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I think everyone should just stop reacting in any way to the sewer-spewing. Give them nothing back. Zero. Zilch. Nada. No replies, no quotes, no reaction emoji. Not even a single facepalm. An anechoic void where they can scream, curse, whine and whimper to their heart's content and hear nothing but themselves. A discursive black hole. Futility bubble. Solipsistic confinement. Collective ghosting. A Faraday cage for bullshit. Do not acknowledge their existence. Oidashibeya.

They're psychic vampires. They feed on your insecurities and knee-jerk reactions. Don't invite them in. They will never concede, never capitulate, never be reasonable - there's only condescension, self-righteousness, complacency, and disrespect. Shun them.

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War is hell and its entirely possible that both sides have people prepared to do horrible things

Detailed analysis by BBC: "Does video show Russian prisoners being shot?"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60907259

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Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, said there would be an immediate investigation and added: "I would like to remind all our military, civilians and defence forces that abusing prisoners of war is a war crime."

Guardian: UN official concerned over videos showing apparent abuse of PoWs in Ukraine

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/29/un-official-concerned-over-videos-showing-apparent-abuse-of-pows-in-ukraine

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1 hour ago, dcom said:

I think everyone should just stop reacting in any way to the sewer-spewing. Give them nothing back. Zero. Zilch. Nada. No replies, no quotes, no reaction emoji. Not even a single facepalm. An anechoic void where they can scream, curse, whine and whimper to their heart's content and hear nothing but themselves. A discursive black hole. Futility bubble. Solipsistic confinement. Collective ghosting. A Faraday cage for bullshit. Do not acknowledge their existence. Oidashibeya.

They're psychic vampires. They feed on your insecurities and knee-jerk reactions. Don't invite them in. They will never concede, never capitulate, never be reasonable - there's only condescension, self-righteousness, complacency, and disrespect. Shun them.

thanks for this excellent post, it completely refutes the whining and tears of everyone in this thread.  90% of the posts surrounding me are NOT, I repeat, NOT made by me.  instead, weird people posting pictures of how they have me ignored and stuff.  if you guys genuinely wanted me gone you wouldn't repeat my content I post by literally quoting it and in fact reposting it yourselves.  i think you all love the spectacle and love patting yourself on the backs for making jokes about plugged noses and other spam.  its very disrespectful to the ukrainian victims of this very serious issue to spam the thread with such nonsense drama

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there's people pushing old videos as new things done by azov or other parties in ukraine. so if you come across anything think befor eyou repost etc. 

also here's some anarchist antifascists in ukraine. 

also, more than 13,000 people arrested at antiwar protests in russia

edit: also saw some reports of ukraine soldiers shooting russian soldiers in the leg after they're captured and have hands tied behind their backs. i think those are still being verified so could be bullshit but looks gruesome. there's no 'fair play' in any war i've ever read about. probably hard for undisciplined citizen soldiers to keep it together when russia is targeting civilians so broadly and word gets back to them as to what's happening... or just what they've seen etc. 

fuckn sucks. all of it. fuck putin for starting this shit. 

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5 hours ago, usagi said:

will be incredible if the Russians honour this de-escalation they're proposing.

Yeah, hoping against hope that it’s not just a ruse to reorganize and refresh supply lines. 

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Yeah, no way the Russians could've brought that shit for their propaganda videos, Ukrainians just spread that stuff haphazardly on the floor all over their base and walk on it. Anyway, it's completely irrelevant in discussing the Russian invasion. 

If this was WW2 you'd be the guy eating up all the anti Jewish propaganda, I'm sure of it. Get some fucking help. I'm sick of this shit. Why did I click. Sorry, but fuck off

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4 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

nice nazi rehabilitation article

video of inside mariupol azov base full of Nazi memorabilia

https://t.me/intelslava/23861

If you're actually serious - You've become what you are afraid of. You're so deep in shit town networks that you can't tell it's you eating the shit sandwich.

I don't want Russian propaganda stuffed down my throat on WATMM with telegram links instead of context, so goodbye, good riddance. Fear is the mind killer. 

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i'm considering a second Russia-Ukraine thread, specifically to talk about this topic without ilqx present.

is it a good idea? pls advice

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Just now, Satans Little Helper said:

Better to give him his own thread. And we keep this one instead.

Well, there's already the Marxism thread. But that clearly isn't working.

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7 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

nice nazi rehabilitation article

video of inside mariupol azov base full of Nazi memorabilia

https://t.me/intelslava/23861

The article was written by people who put their actual names to the thing they're writing.

Your video was produced by....?

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53 minutes ago, ambermonke said:

Well, there's already the Marxism thread. But that clearly isn't working.

It worked for a while. Until the "special operation" took off in Ukraine, that is. Perhaps rename it to the "Marxism and Putin is reasonable" thread? Or "Operation death to capitalism" or something. Or "Capitalism is for nazis". There, he can post about nazi's as much as he likes. And then, perhaps, this thread will actually be denazified. Ironically...

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interesting piece from a military historian. it's a week old, but good points nonetheless. will copy in the quote box in case it is paywalled.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/putin-doesnt-realize-how-much-warfare-has-changed/627600/

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Otto von Bismarck once said that only a fool learns from his own mistakes. “I learn from other people’s,” the 19th-century German chancellor said. Astonishingly, the Russian army is repeating the past mistakes of its Soviet predecessor. In April 1945, Marshal Georgy Zhukov, under intense pressure from Stalin, sent his tank armies into Berlin without infantry support. Vladimir Putin’s forces not only made the same error; they even copied the way their forebears had attached odd bits of iron—including bed frames—to their tanks’ turrets in the hopes that the added metal would detonate anti-tank weapons prematurely. This did not save the Russian tanks. It simply increased their profile and attracted Ukrainian tank-hunting parties, just as the Soviet tanks in Berlin had drawn groups of Hitler Youth and SS, who attacked them with Panzerfausts.

The Russian president’s distorted obsession with history, especially with the “Great Patriotic War” against Germany, has skewed his political rhetoric with bizarre self-contradictions. It has clearly affected his military approach. Tanks were a great symbol of strength during the Second World War. That Putin can still see them that way defies belief. The vehicles have proved to be profoundly vulnerable to drones and anti-tank weapons in recent conflicts in Libya and elsewhere; Azerbaijan’s ability to destroy Armenian tanks easily was essential to its 2020 victory in the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

Veronika Melkozerova: The Western world is in denial

Yet Putin seems to have learned as little as he has forgotten. In August 1968,

the Warsaw Pact forces entering Czechoslovakia were told by their political officers that they would be welcomed as liberators. They found themselves cursed, out of fuel, and hungry. Morale was shattered. Putin’s control of domestic media can hide the truth from most of the Russian population, but his conscripts, forced now to sign new contracts to turn them into volunteers, are all too aware of the reality.

His treatment of his own people is as pitiless as his treatment of his enemies. The army even brought a mobile crematorium to Ukraine to dispose of Russian casualties in order to reduce the body-bag count going home. Putin’s Soviet predecessors had a similar disregard for their troops’ feelings. In 1945, the Red Army faced a number of mutinies. Frequently treated with contempt by officers and political departments, soldiers were ordered out at night into no-man’s-land not to retrieve the bodies of fallen comrades, but to strip them of their uniforms for reuse by replacement troops.

Another old pattern repeating itself in Ukraine is the Russian army’s reliance on heavy guns. In World War II, the Red Army bragged about the power of its artillery, which it called “the god of war.” In the Berlin operation, Zhukov’s artillery fired more than 3 million shells, destroying more of the city than the Allies’ strategic air offensive had. The Soviets used Katyusha rocket launchers, which German troops nicknamed “Stalin’s organ” for their howling sound, to kill any remaining defenders. While Putin’s conventional artillery smashes Ukrainian buildings open in the same old way to eliminate potential sniper positions, thermobaric ordnance—the devastating “vacuum bombs” that create a fireball that sucks the oxygen away from their targets—takes the place of the old Katyushas.

The Russians’ destruction of Grozny and Aleppo had already revealed how little their urban-conflict doctrine, unlike that of Western armed forces, has evolved since World War II. The international coalition that reclaimed the cities of Raqqa and Mosul from the Islamic State demonstrated a far more targeted approach, sealing off each city and then clearing it sector by sector.

Putin’s army is clearly not the Red Army, just as Putin’s Russia is not the Soviet Union. Institutional corruption across the government has affected everything, even with officers profiting off of the sale of spare parts and ignoring logistic support in favor of prestige projects. While Ukrainian defenders are destroying Cold War–era Russian T-72 tanks like ducks in a row, the Russian priority has been to reserve enough money to pay for the next generation of high-tech Armata tanks. Yet the Armata can still do little more than trundle across Red Square in Victory Day parades every May 9 to impress the crowds and foreign media. On the battlefield, it would suffer exactly the same fate as the T-72s.

Elite units, paratroopers, and Spetsnaz special forces still exist within the Russian military, but they can achieve little on their own in the chaos of bad command and control. The lack of foresight involved in the introduction of the Russian army’s new Era encrypted-communications system would have been much harder to believe in the more rigorous Soviet days, when such mistakes were severely punished. Supposedly secure, it relies on 3G towers—which Russia destroyed when it invaded Ukraine. Because the system is simply not working, Russian officers have to communicate in open speech by cellphone, as gleeful Ukrainian volunteers listen in.

 

The 2008 invasion of Georgia, which dealt a setback to the small former Soviet republic but revealed incompetence and weakness on Russia’s part, led to plans to reequip and reform Putin’s armed forces. Those efforts have manifestly failed. This says a good deal about the lack of idealism, probity, and sense of duty within his regime. How this can change at such a late and crucial stage in the Ukraine invasion is very hard to see.

At Stalingrad in late 1942, the Red Army surprised itself and the world with a sudden turnaround, and there are indications that Putin’s forces are adjusting their tactics and preparing two major strategic envelopments, around Kyiv and in eastern Ukraine. An almost Stalinist determination to right the Russian military—backed by the execution of deserters and failing officers—could well extend the conflict in a bloodbath of relentless, grinding destruction.

Against all prewar expectations, though, a Russian military collapse also looks possible. A complete disintegration of morale could lead to a humiliating withdrawal, a potentially devastating result of Putin’s inability to part with the Soviet past.

 

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