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Dude who went off during that local govt meeting San Diego got the treatment. Does not disappoint




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4 hours ago, Rubin Farr said:

Comirnaty and Spikevax, who the fuck came up with these names, their kids?

Nah, if Zoomers named drugs it would all be like “Yeetwap” and “Fuccligma” and shit. 

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4 hours ago, Rubin Farr said:

Comirnaty and Spikevax, who the fuck came up with these names, their kids?

Comirnaty is an old name by now. It was already called that in December 2020 when EMA gave the conditional marketing authorization. My vaccine passport also called it Comirnaty back in May.

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1 hour ago, baph said:

Nah, if Zoomers named drugs it would all be like “Yeetwap” and “Fuccligma” and shit. 

Candice.

"got your Candice yet?"

"what's Candice?"

*Annihilation music plays as GP looks smugly at patient*

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Incidentally one of the senior scientists involved with the development of Moderna's vaccine is an anonymous furry who has her MBTI and star sign in her Twitter bio. She's pretty awesome, too.

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Would It Be Fair to Treat Vaccinated Covid Patients First?

Last week, Texas health care policymakers discussed taking vaccination status into account for Covid triage. It’s a larger conversation ethicists are bracing for.

https://www.wired.com/story/would-it-be-fair-to-treat-vaccinated-covid-patients-first/

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1 hour ago, ignatius said:

Would It Be Fair to Treat Vaccinated Covid Patients First?

Last week, Texas health care policymakers discussed taking vaccination status into account for Covid triage. It’s a larger conversation ethicists are bracing for.

https://www.wired.com/story/would-it-be-fair-to-treat-vaccinated-covid-patients-first/

I didn't have the time to read the entire piece, but I got a bunch of red flags while skimming through. Red flags which have more to do with the quality of the journalism behind this piece.

Reason is that vaccination status can be useful information for a number of reasons. One reason I didn't see mention was the greater risk of increased medical needs from patients who haven't been vaccinated. It's likely the disease will progress differently in those patients. And in terms of medical decisions this is important to take into account. Which is a completely different perspective than the ethical perspective this article implies (=with limited resources, should we pick vaccinated people over unvaccinated?).

In the end, from a medical perspective, taking vaccination status into account might end up with the opposite of what this article is trying to argue. The odds are higher that unvaccinated end up in ICU. So it might be even preferable - from a pure medical point of view - to take vaccination status into account and move the unvaccinated to the ICU, while the vaccinated can stay longer out of ICU.

And to make it more complex, it might even go both ways. In some circumstances, a vaccinated person will get a certain kind of treatment while an unvaccinated patient does not. But this is simply because the expected outcomes of a certain treatment is different for the various kinds of patients.

Or put differently, vaccination status will likely be a relevant factor in predicting the outcome of a disease/treatment. And this article doesn't appear to do this medical complexity any justice. (Which is understandable, imo, because regular media are awful and/or not even suited for discussing these complex medical issues.)

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5 minutes ago, Satans Little Helper said:

I didn't have the time to read the entire piece, but I got a bunch of red flags while skimming through. Red flags which have more to do with the quality of the journalism behind this piece.

Reason is that vaccination status can be useful information for a number of reasons. One reason I didn't see mention was the greater risk of increased medical needs from patients who haven't been vaccinated. It's likely the disease will progress differently in those patients. And in terms of medical decisions this is important to take into account. Which is a completely different perspective than the ethical perspective this article implies (=with limited resources, should we pick vaccinated people over unvaccinated?).

In the end, from a medical perspective, taking vaccination status into account might end up with the opposite of what this article is trying to argue. The odds are higher that unvaccinated end up in ICU. So it might be even preferable - from a pure medical point of view - to take vaccination status into account and move the unvaccinated to the ICU, while the vaccinated can stay longer out of ICU.

And to make it more complex, it might even go both ways. In some circumstances, a vaccinated person will get a certain kind of treatment while an unvaccinated patient does not. But this is simply because the expected outcomes of a certain treatment is different for the various kinds of patients.

Or put differently, vaccination status will likely be a relevant factor in predicting the outcome of a disease/treatment. And this article doesn't appear to do this medical complexity any justice. (Which is understandable, imo, because regular media are awful and/or not even suited for discussing these complex medical issues.)

it's Wired so you never know what you're gonna get. i'm sure people get asked if they're vaccinated when being admitted for covid.. or even seen in the ER. as to whether that moves them up the line for being treated.... well.. i guess they're trying to make some moral judgement. seems dicey at best.  hospitals do have ehtics boards but i think "do no harm" is still the first part of the doctor's oath. 

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all the vectors came together in a bad way for israel.  right the point of when the vaccine starts to lose efficacy they dropped all restrictions.. bunch of vacationers left/returned and brought the delta variant. oops. 

booster shot is mandatory yo.  gotta keep the antibodies humming. hoping we get a new version of the vaccine to account for more variants. so it goes. wear a mask. be smart. avoid crowds. use rubbers. clean hands. stay home. call your mom. clean your room. 

 

 

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Articles about this kind of thing need to start giving more specific info about the severity of breakthrough cases (number of fully vaccinated patients in ICU, fully vaccinated deaths), otherwise it can be hugely misleading. It seems the reality is that eventually COVID will just float around and millions of people will get it every year but not get horribly sick (as with the flu). We're probably another few years away from that, but I think that makes it all the more important to document specifics around severity/fatality for the vaccinated as we go.

Still waiting for news about those other vaccines that were being developed in pill and nasal spray forms. Those were supposed to be better equipped to work against future variants. No news anywhere - must still be in clinical trials. Fingers crossed. It could be a game changer.

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5 minutes ago, toaoaoad said:

Articles about this kind of thing need to start giving more specific info about the severity of breakthrough cases (number of fully vaccinated patients in ICU, fully vaccinated deaths), otherwise it can be hugely misleading. It seems the reality is that eventually COVID will just float around and millions of people will get it every year but not get horribly sick (as with the flu). We're probably another few years away from that, but I think that makes it all the more important to document specifics around severity/fatality for the vaccinated as we go.

Still waiting for news about those other vaccines that were being developed in pill and nasal spray forms. Those were supposed to be better equipped to work against future variants. No news anywhere - must still be in clinical trials. Fingers crossed. It could be a game changer.

yeah.. i think it said 350 deaths but didn't give vaccination status. daily beast and many others love to be 'panic porn' though i think the messaging is overall good to remind people to be vigilant and understand that we're in new territory of a dynamic type situation. 

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29 minutes ago, ignatius said:

all the vectors came together in a bad way for israel.  right the point of when the vaccine starts to lose efficacy they dropped all restrictions.. bunch of vacationers left/returned and brought the delta variant. oops. 

booster shot is mandatory yo.  gotta keep the antibodies humming. hoping we get a new version of the vaccine to account for more variants. so it goes. wear a mask. be smart. avoid crowds. use rubbers. clean hands. stay home. call your mom. clean your room. 

 

 

Ultra-vaxxed Israel? I believe Israels degree of fully vaccinated people was around 56%. So even though they started their vaccination program much earlier than other countries, the degree is nowhere near "ultra-vaxxed".

(https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations or 63%)

 

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88,49% of all adult citizens in Flanders (the Dutch-speaking region in Belgium) are now fully vaccinated. (73,94% for all ages) Really good job! Slow but steady does it. Two thumbs up.

Brussels (the capitol of Belgium) is doing way less good unfortunately. 58% of all its adult citizens are fully vaccinated. (47,73% for all ages) Don't know the reason why the city has such a low vaccination-rate. Some say it's mostly people with a low income who have a problem getting vaccinated or don't want to get vaccinated. That's a bit of a problem.

Of all covid-19-patients now in hospitals 97% is not vaccinated or not fully vaccinated. The vaccines really seem to suppress the severity of the disease.

Total confirmed covid-19-infections are slowly going back up again though. Mostly the delta-variant. Also probably due to people going on holiday and the easing of covid-19 measures.

Feeling optimistic.

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On 8/12/2021 at 12:20 PM, dcom said:

Arnold Schwarzenegger | screw your freedom and wear mask

 

looks like Arnie's bodybuilding bros didn't appreciate his candor here. hopefully he doesn't lose too much sleep over it:

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/569148-sponsor-drops-schwarzenegger-over-anti-mask-rant

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"We elected to discontinue support due to Arnold’s comment, ‘Screw Your Freedoms.’ With the global influence Arnold beholds we find that ideology dangerous and anti-America and community." 

 

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54 minutes ago, MaartenVC said:

Brussels (the capitol of Belgium) is doing way less good unfortunately. 58% of all its adult citizens are fully vaccinated. (47,73% for all ages) Don't know the reason why the city has such a low vaccination-rate. Some say it's mostly people with a low income who have a problem getting vaccinated or don't want to get vaccinated. That's a bit of a problem.

having lived in brussels for several years, this is likely the case imo. 

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BC made masks mandatory indoors and on public transit again, and put a bunch of measures in place for K-12 schools again too. Proof of vaccination will be required to get into various places starting Sept 13 for one shot and Oct 24 for both shots.
 

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