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21 minutes ago, Bob Dylan said:

It's just fake, it's all lies.

what is tho? like, specifically, exactly. what's being lied about, by who, when?

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We've been discussing this for the past 15 years on WATMM (well since that fucking pitchfork review), him trying to push his loops into the zeitgeist of modern music.  Now a ... documentary? fucking zelol

Image sells.

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3 minutes ago, Bob Dylan said:

We've been discussing this for the past 15 years on WATMM (well since that fucking pitchfork review), him trying to push his loops into the zeitgeist of modern music.  Now a ... documentary? fucking zelol

Image sells.

where are the lies though? is Basinski lying about something? if so, what? when did he lie?

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13 minutes ago, auxien said:

where are the lies though? is Basinski lying about something? if so, what? when did he lie?

Also who cares lol

even if it’s all lies....have we ever heard of aphex twin?

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On 3/22/2021 at 12:08 PM, Amen Lare said:

 

initially i thought this was going to be a Mr. Show sketch because the hair and eyebrows.. then i realized i'm jealous because why do some people get so much hair and others so little? i know the answer is genes but really.. he's not using all that hair.  have you donated a hair lately?

I think i'd rather read reviews of Law & Order episodes than read reviews of music. 

I've not heard the Disintegration Loops but i've heard people talk about them. i'd watch the doc maybe because seems like there's some interiew time w/william basinski which might be interesting. 

 

14 minutes ago, Alcofribas said:

Also who cares lol

even if it’s all lies....have we ever heard of aphex twin?

you mean the Original Tank Man?

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2 hours ago, Alcofribas said:

Also who cares lol

even if it’s all lies....have we ever heard of aphex twin?

people aren't allowed to make up accusations on the internet, it is illegal and the cops have been notified on this "Bob Dylan" person since he cannot prove that the thing stated is true. i hope he has a very good lawyer. not that it will help becAUSE WE HAVE PROOF! 

1 hour ago, ignatius said:

I think i'd rather read reviews of Law & Order episodes than read reviews of music. 

I've not heard the Disintegration Loops

it's basically this but slower

 

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the guy is just doing his own thing. every now and then someone comes over and simply manages to push the right buttons. and that's what he did, through his music and imagery he felt should be associated with it. he's not trying to push his music into the zeitgeist, he already did, and the fact that so many people talk about it, either good or bad, just proves it. not only that, but - character judgement aside - the pieces of art that strike a chord in the cultural zeitgeist are usually the polarizing ones.

I mean, it was also a matter of timing, this combination of factors came out just as pitchfork was beginning, which by itself is polarizing enough. so his album being such a controversial part of their own story which became a egotistical tirade of sorts between some pretty self-absorbed people only adds value to it.

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The work is linked to the historic event merely by synchronicity. While the synchronicity may have profound meaning to the artist who experienced both these events in that very moment, the significance doesn't necessarily translate well from the subjective to the objective realm. The two success factors here are simply that 1) people buy in to the back story and 2) the historic event was so outrageous and tragic. The work itself is close to irrelevant.

For my part I think it's 1) bullshit and 2) tacky as hell.

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15 minutes ago, Silent Member said:

Sure sure, but does it warrant a documentary where the myth surrounding the recording is glorified?

I haven't watched it, but it's probably just porn for academic high brow nerds to jerk off to

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3 hours ago, psn said:

The work is linked to the historic event merely by synchronicity. While the synchronicity may have profound meaning to the artist who experienced both these events in that very moment, the significance doesn't necessarily translate well from the subjective to the objective realm. The two success factors here are simply that 1) people buy in to the back story and 2) the historic event was so outrageous and tragic. The work itself is close to irrelevant.

these are facts

3 hours ago, psn said:

For my part I think it's 1) bullshit and 2) tacky as hell.

and these are opinions

good job being a thinking adult and being able to separate them

 

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For all basinski’s shameless apologists in this thread:

”you can’t handle the truth!”

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Hey, it’s works!

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my takeaways from all of this

  • disintegration loops in 2001/2002 is basically what all of the artists were listening to
  • this is music that is influencing new music being made
  • music that arises at certain moments gathers a weight from that moment.
  • it's not easy as an artist to connect your work to tragedy because you run the risk of saying "i'm turning something tragic into an aesthetic experience"
  • william basinski is an ambient artist elevated to a modern composer who is like an icon
  • we cant go back to the loop that we had yesterday, in the same way we can't really know what the loop tomorrow will be
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8 hours ago, psn said:

The work itself is close to irrelevant.

i don't understand this. how can a work of art be relevant in itself? relevance has to do with the way it is appreciated by an audience one way or another, no? 

 

8 hours ago, psn said:

While the synchronicity may have profound meaning to the artist who experienced both these events in that very moment, the significance doesn't necessarily translate well from the subjective to the objective realm.

i think this comes close to nailing what the issue is all about. i would only modify it by saying that it's not the "objective realm" but rather whether other people also experience it subjectively as meaningful. i think the tendency to make objective claims about the value of art is weird. i cannot tell you how many times over the years people have disparaged the music i'm into by saying it's "not music," it's "just noise," it's "not serious" or whatever. it's ok to just not like something without claiming reality itself supports your views. facts don't care about tape loops.

additionally i think there are also people, such as myself, who don't really regard the 9/11 aspect as fundamental to appreciating the music. it's possible i got into it early enough that the years of this story saturating the discussion didn't really warp my perceptioon too much. it's an interesting story and part of the overall picture of basinski as a person but it's not like i've ever listened to this stuff and been like "wow man this is so 9/11." they're just some depressing loops to put on when the mood strikes.

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Wow. Alcofribas in full attack mode is surely an impressive spectacle to behold. Like an aerial dogfight with squadrons of jet fighters setting the sky ablaze ☄️ 

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5 minutes ago, beerwolf said:

Wow. Alcofribas in full attack mode is surely an impressive thing to behold. Like an aerial dogfight with squadrons of jet fighters setting the sky ablaze ☄️ 

It's like attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion, C-beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

All those moments will be lost in time, like loops in the rain.

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24 minutes ago, Alcofribas said:

i don't understand this. how can a work of art be relevant in itself? relevance has to do with the way it is appreciated by an audience one way or another, no? 

I didn't mean the intrinsic relevance of the work itself, rather its relevance as a factor in successfully communicating Disintegration Tapes to the world. 

 

29 minutes ago, Alcofribas said:

i think this comes close to nailing what the issue is all about. i would only modify it by saying that it's not the "objective realm" but rather whether other people also experience it subjectively as meaningful. i think the tendency to make objective claims about the value of art is weird.

Yeah, something like that. I was referring loosely to Jungian theory.

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8 hours ago, Berk said:

I was just sitting here enjoying my life. And then this tape loop ASSHOLE showed up

still the best answer imo tbfh

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7 minutes ago, psn said:

I didn't mean the intrinsic relevance of the work itself, rather its relevance as a factor in successfully communicating Disintegration Tapes to the world. 

 

Yeah, something like that. I was referring loosely to Jungian theory.

gotcha. I’m basically in full agreement here, only I enjoy the loops lol

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