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  1. 17 hours ago, chenGOD said:

    the end of apartheid in South Africa was the result of negotiations, not violent protest.

    this is such liberal reformism im getting sick of responding but thats all ill say.  sorry palestinians arent following your rules based economic order

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  2. 14 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

    What is not getting through to you? I have never disagreed with that. I am establishing the root cause, which clearly (if you look at any of the links I posted) extends far into the past before the Balfour Declaration.

    Which is a direct result of Zionism, which is of course one of the death cults I'm referring to. Thank you for agreeing with me.

    if you take away that root cause but leave the ethno-nationalist settlerism what do you get? the same scenario.  if you take away the ethno-nationalist settlerism but leave the history of religious conflict, what do you get? not this shit.  how are you saying that the religious history is the root cause? the root cause for this current conflict is clearly the US military funding of israel in the modern day and the very existence of israel.

    you want to go back to the big bang too? that's not useful, you have to use the most recent root cause.  most people in palestine weren't even alive in this millenia let alone during the founding of israel, this is an ongoing perpetuated problem so its root cause is that one which is ongoingly perpetuated too, not something so far back in the past that nobody alive remembers it.

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  3. the problem is the existence of israel to begin with.  there should be no ethno-nationalist settler states allowed to exist.  they should not have been allowed to just ethnically cleanse the region, kick everyone out and expect to create a state from nothing through the use of violence.  look how it turned out.  this "thousands of years of religious struggle" stuff is just more mystification and if anything buying into the national history propaganda of israel itself, it has a very fascist nature, buying into this idea that israel is "returning to tradition" of past religious groups in the region.

    what a massive and disgusting surprise: the exact ideology used by the Nazis to justify their genocide of Jewish people to create an Aryan homeland is being employed by Israeli fascists to create the state of Israel and justify their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

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  4. 1 hour ago, chenGOD said:

    Sure, but none of that manipulation or division is possible without the religious element. And the religious element has been a part of it for a long long time, but in modern times has been exacerbated by the Zionist movement on one side and Arab Nationalism/Islamism on the other side. Yes the League of Nations supported the creation of the modern Israeli state, but the idea was mooted by Zionists, with genesis back in the 19th century. On the other hand, the ideology of global jihad is certainly one that needs to be considered.

    pontificate about bullshit all you want, Gaza's population is primarily teenagers and they are being cut off from water and electricity, their hospitals and apartments are being bombed, they are being genocided, and you're rambling about how you think palestinian national liberation movements are equally bad as zionism.  youre being confused by ideology and not looking at what is materially happening.

    2 hours ago, chenGOD said:

    I'm simply saying that the root cause of all this is fucking millennia old bullshit

    can you get more wrong? the root cause of this is an ethno-nationalist settler state backed by the US + Europe, being shipped military equipment and funds to ethnically cleanse the region. 

    what is not getting through to you? israel is genociding palestinians in gaza right now.  thats the end of the discussion, there is no more "both sides" after that point

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  5. 4 hours ago, chenGOD said:

    Both Hamas and Netanyahu are guided in their claims to land by religious scripture. Both sides are backed by far larger state entities, the means of their approach (seeking backing from whoever) does not justify the ends (a holy land). War has been fought for religious reasons for fucking millennia and the human race's inability to get past these interpretations of texts by ancient power-seekers hasn't changed (the apostles would be all over social media today), and never forget that for both Hamas and the Zionist, their end goal is a holy land controlled by them.

    Hamas Charter: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

    Netanyahu's ideological underpinnings: https://www.vox.com/2015/3/16/8220035/what-does-netanyahu-think

    One can understand why Hamas chose the route they did without condoning their actions. One can also say that Israel is certainly violating human rights without condemning Jews as a whole. One can also see that the root of all this on both sides is religious maximalism, blinding one side to the other's right to exist and practice in peace.

    its pretty obvious that regardless of what small mouth noises and pen strokes they are making, one side is forcing the other into a concentration camp and now groups in that camp are fighting back as they have for a long time.  if religious motivations are so absurd and nonsensical why grant them so much explanatory power to begin with? they're clearly emergent from underlying material causes.

    an alien observing and not understanding language whatsoever could see the behaviors and come up with clear explanations.  why is one side not allowed to leave the tiny region of land without drinkable water, while bombs are constantly dropped onto their apartment buildings?  oh look, big surprise, they try to shoot bombs back the other direction but they are swatted away like flies by military technologies imported from the global superpower.  oh look, once again what a surprise, they are trying to break out again, and not nicely

    this "both sides" stuff is so ridiculous.  are both sides forcing the others into concentration camps and genociding each other? no, clearly one side is the primary aggressor with many orders of magnitude more significant offensive and defensive capabilities. 

    what youre writing is plain genocide genial

    what israel is doing is crimes against humanity and genocide against the palestinians

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  6. On 10/30/2023 at 7:48 AM, chenGOD said:

    Fucking bullshit medieval death cult vs fucking bullshit archaic death cult that both worship the same fucking stupid voice in the sky but interpret the words slightly differently going to drag us into WW3. 

    the worst take.  as israelis sit in homes stolen from palestinians and palestinians look around them at decades of destruction and no potable water, with electricity cut off, i dont think religious interpretations are even remotely the most relevant. if ww3 happens, it should be obvious that it would be the US and Europe's fault for causing this entire situation by enabling their special token ethno-nationalist fascist state in the middle east

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  7. 11 minutes ago, aderei said:

     

    Up there with the biggest genocides of the 21st century. 

    And the west is cheering it on.

    "west" is a huge category including all kinds of people.  mainstream media in western countries are cheering it on.  but the people are various, including palestinian refugees and others who are not cheering it on, and they too are located in the west

  8. 6 hours ago, xox said:

    Do they really think that the region will just stand and watch them whipping out so many people?! 

    Im not familiar much with his work but the other guy seemed to have some rational opinions 

    a religion cannot stand and watch anything, it's an abstract concept.  as for people.  yes, the people of israel are standing and watching.  but not all of them.  many oppose their own government's actions.  it's the israeli owning class and state that is the problem, not necessarily all of the israeli people

    tucker carlson can have rational opinions? lol, he's a fascist. no he does not.

  9. 6 hours ago, zero said:

    well I'd say you need to look deeper at the human level, to understand the "why" as to what is motivating people to commit these actions. economic and political decisions are made by people. religion is baked into the heads of the leaders that are making these decisions. for me I start with the people to try and make sense of what causes conflict, try and look at what factors could contribute to their behaviors. the Abrahamic religions promote tribalism, and this has an effect of the people making the decisions. 

    but I get that this is a hypothetical take, difficult to prove and argue for. I am not anti-religion, only think that what it can do to people often times is more harmful than helpful.

    i guess the economic and political comes first, religion is a thin veneer on top used to subconsciously justify the consciously thought out political economic and warfare plans, and used heavily in state propaganda, both on the part of the US and Israel

  10. 13 minutes ago, zero said:

    I'm sometimes guilty of trying to reverse engineer things I don't quite understand. such as, why in the fuck are they doing this? (the collective "they" here, not just 1 side). the obvious answer is this is a territory dispute. they are fighting each other over land. over a slice of land both sides want for their people. why do they want the land? because both sides believe it is significant within each of their cultures. why is it significant? then comes the elephant in the room - religious reasons. once you pull back enough layers of the onion, the Abrahamic faiths rear their violent heads once again. 

    how many humans have been killed throughout history due to reasons linked to Islam/Christianity/Judaism? impossible to know. isn't part of the point of these religions to spread peace, love, and social order? yet the adherents of these faiths continue to not be able to accomplish this very well. these faiths are strong promoters of tribalism. they all believe they are justified in their actions of committing sins against the other team, in order to get what they want. this seems antagonistic, not peace-promoting (and seems even crazier when you consider these groups all believe in the same monotheistic God). but yeah...shit like this can't usually be said out loud in the room, i.e. this killing and fighting is the fault of religion. it will usually lead to anger and arguing.    

     

     

    i never get these takes that talk about religious motivations when its clearly economic and political.  what aspect of israel's billions of dollars worth of US weaponry and advanced surveillance technology employed in their anti-Palestinian concentration camp is related to Judaism?  none

    and how is Palestine's motivation to resist Israel religious rather than, extremely obviously, a fight for survival?

    so when i read this take i just think not a word is relevant

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  11. 9 hours ago, vkxwz said:

    Care to explain further? I feel like this depends on the definition, if you define it as some software running on a computer that is capable of all the mental capabilities of a human(in a functional sense, being able to learn, complete tasks etc, not something like consciousness) then I don't see why this isn't a real concept or possibility.

    Maybe you mean that the concept itself contains a contradiction that makes it impossible? Like the term "communist utopia".

    ill pretend i didnt read that awful last sentence

    anyway, it necessarily is not going to be a good thing.  intelligence is not something we even understand.  there are extremely intelligent people actively working on awful projects that hurt humanity horribly.  "AGI" is such an ill defined goal that nobody even know what it is, that it basically just means "super weapons".  it will not serve humanity's needs, by definition, since it will be owned by the owning class, and it serves the needs of its owner only

    8 hours ago, Real Human Bean said:

    Assuming Artificial means taking place on a manmade non-biological substrate and General Intelligence means the ability to solve arbitrary problems with equal or greater competency than humans why is AGI not a real concept?

    solve arbitrary problems? what does that mean then?  i doubt you can say, because nobody knows,

  12. On 9/27/2023 at 11:53 AM, cern said:

    People want to do good for the climate and also more and more people getting poorer and poorer.. 
    Why can't just the people ask themself truly: Is it really a good Idea to have kids? 

    Kids are a social construction for the middle class to brag about the fact that they can afford to have them. 

    its almost like the extraction of value from the human working population of the world is itself analogous to the extraction of value from the environment itself.  its almost as if the ignoring of the externalities of this extraction from people and the environment are deeply interlinked. 

    but in classic reactionary fashion, instead of understanding the linkage between the underlying issues, you pit the two against each other, as if one can be solved without solving the other.  its a good way to get nowhere really fast

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  13. On 9/5/2023 at 9:02 AM, Fade Rhombus said:

    Sunspot activity accounts for a lot of what happens in our climate. Sunspots appear in a cycle, just like everything else. Sometimes those cycles phase with each other and you get superclusters. This is another thing we aren't being told.  These parasites use fear to get more of our taxes. These things ebb and flow. It's natural. The earth regulates it's temperature the same way our bodies do. 
    For decades they told us we were facing an ice age ( even though we're just emerging from one now ), then it was the ozone layer, then it was BSE, then it was the milennium bug, then it was the mayans and their invisible planet and that propaganda movie "2012" that scared people half to death.

    This is nothing but greedy avaricious parasites doing the same thing, all over again. In 10 years, it'll be something else. A decade after that, it'll be something else again. It's just new stratagems for utilizing fear. 

    just biked in to say read the rules

    On 9/27/2023 at 11:53 AM, cern said:

    Kids are a social construct

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  14. 6 hours ago, ignatius said:

    wasn't that 'decade' under putin's thumb? when his crony was in power in ukraine then they had an uprising and threw that guy out and where did he go? he went to russia. .. and they turned his palace into a museum. the people's museum. not sure what it is now.. but he had a pond with floats on it where he a giraffe or something. he looted billions from ukraine. 

    there's lot's of really good reporting on that and you should be aware of it. the ukraine of 10 years ago isn't the ukraine of today and you know that. 

    putin is a piece of shit, so is zelensky, and the fascists who carried out a western backed color revolution in 2013.  everyone is shit.  its impossible for a capitalist politician to not be shit. they are by definition cronies, thiefs, and murderers

  15. 1 hour ago, Walter Ostanek said:

    Principles, but only when America (or proxy) do bad thing. When Russia (or proxy) do bad thing... well it didn't happen and they deserved it anyway

     

    I learnt a while ago to always be very wary of honky "allies" of Palestinians. I support their cause wholesale but it was very telling how many other self-proclaimed Palestinian allies suddenly went silent when, for once, it wasn't the IDF bulldozing Palestinian refugee camps but Assad barrel-bombing them.

     

    i think ur falling for social media psyops.  also if youre some huge ally of the opppressed in ukraine russia scenario why arent you condemning ukraine for conducting a civil war against their own eastern border regions for a decade and cutting off water access to crimean citizens, a war crime and genocidal action.  everything is quite many-sided.  sorry you observed people "going silent" whatever that means

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  16. this halloween

    three travelers are forced into a sound deprivation chamber

    losing their mind, they start screaming into the ether

    PLEASE GIVE US SOUND

    a grin is seen in a dark room

    quiet at first, then increasing in volume and intensity

    ClnChr.....

    screams pierce the walls and gravitate outward into the empty graveyard under which this chamber is located

    this halloween, experience the sonic fright of a lifetime

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  17. 2 hours ago, taphead said:

    I really wish that they would invent another political position besides president. It seems so difficult that our only chance at having good politics in this country is to elect the perfect leftist to this one position. Like yeah, obviously once we achieved that, we'd have a total victory, and would see zero pushback from congress or the supreme court. So people are absolutely justified on having tunnel vision over the presidency. But sometimes, I wish there was another way.

    thats not accurate, electoralism is a sham, thats the entire point, electing a "perfect leftist" to this one position will simply result in them being shot in the head by the CIA if they start getting too good. even if not, they will just be obstructed by the rest of the government, or their changes rolled back once they leave

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