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3 minutes ago, Richie Sombrero said:

Always amazed at our capacity as a species to think up terrible ideas that kill the planet. Chapeau.

Speak for yer fucking self mate. I personally have not spilled any oil in the ocean or burnt down any amount of forestry. 

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8 hours ago, Satans Little Helper said:

My dad has a huge stamp collection. Spent his life collecting those rare one time stamps. Completely worthless nowadays. This shit reminds me of that. It's hard to take people seriously going for this. It really is. I admire the enthusiasm though.

 

when i was a kid i was into stamps for a minute. one day my dad came home w/this hug box that had like 20 albums of stamps and one envelope of stamps. it's old. my dad got it for $50 at an estate sale. the envelope says "might be valuable" and we took it to some coin/stamp place and the guy said the envelope of stamps is worth about $75. this is in the 70s.  i've probably looked at the albums 3 times in my life. they're all still in a box in my attic right now. i have no idea what to do w/them and i'm sure whenever i die someone will buy them for $50 at some estate sale full of a bunch of crap from my house that i haven't managed to get rid of before escaping this mortality. 

 

i should dig them out and take them a coin/stamp guy and see what he says just for the hell of it. maybe he'll say "this envelope is now worth $80.. and the box of albums is still worth $50"

 

maybe i should take photos and NFT them. 

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29 minutes ago, Amen Warrior said:

Talking of scams, I had a bit of aphex related fun with someone on eBay recently, this as good a place as any to share it

 

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I forgot to include, where I said 'check it out' I bothered to mock up this field day lp bowl and send it to him. How much crypto could I get for this

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will we get NFT porn videos? real questions.  sasha grey's butthole or something? 

is someone gonna own 2 girls one cup? tub girl? original goatse?

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2 minutes ago, ignatius said:

will we get NFT porn videos? real questions.  sasha grey's butthole or something? 

is someone gonna own 2 girls one cup? tub girl? original goatse?

this is not even a question. 

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This is what I love with WATMM.. Instead of having an angry debate I just having a laugh at all the funny comments and memes. 😄 

 

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I could be wrong but my understanding of the energy usage thing is: Ok yes this is a shocking amount of energy being used for the proof-of-work or whatever but also the miners are using this energy no matter what. At any given time they are either minting new currency or minting it against the hash of the digital artwork? To me it seems like, well if crypto is not going away might as well have it do something interesting. But the energy used isn't any more than the amount of producing new coins or whatever(?)

 

Again also willing to admit I don't understand and may have read some pro-crypto propaganda so again please let me know if I'm misunderstanding the algorithmic impact of these things and making an ass of myself... 🥴. It's a bit hard to find articles that aren't editorialized and dumbed down....

 

I just thinks it's silly people went from "crypto bad but /shrug" to "NFT ruining the planet artists are horrible planet ruining assholes". I mean, Yeah your complacent in an already bad system, like many things in life, but it's not really like NFTs are making crypto an exponentially worse thing right? I mean it's making etherium more popular which = more reason to mine it even more but it's not going to align our climate trajectory even worse from what I understand

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21 minutes ago, DucksOpinion said:

I'm so lost.

 

That seems like crazy money to be spending on anything; never-mind on a non-exclusive right to digital artwork.

 

it's a gamble on the future. speculation for most people buying these i think. someday will there be an NFT museum  exhibition? 

 

these 2 clips about BEEPLE.. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, d-a-m-o said:

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What a wankfest...

Yes, I'm going to betray my ignorance here, but I worry there's some kind of conceptual confusion: how can an abstract object (a collection of ones and zeroes) be an "edition of 1", exactly? Physical objects come in editions because they are finite, spatiotemporally bounded things that can stand in causal relations with other physical objects (they can be burned, torn, crumpled, etc.). Abstract objects are the opposite of these things. Does the number 2 come in an edition of 1 also? 

 

I suppose there are annoying related questions concern intellectual property rights here: I suppose a patent is a way to claim ownership over an abstract idea. There are certainly objections to the way our legal system handles this sort of claim over abstract objects, but surely no patent office says the blatantly false lie that the person awarded the patent has an "edition of 1", right? I mean, what's the fucking point of the word "edition" any more? 

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14 minutes ago, ignatius said:

 

it's a gamble on the future. speculation for most people buying these i think. someday will there be an NFT museum  exhibition? 

 

these 2 clips about BEEPLE.. 

 

 

 

Ha Ha. thats great. Stoked for him.

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6 minutes ago, Bubba69 said:

 but it's not really like NFTs are making crypto an exponentially worse thing right? I mean it's making etherium more popular which = more reason to mine it even more but it's not going to align our climate trajectory even worse from what I understand

yeah, that. but beyond just the environmental issue, there's the larger crypto pyramid scheme being further 'legitimized' particularly with artists like Beeple and Aphex and so forth 'buying into it'. crypto of any sort is basically creating a whole brand new means of destroying the environment (but they're already doing it! isn't an excuse) and is on track to become a new speculative/betting/trading/stocks market, which is of course Not A Good Thing (as it further perpetuates big winners and 'random' loser mentality that Western society/perhaps-capitalism-as-a-whole is so in love with).

 

further reading in the NFT thread and Zeff's cryptocurrency will save humanity threads of course.

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12 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

if someone really wanted to criticize which types of software are being produced and who is using them, you'd have more deep critiques, like why we for instance allow so many mass distributed supercomputers being used against us by the ruling class.

If you’re referring to Google Facebook Amazon etc and all their surveillance capitalism that ship has sailed. The market spoke. People are happy to trade their data for making global communication frictionless. It’s not like those companies created those services without demand.

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1 hour ago, hijexx said:

If you’re referring to Google Facebook Amazon etc and all their surveillance capitalism that ship has sailed. The market spoke. People are happy to trade their data for making global communication frictionless. It’s not like those companies created those services without demand.

 

wrong, those companies are there because of entrenched monopolies created through many unethical and illegal methods

12 hours ago, cern said:

The Flashbulb:
 

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You could have just waited for proof of stake blockchain instead of irretrievably bolting your art to the destruction of our planet. But yeah thoughts and prayers'll do.
 
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liberals are so pathetic critiquing blockchains destroying our planet instead of the lack of a state acting on behalf of the wellbeing of the planet.  ask the state why power plants are able to be built on coal, not the technology using that power in the end.  plus, cryptocurrency energy usage is literally nothing compared to other issues like the energy usage associated with the production and transportation of meat.  the amount of hypocrisy in these virtue signalling liberals is enough to make you puke

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the economic incentives of cryptocurrencies lays bare what has always been.  every negative aspect you observe, critique, and detest about cryptocurrencies already exists embedded within capitalism itself.  if you critique cryptocurrencies for any reason you must, for completeness, apply that same critique to capitalism, and you will find capitalism in both its current implementation and its generalized results observed across time by its various critics generate the same issues.  lack of access to scarce resource creating a moneyed class at the top, perverse economic incentives creating seemingly absurd behavior like NFTs or complex just-in-time supply chains for essential medical equipment, the list can go on.  cryptocurrencies can't be critiqued in a vacuum as the critique is inherently ecological, economic, political, and class oriented, and yet I'm not seeing the same veracity of critiques placed upon the capitalism in which cryptocurrencies are developing and finding their properties manipulated.  such liberalism has no place in any critical discourse on capitalism, which is what a critique of cryptocurrencies is

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critiquing the purchase of nothing?  well you are purchasing nothing already.  you are purchasing nothing when you purchase a internet service since the ISPs can handle all of our traffic already with surplus.  you are purchasing nothing when you purchase digital music since we could distribute it freely online.  you are purchasing nothing when you purchase a subscription to an online service since it could be provided for nothing. 

 

you hate NFTs because they give you a peak into bourgeois social behavior involving the spending of massive quantities of money on essentially nothing.  you're angry because it's disgusting and you're falling for the scapegoat of cryptocurrency itself for such decadent bourgeois behavior, rather than critiquing the social position of the bourgeoisie itself - asking where these people are getting such massive quantities of money to begin with, and trying to figure out how to prevent it

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you "oppose" the centralization of wealth in the hands of early cryptocurrency adopters and yet you do not oppose it in any meaningful way brushing nearly upon for instance widespread propagation of trade unions, worker control of the product of their labor, or any other methods to counteract such wealth centralization and the resulting class structure.  your words "oppose" it and yet allow it to exist.  if you don't want it to exist you must find out how to stop it from existing, and you're not going to stop the technology.  it's immutable, it's mathematically defined and was predestined to be invented since the inception of the reality itself.  what must be changed is human behavior surrounding knowledge of its existence.  if you want it transcended you must move to a point where money does not create these behaviors anymore, or in other words transcend money, through its abolition, through communism

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