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Really admire some of the work these young folks are creating, it's hard on my old brain, real hard, but that's just me getting old. I like it better than regular modern pop thats for sure

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On 6/18/2021 at 3:13 PM, xyrofen said:

I really like a lot of things that have come out of the general "Hyperpop" sphere, if only for its artistic influence and how a lot of it feels like it's taking ownership of feelings that music that the producers (who are close to my cohort) shared when they heard the same electronic I grew up on. Maybe different for me being in the western states, but a lot of permeated was tied to video games or the Eurodance hits that would break into radio play. It comes across as a deconstruction and done with such a hyperfocus on meeting a certain aesthetic that I end up appreciating it, even if it's either taking itself too seriously or not at all (often hard to discern). One of my younger friends, that I met being confined to my room during my college years playing video games until the sun came back up and I would have to rush to get my school work done before catching public transit to my lectures, knowing full well I wouldn't be home again until after closing shop at 11 pm, was sending me early Hannah Diamond tracks and talking about it. I didn't think much of it sounded good, kind of like they were all unfinished demo tracks. 

I can't help but feel like some of this is like a(n) (more) electronic response to Death Grips. A lot of "interesting" min-max going on in the soundscape, maybe a weird comparison. It feels like there's a lot of talent in this production that's not set on chasing money and more set on chasing an idea, which I appreciate.

I've been listening to a lot of Danny Harle (a producer in the early years of the PC Music collective), and he absolutely grabs the evocation of what I remember feeling when I first started hearing techno tracks that resonated with me. It really throws me back into being a tween and loving this stuff, feeling like a complete nerd-loser-outcast playing DDR in my bedroom because I wasn't allowed to have friends over when my parent wasn't home during my latchkey bullshit years with Dirty Vegas, Groove Armada, Ace of Base, BT, and Eiffel 65. Uniquely it completely avoids all the feelings that Daft Punk gave me in those formative years; prior to my delving into more experimental music that eventually led me here. I'm going to take this little moment here to say the Super Monkey Ball 2 soundtrack is full of nothing but breakbeat bangers, hot damn.

The whimsy, chasing the nostalgia, really feels to have come out of the Vaporwave movement. I remember people wondering if early PC Music could still be considered vaporwave.

 

I remember getting sent this awhile back, and it's not good (my opinion), but boy does it feel like a proto version of a lot of this, this is the shitpost part of my post (though there are a few good tracks in here).

 

girli.fm is literally all ive listened to since you posted it

very good

good track off it not hyperpop tho apparently grime

 

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On 5/17/2021 at 6:51 PM, Cryptowen said:

its interesting how low res cgi graphics back in the day used to signal "futuristic", whereas when i see it on stuff from the last decade my read is "the uncanny contained within the mundane". would that be accurate?

like my first impression with this stuff is that at some point vaporwave aesthetics branched off in two directions. on the one hand you have the chill beats to study to branch, ie accessible party music & downtempo that's heavy on iconic sample loops. on the other hand you have this stuff which seems to have siezed upon the "internet" aspect that was always inherent to vaporwave, ie the underlying thematic once you got past the sampling, the exploration of the way in which the web take every previously existing aesthetic and melts them together into this cotton candy mutation. disregarding all previously established tastes as an experiment to see what new tastes might emerge

Vaporwave is a diagrammatic rhizome of destratifying semiotics.  New connections are being formed between assemblages of enunciation by abstract machines deterritorialized over the internet.  The first variety of vaporwave you mentioned is a capitalistic refrain that's reincorporating the connections into its semiological field, which were formed by the more machinic lines of evolution characterizing the abstract variety.  Or something like that.

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having just now listened to maybe like 10 tracks from this thread i'm sincerely left wondering what "hyper pop" is meant to signify. 

just bullshitting here but i've long felt that a persistent issue with internet-fueled subgenres or whatever you want to call them is how they become so quickly meme-ified and rapidly lose a sense of coherent flexibility. they're either way too strict and simplistic or they're trying to be a meme and not quite being cohesive enough to gel. so like, imo trap is an example of something that became so quickly memed into oblivion so that it sounds like all the producers are racing to make the exact same productions. when i first started hearing trap i was like oh shit this rules, who would've though the 808 would get this kind of new twist. but now it's like oh shit, this is really annoying who would've thought the 808 could be so boring. it kinda seems like the conventions take place over any kind of innovation or openness to be uniquely expressive. i get that the appeal lies in that but like how long can you keep making the same fucking beat m8?

hyperpop seems to me to be doing something different - the genre is pulling too many disparate things under its umbrella. and i feel like this is just bc we are so obsessed with brands, memes, profiles, etc. we have to be something distinct, something you can pin down in one or two or three words, it fits comfortably in a social media profile. but what are the common things uniting all the music in this thread? i like these different songs - but what are they together? hyperpop. ok.

it's funny bc throughout all the years there's been this consistent rejection of the term "IDM." it's like some lame thing made up by journalists that really says nothing about all this different music underpinning this forum. ya know, in what sense are autechre and boc both examples of "idm?" what aphex records can be called "idm" exactly? aren't some of the just "dm?" or "ambient?" so even the works of one of the most significant artists of the "idm" genre are not consistently captured by the term at all. but in the 21st century it's like if you don't have some marketable little phrase or genre first and foremost, well what are you even doing? i tire of this.

 

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genres are a continuum of many parameters not inflexible categories of strict requirements.  if they are the latter, they create the necessity of breaking the previous rules of that genre for artistic reasons to either expand or branch off of it.  given the topology of content on the internet's close relationship to human interaction graphs, its likely that as time moves forward genres will be less word of mouth or officially sanctioned descriptions for well defined categories of music, and moreso loose conglomerations of tags for the creation of social groups surrounding fanbases of the music.  it's almost a universal trope at this point that the artists themselves reject the concept of genres or even make fun of them, and as a result the genres become something that has utility only for the listeners, but not even for individual listeners, rather for communities of listeners.  as a result, the genre is nothing more than a subculture

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the internetification of the genre concept is one which is particularly applicable to hyperpop, which in its most representative examples is a combinatorial musical genre mixing together many disparate musical concepts

what's more clear though is the trajectory not of the topology of genres, but rather the post I have just written, being characterized by coming straight forth from my sphincter

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5 minutes ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

genres are a continuum of many parameters not inflexible categories of strict requirements.  if they are the latter, they create the necessity of breaking the previous rules of that genre for artistic reasons to either expand or branch off of it.  given the topology of content on the internet's close relationship to human interaction graphs, its likely that as time moves forward genres will be less word of mouth or officially sanctioned descriptions for well defined categories of music, and moreso loose conglomerations of tags for the creation of social groups surrounding fanbases of the music.  it's almost a universal trope at this point that the artists themselves reject the concept of genres or even make fun of them, and as a result the genres become something that has utility only for the listeners, but not even for individual listeners, rather for communities of listeners.  as a result, the genre is nothing more than a subculture

there’s honestly no reason to post like this

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48 minutes ago, drillkicker said:

New connections are being formed between assemblages of enunciation by abstract machines deterritorialized over the internet.

tempted to start a Deleuzean techno (DeleuzEDM) thread where we just mash parts from random tracks together like john carpenter's the thing. actually this sounds like it could be a lotta fun

@Alcofribas i feel like we're in this weird transtional stage vis a vis subjectivity. like the recognition of a coherent subject (in this case a musical genre) is always a conscious decision to frame raw experience in a particular way, to place an an abstract atemporal frame of definition onto the endlessly-mutating temporal flow of life. the exact definition of the subject is always something that is worked out moment-by-moment, case-by-case etc, as one is continuously called to determine what "fits" within the confines of the subject, even though the subject is still in the process of being defined - the very process of determining what does & does not "fit" is the process of developing a definition of something. the subject endures as a metastable abstraction - it's meaning constantly shifting over time, but slowly enough that it maintains a sense of relative coherence (much like how the faces of people you know are constantly changing, but usually not fast enough to trip you up)

The thing about internet culture is that the fluctuation happens much faster now. We're still used to a 20th century mode of thinking, when things were still measured in decades & generations. And yet, at the same time we seem unable to resist the movement towards increasingly short attention spans, increasingly ambiguous signifiers, arbitrary categorizations, definitions that change sometimes hour to hour. Ultimately i think the very notion of things like genres will need to be updated to reflect this, to become something that more explicitly speaks to a flow of cultural transformation rather than any (semi-)fixed point

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1 hour ago, Cryptowen said:

Ultimately i think the very notion of things like genres will need to be updated to reflect this, to become something that more explicitly speaks to a flow of cultural transformation rather than any (semi-)fixed point

Definitely 

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Does this count as hyperpop to yall? 

 

 

 

Heard from a couple of places that it does but for one this sound originated from a totes different scene and it's also quite older (2009-2012)

edit: big love to dancecorps

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34 minutes ago, MIXL2 said:

Does this count as hyperpop to yall? 

 

 

 

Heard from a couple of places that it does but for one this sound originated from a totes different scene and it's also quite older (2009-2012)

edit: big love to dancecorps

it sounds like happy hardcore genre to me

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I've finally been converted by 100 gecs.  It's becoming a regular feature in my life.  I've realized that good music is overrated and overrepresented in the world.  Bad music needs a chance, and awful music deserves a place of supreme privilege.  Too many people make music with the intention of it being good and I for one am completely bored of it.  I'm trying to listen only to music that is made with absolutely no consideration of quality, and 100 gecs has mastered this attitude.  Out with the good, in with the bad.

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43 minutes ago, drillkicker said:

I've finally been converted by 100 gecs.  It's becoming a regular feature in my life.  I've realized that good music is overrated and overrepresented in the world.  Bad music needs a chance, and awful music deserves a place of supreme privilege.  Too many people make music with the intention of it being good and I for one am completely bored of it.  I'm trying to listen only to music that is made with absolutely no consideration of quality, and 100 gecs has mastered this attitude.  Out with the good, in with the bad.

here enjoy the aboluste worst gec song

 

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37 minutes ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

here enjoy the aboluste worst gec song

 

I love it.  It's a big middle finger to anyone who has a taste in music (good or bad).

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I'm a big fan of caro ❤️ 

The new album "Heartbeats/Heartbreaks" is the lighter side of hyperpop. So much of this trend is blown out aggression, which is awesome but it's good to have the Quiet Storm end of the dial too.

If I'm honest, the poppy stuff is fun but what made me buy it is the incredible ambient textures found all throughout the album. I'd pay 2x the asking price for "Drop In The Ocean" alone.

 

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1 hour ago, xxx said:

I'm a big fan of caro ❤️ 

The new album "Heartbeats/Heartbreaks" is the lighter side of hyperpop. So much of this trend is blown out aggression, which is awesome but it's good to have the Quiet Storm end of the dial too.

If I'm honest, the poppy stuff is fun but what made me buy it is the incredible ambient textures found all throughout the album. I'd pay 2x the asking price for "Drop In The Ocean" alone.

 

sounds like rhubarb

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13 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

sounds like rhubarb

Hahaha don't we love hearing the same story over and over. 

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Not "hyper" pop but definitely great pop, I just discovered Baby Queen and I love her.  Great videos, tough subject matter and just generally brilliant. 

"Medicine" is also a great track.

 

 

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