Marxist thought

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23 minutes ago, Braintree said:

Yeah, and the nazis described their party as "national socialists." The Chinese government calls their main party communist. Neither of those are true.d

To put it plainly, when you have a figurehead that's calling the shots (especially when those decisions are made against the interest of its people) then that is not communism. It's not even socialism.

i see your point but i'm also seeing that the dictator was trying to achieve communism and had a kind of socialist ideology. i guess let's ignore that

[chenGOD]

29 minutes ago, Braintree said:

The Chinese government calls their main party communist. Neither of those are true

Don't tell Zeff that. lol (I'm not disagreeing with you)

[Braintree]

2 minutes ago, very honest said:

i see your point but i'm also seeing that the dictator was trying to achieve communism and had a kind of socialist ideology. i guess let's ignore that

The ideology isn't really the important part. Or what they call themselves. It's their actions. If they don't structure their economy and government to benefit the working class, then it isn't socialist. Remember that socialism requires democracy.

[zlemflolia]

1 hour ago, very honest said:

oh hey cambodia's genocide was also communist

@cyanobacteria have you researched ways into north korea?

hitler was capitalist

1 hour ago, chenGOD said:

This is very myopic thinking.

You still haven't answered my question. It's a straightforward question.

dont see any questions in this post

[zlemflolia]

the lack of comprehension of what communism even is is really annoying.  it's not a thing you can just do if you choose to.  it's a mode of production.

[Satans Little Helper]

47 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

the lack of comprehension of what communism even is is really annoying.  it's not a thing you can just do if you choose to.  it's a mode of suppression and regression.

finally

[prdctvsm]

communism is grounded in dialectical materialism.

capitalism is also a materialistic ideology.

both are inherently flawed, corruptible & it shd b p f obv rn that dogmas grounded in materialism cannot get the planet & its life out of the bunghole that they've got us into, imho.

Edited May 5, 2021 by prdctvsm
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[zlemflolia]

47 minutes ago, Satans Little Helper said:

finally

very low quality post

[zlemflolia]

47 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

communism is grounded in dialectical materialism.

capitalism is also a materialistic ideology.

both are inherently flawed, corruptible & it shd b p f obv rn that dogmas grounded in materialism cannot get the planet & its life out of the bunghole that they've got us into, imho.

marx did not invent communism.

[Satans Little Helper]

2 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

very low quality post

welcome to communist standards of posting, comrad. also had to make sure i follow your lead in terms of quality. there's no difference in class here, right?

[prdctvsm]

6 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

marx did not invent communism.

so , & ?

 

[zlemflolia]

23 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

so , & ?

 

so how exactly can the communist mode of production be based in an invention of marx if it was invented before him?

34 minutes ago, Satans Little Helper said:

welcome to communist standards of posting, comrad. also had to make sure i follow your lead in terms of quality. there's no difference in class here, right?

no idea what the point of this post is.  i'm not going to reply to ones like this anymore

Edited May 5, 2021 by cyanobacteria

[prdctvsm]

9 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

so how exactly can the communist mode of production be based in an invention of marx if it was invented before him?

marx (& co)'s work helped define communism as we now know it today , & as an ideology it is grounded in dialectical materialism , despite collectivity existing for millennia.

while agreeing w. many aspects of communism , i feel that any materialistic ideology is

1 hour ago, prdctvsm said:

inherently flawed, corruptible & it shd b p f obv rn that dogmas grounded in materialism cannot get the planet & its life out of the bunghole that they've got us into, imho.

 

[zlemflolia]

13 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

marx (& co)'s work helped define communism as we now know it today , & as an ideology it is grounded in dialectical materialism , despite collectivity existing for millennia.

while agreeing w. many aspects of communism , i feel that any materialistic ideology is

 

oh really.  so we need idealism then.  well we've been living with it for ages.  capitalism is idealism.  it's based on an idealist bourgeois philosophy which so far has not been materially demonstrated to actually achieve its aims in any of its biggest implementations.  the fact that the wealthiest capitalist nation on earth can't even house its homeless people is evidence of this.  your words here are idealism and useless

[prdctvsm]

f capitalism, & f communism.

22 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

your words here are idealism and useless

 

[zlemflolia]

7 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

f capitalism, & f communism.

 

so what do you prefer? this is meaningless youre just saying you hate everything.  what alternative mode of production are you proposing? feudalism?

you have to either find another you prefer or start inventing the new one

Edited May 5, 2021 by cyanobacteria

[prdctvsm]

15 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

so what do you prefer?

neither , both are forms of materialism & well past their use by date.

21 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

what alternative mode of production are you proposing? feudalism?

not proposing anything comrade , sry don't have the necessary qualifications !

22 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

you have to either find another you prefer or start inventing the new one

if u say so lol.

 

[zlemflolia]

34 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

neither , both are forms of materialism & well past their use by date.

not proposing anything comrade , sry don't have the necessary qualifications !

if u say so lol.

 

so you oppose materialism? do you oppose other materialist realms of study like science?

[zero]

hey @cyanobacteria, you seem to always do this thing where you assume that if a person doesn't believe in this, then they must believe in that. ex: if you aren't into communism, then you obviously are a supporter of capitalism. why do you do that? this seems like some computer level shit, thinking like old school commands and what not. is that really how you think other people think? are you so far down the rabbit hole brother, that you're losing touch with human emotion?

I really do give you props for sticking to this unpopular direction you are heading in. but man, if you think we here are the enemy, then I have no fucking idea how you survive out there with the rest of the clown show that are a billion times worse than watmm. 

[logakght]

once you understand marxism it is really difficult to not have intense hatred for capitalism

[chenGOD]

7 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

 

dont see any questions in this post

Man don't be obtuse, it's not becoming of you.

This question:

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So just to be super duper extra clear because I was born yesterday, you're saying that all capitalist nations are failing in providing the poor in their own countries things like housing, access to quality education, safe drinking water, access to healthcare, worker's rights, social security, and free speech, especially as compared with communism (even though, as you say, communism has never been implemented, but let's say with attempts at implementing communism such as the former USSR, or China up until 1978)? 

I note that wikipedia (garbage source I know) lists China, Vietnam, Laos, and Cuba as countries in the world where communism is the official state ideology, so maybe they would be good comparisons (even though China is not communist at all in their economic policy).

 

[zlemflolia]

22 minutes ago, zero said:

hey @cyanobacteria, you seem to always do this thing where you assume that if a person doesn't believe in this, then they must believe in that. ex: if you aren't into communism, then you obviously are a supporter of capitalism. why do you do that? this seems like some computer level shit, thinking like old school commands and what not. is that really how you think other people think? are you so far down the rabbit hole brother, that you're losing touch with human emotion?

I really do give you props for sticking to this unpopular direction you are heading in. but man, if you think we here are the enemy, then I have no fucking idea how you survive out there with the rest of the clown show that are a billion times worse than watmm. 

idk what youre talking about, you seem to be making generalizations about what i always do.  i have good and bad days, im just a person. sometimes i give long detailed replies, sometimes i tell someone to shut up

[chenGOD]

8 minutes ago, logakght said:

once you understand marxism it is really difficult to not have intense hatred for capitalism

I understand marxism just fine and don't have an intense hatred for capitalism. I do have an intense hatred for greed/lust for power though.

[zlemflolia]

3 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

Man don't be obtuse, it's not becoming of you.

This question:

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So just to be super duper extra clear because I was born yesterday, you're saying that all capitalist nations are failing in providing the poor in their own countries things like housing, access to quality education, safe drinking water, access to healthcare, worker's rights, social security, and free speech, especially as compared with communism (even though, as you say, communism has never been implemented, but let's say with attempts at implementing communism such as the former USSR, or China up until 1978)? 

I note that wikipedia (garbage source I know) lists China, Vietnam, Laos, and Cuba as countries in the world where communism is the official state ideology, so maybe they would be good comparisons (even though China is not communist at all in their economic policy).

 

capitalism does not in general intend to provide ANYTHING for the poor, because capitalism gives to the rich access to the means of production, and you cannot make profit off the poor since they have nothing to give, they become left in the peripheral of society. the only time it gives to the poor is if they can be worked in a way that allows surplus labor extraction.  the poor live on the charity of the rich under capitalism.  the biggest capitalist nations have high homeless populations, lack of access to decent education, lack of decent healthcare

im not making some big controversial claim when i say the ussr and china didnt achieve communism.  how can you say they did? they arent stateless classless moneyless society they did not achieve communism.  are they led by communists? ya.  its not some easy goal, marxists are not utopians thinking you just do this and that and get it, it's a BIG goal.  capitalists dont care to entertain the idea.  socialists at least try

“It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.

Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.”

― Joseph Stalin

i just want things to be better for everyone, every single person. capitalists dont give a shit, its not worth the effort to them i guess because they want muh freedoms, for the rich

 

[zlemflolia]

5 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

I understand marxism just fine and don't have an intense hatred for capitalism. I do have an intense hatred for greed/lust for power though.

i want power, i want to become absolute dictator of the world right now, so i can forcibly redistribute wealth and resources to those who need it, seize vacant properties owned by landlords waiting for renters and give it to the homeless, seize the supply chains of food producers and distribute the food where it needs to go, start rationing food worldwide rather than allowing rich countries to waste it, forcibly take all "intellectual property" from all companies and put it on the internet for any country to start producing COVID vaccines if they need it, things like this, if you cant be even a little creative youre just not looking hard enough for problems.  you have an intense hatred for greed/lust for power? then why not capitalism which is DEFINED by that? it bakes it into its assumptions of human behavior