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#4526 usagi

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 12:06 AM

I'll have a look-see.



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Posted 22 February 2019 - 12:19 AM



edit: ^ the problem is that the technological aspect has an intense influence of everything else, especially socially. I don't think it can realistically be ignored if you want to capture the times.

Right, that's a hard point to refute. But maybe I'd rather examine the relevant aspects of it in a more abstract way? Kind of like what Black Mirror does I guess.

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 12:31 AM

reading 'the invisible book' by sergei dovlatov. I usually avoid reading translations when the prose or style is a big part of the appeal such as in this case (apparently he wrote so that no two words in a given sentence started with the same letter), but I'll make exceptions. Also I doubt I'm never going to learn russian, so if i've to choose between reading a translation or not reading it at all, and I'm interested enough, i'm getting the translation. Still can't shake the feeling I'm reading an interpretation (which I am) and not the real thing.

 

On that same note I got a collection of edgar allan poe's short stories translated by Cortazar (Hopscotch, etc) and it's really fun reading comparing his translation to the originals



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Posted 22 February 2019 - 12:33 AM

what I'm really looking for is contemporary writing that captures the "now", the zeitgeist, to use such a wanky word. I want to read stuff that, through the mirror of fiction, expounds on the world we're living in right now, especially people's inner lives and their thoughts and feelings. that's what I'm looking for, and I have no idea where to start.


read ready player one to get a feeling of the cultural hellscape the average western man lives in

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 01:50 AM

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 01:54 AM

if it doesn't incorporate actual meme images in its printed text, I'm not interested.



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Posted 22 February 2019 - 02:23 AM

Usagi, you haven’t read any William Gibson? Neal Stephenson? Both contemporary writers that are pretty enjoyable. Maybe you meant just fiction, and not SF, and I misunderstood, in which case ignore me.


yes I have pretty much every Gibson book except for the last one, yes I've read Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon and am not inclined to read Anathem or anything later than that, and also yes that I generally meant non-SF (though SF is also welcome).

what I'm really looking for is contemporary writing that captures the "now", the zeitgeist, to use such a wanky word. I want to read stuff that, through the mirror of fiction, expounds on the world we're living in right now, especially people's inner lives and their thoughts and feelings. that's what I'm looking for, and I have no idea where to start. who out there is writing good stories about the present social, psychological, political and technological state of the world, in fiction? who are the new names who will be remembered the way, say, Fitzgerald was remembered for capturing his time?

I will read Pynchon/Gravity's Rainbow but that's from 1973 still.

Ah gotcha. Will say that both Gibson’s The Peripheral and Stephenson’s Seveneve and Reamde are all worth the time.

As for the type of stuff you’re looking for, try r/books

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 03:07 AM



what I'm really looking for is contemporary writing that captures the "now", the zeitgeist, to use such a wanky word. I want to read stuff that, through the mirror of fiction, expounds on the world we're living in right now, especially people's inner lives and their thoughts and feelings. that's what I'm looking for, and I have no idea where to start. who out there is writing good stories about the present social, psychological, political and technological state of the world, in fiction? who are the new names who will be remembered the way, say, Fitzgerald was remembered for capturing his time?


You could check out Book of Numbers by Joshua Cohen. It's a blisteringly modern book which pretty much has the "now" infused into every sentence. He has quite a similar style to DFW with that hyper-analytical detail and the ability to drop incredibly niche references to a massive variety of fields.

I should say though, I really hated it. I can't quite place what it was that turned me off so much, but by the end I just felt pissed off and relieved to be done. Still though, that could just be personal preference and it might fit your description pretty well.

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 05:21 AM

what I'm really looking for is contemporary writing that captures the "now", the zeitgeist, to use such a wanky word. I want to read stuff that, through the mirror of fiction, expounds on the world we're living in right now, especially people's inner lives and their thoughts and feelings. that's what I'm looking for, and I have no idea where to start. who out there is writing good stories about the present social, psychological, political and technological state of the world, in fiction?

Feeling this... minus the technological, though. I wouldn't mind something that kind of ignored cell phones, for example. I'm so tired of cell phones both in reality and in media. Maybe I do want to escape a bit, but in a way that makes me feel more compelled to live more meaningfully, instead of being the literary equivalent of Doritos.

Maybe this is bleedingly obvious, but ... Houellebecq?

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 08:16 AM



what I'm really looking for is contemporary writing that captures the "now", the zeitgeist, to use such a wanky word. I want to read stuff that, through the mirror of fiction, expounds on the world we're living in right now, especially people's inner lives and their thoughts and feelings. that's what I'm looking for, and I have no idea where to start. who out there is writing good stories about the present social, psychological, political and technological state of the world, in fiction?

Feeling this... minus the technological, though. I wouldn't mind something that kind of ignored cell phones, for example. I'm so tired of cell phones both in reality and in media. Maybe I do want to escape a bit, but in a way that makes me feel more compelled to live more meaningfully, instead of being the literary equivalent of Doritos.
Maybe this is bleedingly obvious, but ... Houellebecq?
Not bleedingly obvious; you're overestimating how well-read I am ;) The Possibility of an Island looks really interesting, thanks!

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 08:38 AM

He has a new one out, won't be out in English til September though.



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Posted 22 February 2019 - 11:59 AM

 

Not bleedingly obvious; you're overestimating how well-read I am ;) The Possibility of an Island looks really interesting, thanks!

 

 

Ha ... in France Houellebecq is apparently the only author people read who don't read books. According to the literary establishment, which sort of looks down on him.

 

It's not that bad here in the Netherlands, but yes, Houellebecq is pretty much the only contemporary author I still bother with, so maybe there's some truth in that.

 

Anyway, enjoy the book. It's the least topical of his novels, I think, which might be good.



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Posted 22 February 2019 - 08:44 PM

Usagi, you haven’t read any William Gibson? Neal Stephenson? Both contemporary writers that are pretty enjoyable. Maybe you meant just fiction, and not SF, and I misunderstood, in which case ignore me.

yes I have pretty much every Gibson book except for the last one, yes I've read Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon and am not inclined to read Anathem or anything later than that, and also yes that I generally meant non-SF (though SF is also welcome).

what I'm really looking for is contemporary writing that captures the "now", the zeitgeist, to use such a wanky word. I want to read stuff that, through the mirror of fiction, expounds on the world we're living in right now, especially people's inner lives and their thoughts and feelings. that's what I'm looking for, and I have no idea where to start. who out there is writing good stories about the present social, psychological, political and technological state of the world, in fiction? who are the new names who will be remembered the way, say, Fitzgerald was remembered for capturing his time?

I will read Pynchon/Gravity's Rainbow but that's from 1973 still.
Ah gotcha. Will say that both Gibson’s The Peripheral and Stephenson’s Seveneve and Reamde are all worth the time.

As for the type of stuff you’re looking for, try r/books

Would second The Peripheral. Gibson in much better (perhaps top) form after several books that put me to-zzzz

(Though believe there was a nice Chris Cunningham reference in Pattern Recognition)

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 08:48 PM

(Though believe there was a nice Chris Cunningham reference in Pattern Recognition)

Haha yes. When I was reading it, FFF always reminded me of WATMM.

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Posted 23 February 2019 - 01:41 PM

I didn’t mind that trilogy (Pattern Recognition, Spook County, and Zero History) but that’s cause I’m a sucker for Gibson. Also I thought it was a really interesting look at the modern world with just slight technology differences and how big power can move society.
Apparently his new book is a prequel/sequel to The Peripheral where hilllary won the 2016 election. Looking forward to it.

Usagi, you might give “The Shape of Water” a try. It’s by Guillermo del Toro and Daniel Kraus.

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Posted 23 February 2019 - 04:22 PM

I didn’t mind that trilogy (Pattern Recognition, Spook County, and Zero History) but that’s cause I’m a sucker for Gibson. Also I thought it was a really interesting look at the modern world with just slight technology differences and how big power can move society.
Apparently his new book is a prequel/sequel to The Peripheral where hilllary won the 2016 election. Looking forward to it.

Usagi, you might give “The Shape of Water” a try. It’s by Guillermo del Toro and Daniel Kraus.

 

Hey wait ... there's a sequel to Pattern Recognition?

 

Never really got into Gibson, but Pattern Recognition I could get into, probably because it wasn't so sci-fi-ish.

 

Might check that out, thanks.



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Posted 23 February 2019 - 04:49 PM

The Táin

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I'm starting The Táin



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Posted 02 March 2019 - 03:22 AM

Any of you Pynchon nuts listened to the podcast Death is Just Around the Corner? Just discovered it and listened to the first episode (episode 67). It begins with a proper deep dive on Inherent Vice bringing Hardcore History levels of context to where Pynchon was coming from with the main themes of the novel. Really really brilliant stuff. Looks like he's done a pretty hefty series on Gravity's Rainbow as well.

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 03:24 AM

I did briefly listen to a podcast that was a group of pynchon nuts working their way through GR and discussing each section at length. I'll try to find out what that one was.

That sounds good I'll check it out.



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Posted 02 March 2019 - 03:37 AM

I did briefly listen to a podcast that was a group of pynchon nuts working their way through GR and discussing each section at length. I'll try to find out what that one was.
That sounds good I'll check it out.

Ah you talking about Pynchon in Public by any chance? I've listened to that one a few times, and it is pretty good, but far more of a bookclub style. This one's just one guy and so far has focused more on the historical and political placing of the novel, rather than working through it chapter by chapter. Guy has really got that Pynchon sense of humour down as well.

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 04:18 AM

recently read all of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. 

a nice distraction. 



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Posted 02 March 2019 - 05:39 AM

 

I did briefly listen to a podcast that was a group of pynchon nuts working their way through GR and discussing each section at length. I'll try to find out what that one was.
That sounds good I'll check it out.

Ah you talking about Pynchon in Public by any chance? I've listened to that one a few times, and it is pretty good, but far more of a bookclub style. This one's just one guy and so far has focused more on the historical and political placing of the novel, rather than working through it chapter by chapter. Guy has really got that Pynchon sense of humour down as well.

 

 

If it's the one that starts with the recreation of one of the pynchon drinking songs then that's it yah.

Yeah one of the big differences I'd say between reading him back in the 70s and 80s and readin it today is you can google/wiki every obscure historical reference you don't get. It's much more illuminating that way.

Totally sends you down a rabbithole though.

I remember one thing I looked up in Vineland that was a cut of steak the Japanese named after a famous opera singer, and it was just a throwaway line with some characters ordering food while in Japan.



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Posted 02 March 2019 - 05:53 AM

I had the opportunity to visit the Sonoran desert last week, stopped at Frank Lloyd Wright's Taliesin West. Noticed a piano in one of his rooms and asked the tour guide about it (she was excellent). He played piano and insisted that all of his students learn music when studying architecture to learn about rhythm, tension, release, etc. - said in his autobiography that architecture was 'music frozen in space' - definitely reminded me of Autechre. Looking forward to checking out that autobiography, was curious if anyone read it or any other good books on architecture. I never really considered it as an art form at length, looks like it has a lot of potential for study and reflection. 


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Posted 02 March 2019 - 01:11 PM

I did briefly listen to a podcast that was a group of pynchon nuts working their way through GR and discussing each section at length. I'll try to find out what that one was.
That sounds good I'll check it out.

Ah you talking about Pynchon in Public by any chance? I've listened to that one a few times, and it is pretty good, but far more of a bookclub style. This one's just one guy and so far has focused more on the historical and political placing of the novel, rather than working through it chapter by chapter. Guy has really got that Pynchon sense of humour down as well.

If it's the one that starts with the recreation of one of the pynchon drinking songs then that's it yah.
Yeah one of the big differences I'd say between reading him back in the 70s and 80s and readin it today is you can google/wiki every obscure historical reference you don't get. It's much more illuminating that way.
Totally sends you down a rabbithole though.
I remember one thing I looked up in Vineland that was a cut of steak the Japanese named after a famous opera singer, and it was just a throwaway line with some characters ordering food while in Japan.
Hmm maybe not then, I don't remember that at all. If you remember the name of that one lemme know, I wanna do a GR reread at some point soon.

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Posted 04 March 2019 - 11:01 AM

Finally started Ghosts Of My Life the other day. So far he really nailed it.