and shooting protestors legs is wrong? its not "moral outrage porn gangbang", its literally morally outrageous, it actually is
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2 minutes ago, Satans Little Helper said:
At first it seems obvious to condemn US(UK) for allowing the current situation to continue. Too obvious even. So in my poor-mans attempt to try to understand why the US voted against, I read the reuters article. yeah, I kid you not. and this is what my open and naive worldview took away from this little mental exercise :
first the obvious: US voted against because Israel opposes. Duh. Then the somewhat less obvious question: why is israel against? Reading reuters: because Hamas isn’t addressed properly.
Obviously, without any detailed knowledge I can’t make any meaningful judgement about such a claim. But, if I take it at face value - meaning Israel is completely upfront and open - I could understand that Israel would consider Hamas a key point that needs to be addressed. From their perspective. ( yeah mental exercise) Because without, there wouldn’t be a meaningful ceasefire. Or so they would argue, i would assume.And the US? Well, I guess their opposition could mean there is some validity to Israels objections. Or they think so.
Does it matter that most other nations did support it? Yes and no. Why no? Because it would have been obvious US would veto, I assume. So at that point the vote had become political symbolism. Meaning: a vote to show broad support for a ceasefire. Any ceasefire. Regardless of the conditions. Even if those conditions weren’t good.
My conclusion: there’s a good reason I try to keep myself from taking part in discussions such as these. It makes me feel and look stupid. But more importantly, to me looks like a giant “moral outrage” porn gangbang. And I feel dirty and dumb by posting this.It’s an important issue. I hope it gets resolved soon. Hopefully others have more interesting things to say. Ill gladly take the hit if it is at my expense
israel created hamas. stop genociding the palestinians and let them live their life in peace and there is no more need for hamas, and the civilian support needed to keep them going dissipates. so even if israel considers hamas a legitimate threat and seemingly needs to "address" them, their concerns and considerations are worthless and they 100% deserve to be tried for war crimes and imprisoned for crimes against humanity and genocide, FUCK israel and their words and explanations are worthless, there is no justification, no explanation, possible
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8 hours ago, cwmbrancity said:
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fuck
let me repeat that
Fuck
let me repeat that for you once again
FUCK ISRAEL
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jordan just-bumped-phentanyl while snorting a raw steak peterson
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33 minutes ago, cruising for burgers said:
I can NOT fucking tell if you're being sarcastic or not...
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i can NOT fucking believe that damage, holy shit, im awestruck, not only, i am also breathstruck. just thinking about that makes me swelter
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turned on my dryer this morning its pretty autecherean
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3 minutes ago, Hail Sagan said:
What I was trying to articulate there, very poorly, was that I don’t feel like these guys necessarily are going after that western lapdog position you mentioned. To become a true poster child for the far right on a major media outlet like fox I personally believe catering to the far right as well as the Christian community would be the most lucrative path. I failed to acknowledge the opportunity for these guys to hold onto their beliefs (or lack thereof) and still chase the bag under the guise of offering a supportive and educative community.
they dont even have to chase it, they dont even have to pretend or cater their beliefs, their beliefs can be 100% from their selves with conviction, and yet they are scooped up and put there after the fact and used for that kind of purpose
media lets people become a small part of a bigger plan they weren't even told about when agreeing to take part, they are discarded after
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On 11/2/2023 at 5:12 AM, trying to be less rude said:
they're not all corrupt. geeks like me who spent their lives learning the lay of the land, with media spins, and familiarizing with journalistic methods, are able to have a good sense of what's real. many politicians are not corrupt. it's easy to confuse people, though. running for office costs money. that's how it's easy to confuse people about anyone. "hey look! they take money! they're corrupt!"
please, people, get past this, and try to pay closer attention. "they're all corrupt" is the message from the rightist media that panders to covering for the deeply corrupt national GOP. they're literally out there trying to make the left look corrupt so that the right won't look so bad. they want you to not pay close attention. they want you to think "it's all the same, it doesn't make a difference, they're all liars, they're all corrupt." this is the objective. and it's obviously false. you could run. canvas your town for a year and you can be elected mayor. do a good job for two years and you can run for state office. do a good job there and you can run for governor. etc.
please don't let fantasies pedaled by agencies and foxish news outlets snuff out free society. the deluge of bad info we're drowning in is a real threat. the best solution is for individuals to take responsibility for not being full of shit.
here, i'll give you a mystic secret. it's from socrates. know when you don't know. this is an elemental step toward being able to navigate in a hazardous information environment.
i wish you were right, unfortunately the left wing of the US government is deeply corrupt in so many ways, this lib viewpoint you're putting forward is fundamentally providing cover for the corrupt democratic party of the US which actively aids everything from the current Israeli genocide of Palestinians, to a global economic sanctions regime killing the populations of numerous countries, to refusing domestically to even house the homeless or provide their own citizens with healthcare.
give me a break with this bullshit. you have a mystic secret to impart on us from socrates? dont make me laugh
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deep fakes hardly matter, you already have meatfakes spewing propaganda on tv
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5 hours ago, xox said:
Finkelstein great as ever!
this sick fuck with his dumbass argument "it was stolen from jordan, from egypt, not the palestinians" bitch the palestinians live on it. its not some nation state border dispute its humans and their homes. smiling bastards, these people are sick in the head
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On 11/2/2023 at 10:28 PM, usagi said:
I was more referring to the fact that crypto was touted as the next stage of human evolution in the original thread title before it got edited and mashed together with another thread
my woirds always make a lasting impact on poeple
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"the need for humankind to upgrade its value system" already starting with idealism, its clearly not about that, its about the mode of production and who controls it. our value system is fine. its the value system of the owning class that is the problem and they therefore must be eradicated as the owning class and proletarianized. though anyway il listen and give a more proper response