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i don't understand most of this michael jackson "wow" stuff


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right on Sini, worshipping the cult of personality is 'dangerously' at an all time high....

 

the most famous man in the world is dead and all people can say is how much they loved him, made their lives better, that he was the Jesus of music but instead they love a dysfunctional, body image freak, who had a pet monkey named bubbles whom passed up sex with Brooke Shields...

 

Quincy Jones is the real hero...

 

speaking of the Beatles Rexy, I wonder who has the music now, hopefully LaToya!

 

damn, you know actually that brooke shields thing reminded me of a story i heard on some old obscure-ish documentary that'll probably get played again soon. back during the jackson 5 days when michael was approximately 14 his older brothers, who used to get mad roadpussy back in the day so much so that even daddy joe got the leftovers, decided that it was time for them to get their lil brother michael laid. so they got a cute groupie girl who obviously wanted michael and they grabbed michael and they tossed them into a room, threw the door closed, and managed to lock them in the room/barricade the door shut, occasionally hooting and being like "go michael go michael"

 

the girl, who was interviewed in her adulthood, said that even tho she was like OMFG michael started sweating and getting really creeped out and then began talking about jesus and essentially tried to convert her to whatever sect of christianity he's a part of (likely the first baptist church of 6th ave or something) and jesus this and that and yeah....

 

 

see either michael always was gay and then as time wore on he fancied kids because he saw a purity in kids / their lack of mental fortitude meant they couldnt scheme against him and it's probably a latent control issue... or well, the man got fucked up and burned out on pussy and gravitated towards kids. but like, if your endgame is 10 year old penises and assholes, you must not've been much of a fan of the pussy in the first place.

 

lol

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I'll sum up this for you quickly and succinctly: He sold a shitton of music, and is unlikely to be topped ever again (especially considering how the music industry is changing). Regardless of any of the things he did during his life was unpalatable to most, the fact remains he ranks up there with the Beatles as one of the greatest performers of all time.

 

no no no man i totally understand that it's a bit erga to read one of my ranty posts, but if you had you'd see that i said nothing that questioned the media coverage over it in and of itself. i mean i get that the guy from 79-94 was a force that did far more than just sell a shit-ton of records, as he got black people on MTV and the fact that the coolest guy on the planet was unquestionably a black guy, well for race relations that's htis and that... and selling 50something million odd copies of thriller will never happen again, namely because we've got more choices and our culture is that of one that regurgitates things from the past so quickly it'll turn you right round round round and etc...

 

what i don't get is why people have to feign that they're shocked that this happened, or that "we lost a legend today" or "the world will never be the same" --- the michael jackson that we both speak of in high regards was effectively gone since 1991 in my eyes, 1993 in the world's. he fell the fuck off so precipitously and unequivocally that he was perhaps the biggest transformation from "coolest motherfucker in the world" circa 82-83 to "creepiest motherfucker in the world" and you know i really do have a shit-ton of empathy for the guy and i do feel that his tale is one of genuine tragedy and it speaks volumes for what his father did to him and the family and you can look at hte fame the whole family is rich nowadays even after his death they've got a "compound" like the kennedys do, afterall... but if you're joe jackson you basically had to have one of your kids give up his fucking soul and ultimately his humanity to do it, and there's a very powerful philosophical question in there if it's worth it or not and of course everyone's gonna remember thriller and say but it sold so much did so much as'lfk;daslf;asd but when you get down to it, part of me thinks that michael jackson woulda gladly traded his life for that of a completely normal person, probably sometime around 1990 or so when he had to know that he was going down a path from which, evidently, he's the only person who could ever come back because this reminiscing is for the guy who was who he was in 1982, not the guy we've had since then. who knows.

 

the thing i'll always remember about michael jackson is the lesson that one can learn from him.... dream for the stars and become what you think you wanna be when you're nobody, but like, your humanity very well could be the price.

 

i don't understand why you are getting so pissed off about it Macaulay Culkin

 

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but like, if your endgame is 10 year old penises and assholes, you must not've been much of a fan of the pussy in the first place.

 

 

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quincy jones is by and large an overrated producer...

 

Has anyone here heard any of Quincy Jones' music from the 60's or 70's?

 

surely everyone's heard the sanford and son theme.

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quincy jones is by and large an overrated producer...

 

Has anyone here heard any of Quincy Jones' music from the 60's or 70's?

 

surely everyone's heard the sanford and son theme.

 

At the very least. The dude was working with/learning from a bunch of jazz greats before he was 20 years old and had built a name for himself way before working with Michael Jackson. Also, no one seems to talk about Rod Temperton's role in making Off the Wall and Thriller great.

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yeah but michael jackson was a fucking disgusting freak, anyone who is sad is an asshole idiot faggot loser

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people under 30 just don't get how BIG MJ was

 

over 30 here and i'm like sini says... who cares the guy's been irrelevant for 20 years.

 

the good music's still there for you but we are saved the shite he was still to make.

 

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i'm sick of the media coverage, but for a different reason. i sympathize with the motherfucker. throughout my life i've never stopped listening to michael jackson, never stopped being influenced by his style and his vision. the way the public just seemed to blindly jump on the bandwagon of hating on him and baselessly scrutinizing his life over the last few decades always rubbed me the wrong way and now for those same mofos to turn around talkin' bout "omg, actually, i LOVE michael jackson after all!" is just some bullshit.

 

all the allegations that he raped kids and wanted to be white, etc. - i just never bought into it. it doesn't make sense, psychologically, for someone to act the way he did considering many of his other actions in life. for one, if he was a pedo, then he's the world's least resourceful pedophile, which in itself is a bit of a contradiction. if he wanted to rape kids, he has every resource at his disposal to make that happen and to make it happen on the super DL. he could buy kids from cambodia and keep them in dungeons underneath his massive amusement park of a house if that was his shit. the logical progression for a pedophile is if you get caught once, you take that shit underground, you certainly don't make it more obvious and seek out high profile victims with families and people looking out for them. but then again, that's expecting people to use their brains and actually think about shit instead of just blindly following a trend, so i'm not surprised at all that people don't see the situation for what it is.

 

i could go on and on about this shit, but i'll just let phonte from little brother speak for me:

 

My Hero Ain't Molest Them Bitch Ass Kids: Phonte's teary-eyed tribute to The King

 

I haven't been compelled to blog in a long time.

 

In an era where everybody is twittering and text-messaging their lives away, a well-thought out essay that extends past 140 characters is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

 

But when our universe lost its brightest star on June 25, 2009, I felt a deep, overwhelming sadness that I haven't experienced in many years and I felt moved to say....something.

 

My hero, Michael Joseph Jackson, is dead.

 

Honestly I'm still trying to process it, almost like the loss of a much-loved family member. I mean, hell, to many of us Michael WAS family. Much like Nike, or Coca-Cola, or McDonalds, Michael Jackson wasn't so much a person as he was a living, breathing, American institution; a ubiquitous force that has seemingly existed forever and one that we couldn't imagine a world without. Seeing Michael onstage was less like watching a musician perform and more akin to witnessing a magician at work.

 

But contrary to his otherworldly stage presence and magical aura, the man we called The King of Pop proved to be a mere mortal. And now my hero, Michael Joseph Jackson, is dead.

 

What isn't dead, unfortunately, is the cloud of false accusations, unsubstantiated rumors, myths, slander, and outright lies that surround his life and his legacy. The greatest myth regarding Michael Jackson is that he was a pedophile who preyed on young children.

 

It is my belief now, just as it was 16 years ago, that the charges brought against Michael during his 1993 sexual abuse case were false. The allegations made by Jordan Chandler (the accuser) and his father Evan Chandler always seemed suspect to me for a few reasons:

 

1. Ask the average parent whether they'd want justice or money for their abused child and more than likely they'd say justice, if for no other reason than to protect their child (and other children) from a future attack. The fact that Evan Chandler was willing to essentially let Michael off the hook for a few million (reportedly 2-3), made their case seem like a well-orchestrated extortion attempt. In regards to the case, Evan was later caught on tape saying, "If I go through with this, I win big time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over." Notice that homeboy ain't mention jack shit about his son. So much for being a concerned father...

 

2. Generally when victims of abuse come out with allegations against someone, other victims come forward to corroborate their story (i.e. the Catholic Church scandal, where a few parties came forward and it later led to thousands).

 

Very rarely do child molesters stop at just one kid, or even two for that matter. An alleged pedophile with only two accusers is kinda like an alleged serial killer with only one body. Or an alleged sneaker addict with only two pairs of Jordans in his closet. It just doesn't make any logical sense, nor does it coincide with the recurring psychological characteristics of most people who fall into those categories.

 

In the case of Michael Jackson vs. the Chandler family, not a single corroborating witness could be found to help prosecute the case and after raids were conducted on several of Jackson's homes, no hard evidence of sexual abuse was gathered.

 

Michael later settled the Chandler case out of court, not as an admission of guilt, but at the behest of his lawyers and financial advisors who warned him that a criminal trial could cost him millions of dollars in legal fees, as well as the loss of hundreds of millions in touring and endorsement revenue. With the Chandler case finally over, Michael continued to tour and released his greatest hits package “HIStory” in 1995. Ten years later though, he would face another trial that, in my opinion, would be the one to literally and figuratively, kill him.

 

Martin Bashir’s heinous, Machiavellian documentary “Living With Michael Jackson” aired in 2003. It was in this documentary that Mike (albeit foolishly) talked about his fondness for sharing his bed with children, and was seen holding hands with a young boy. Shortly afterwards the young boy from the documentary, 13 year-old Gavin Arvizo (a cancer survivor who had all his medical bills paid for by Michael), accused him of sexual abuse.

 

When Mike’s case against Arvizo hit airwaves in 2005, I must admit that I had my doubts. Much like the Chris Rock joke, I too shook my head in disbelief and said “ANOTHER kid!?! Mike, what the fuck?!! How could you be THAT stupid?!?!” As the case unraveled though, the financial motivations of the accuser’s family became much more apparent.

 

Similar to the Chandler case from ‘93, the prosecution couldn’t produce any credible witnesses to corroborate Arvizo’s testimony against Michael. Many of the prosecution’s witnesses were either former employees of Michael who had financial disputes with him, or had criminal convictions themselves. Arvizo’s testimony contradicted previous statements he’d made to officials saying that nothing ever took place between him and Michael, and Arvizo’s mother Janet Arvizo, an eccentric woman with a prior conviction for welfare fraud, single-handedly killed the case with her flippant remarks on the witness stand and overall bizarre courtroom behavior.

 

Actor Macaulay Culkin came forward in Michael’s defense and testified that no inappropriate behavior ever took place during their many times together, as did many other associates who had spent time at Neverland. Ultimately, Michael emerged from the Arvizo case with a Not Guilty verdict on all counts, but it proved to be a pyrrhic victory. The damage was already done. In the court of popular opinion, The King of Pop was an unrepentant child molestor.

 

When defending Michael Jackson against his detractors, I am often asked if I would let one of my sons sleep over at his house. The answer is no. Shit, I wouldn't let my sons sleep over at YOUR house. But that doesn't make you a pedophile, it just makes me a concerned and protective dad who doesn’t leave his kids around people I personally don’t know well enough to trust.

 

When it came to children, the only thing Michael was guilty of in my opinion, was naivete. While cuddling in the bed with children isn't technically illegal, it does violate several social norms; norms that a man who dresses funny, lives at an amusement park and refers to himself as “Peter Pan” would certainly pay a higher price for breaking. When I hear the tales of Michael laying in bed with those children, watching movies, tickling, and engaging in general horseplay, it sounds less like the work of a pedophile and more like the actions of a man trying to experience a childhood he never had.

 

During his investigation for the Arvizo trial, Michael was examined by Dr. Stan Katz, a clinical psychologist who concluded that Michael didn’t fit the profile of a pedophile but instead that of a regressed 10 year old, an analysis which I agree with wholeheartedly. I mean after all, only a person with the simple, unsuspecting mind of a child could truly believe they could sleep in the same bed as their pre-pubescent buddies and not pay a price for it.

 

Still, the most saddening myth surrounding Michael’s life is that he was ashamed to be Black. During the mid 80’s, in the midst of his ever-changing skin complexion and facial features, popular opinion in the Black community was that Mike was a sellout. This was an opinion that would unfortunately haunt him for the rest of his life, but a closer look reveals quite the opposite.

 

As echoed by my man Scorpeze of the house music duo Windimoto in his excellent blog, Michael Jackson never tried to disown or separate himself from his Blackness at any point in his career. In fact, he was probably the most openly pro-Black pop entertainer of his time. Michael Jackson ashamed to be Black? I mean, this was the same guy who:

 

-portrayed Black people as kings and queens in ancient Egypt ("Remember the Time" video)

-called Tommy Mottola (his then label boss) a devil and a racist

-sang "white man's gotta make a change" live on the Grammies in '88

-sang about a beautiful African woman in "Liberian Girl"

-featured an African chant at the end of "Wanna Be Startin Somethin"

-donated over $25 million to the United Negro College Fund

-sang "I ain't scared of no sheets" in "Black or White" and upped the ante by morphing into a BLACK PANTHER at the video's end

-wrote a song called "They Don't Really Care About Us," with a Spike Lee-directed video that featured prisoners raising the Black power fist

-uhhh “We Are The World” and USA for Africa, anyone?

 

What about this man wasn’t Black enough? Was it his battle with vitiligo and how it caused skin discoloration? Was it his excessive facial surgeries, due I’m sure in no small part to the teasing and ridicule he faced about his looks as a teenager?

 

Why did we turn our collective backs on a man who always reminded us that he never forgot who he was, or more importantly, whose he was?

 

This essay is my plea to all people who consider themselves a fan of Michael Jackson, but especially to Black people: Don't let them talk about our Brother. Don’t let his naysayers convict him of crimes that were never proven. Don't let people reduce the memory of one of our greatest heroes to that of a weird guy who wore a shiny glove and molested little boys.

 

When Elvis Presley died, did the media remember him as an overweight, drug-abusing racist who dated a 14 year-old, or was he eulogized as The King of Rock and Roll?

 

When Woody Allen dies, do you think the media will focus on the controversy behind him marrying his own stepdaughter, or on the films "Annie Hall" and "Manhattan" and how great they were? (Ditto for Jerry Lee Lewis, the rock and roll pioneer who married his 13-year old cousin.)

 

When people accuse Michael of being a pedophile or a child molester, ask them to provide hard evidence. Ask them to provide an opinion rooted in fact, rather than one based on gossip, hearsay, and conjecture. Chances are, they won't be able to. The Black community has done a great disservice in not reciprocating the love that Michael Jackson showed us when he was alive. The least we can do in honoring his death is ensure that his legacy is remembered properly for future generations.

 

Was Michael Jackson a weirdo? Of course he was a weirdo.

 

But maybe if you had been in the public eye since you were 7, had grown ass women throwing themselves at you since you were 13, suffered physical abuse at the hands of your father, watched your father and older brothers engage in sex with groupies on tour as a child, were called "Big Nose" and "ugly" by both family members AND fans, developed a skin disease that took away the one thing you repeatedly expressed your pride for, and spent the last half of your life as the most famous person on Earth, you'd probably be a bit of a weirdo too.

 

I am not attempting to paint Michael Jackson as a saint, as no man ever lives up to such a lofty title. But to me, the phrase “no good deed goes unpunished” seems to sum up Michael Jackson’s life more than ever.

 

Why would people try to tear down a man who constantly used his power, money, and influence to help others?

 

Why would people express such disgust and contempt for a man who constantly sang of love and peace, and used his talent to entertain, uplift, and inspire millions?

 

Tell em that its human nature, I suppose...

 

Rest in Peace, Brother Michael. I love and miss you dearly.

 

Phonte

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if you haven't seen the "michael jackson - what really happened" docu, do. the whole pedo story is not nearly as black-white as the media tried to make it, but wacko jacko certainly did do a lot of questionable things. the main conclusion the docu comes to (after having both sides of the story), is that some things certainly don't seem right. and that although the real proof will probably never see the light of day, the phrase "not guilty until proven guilty" wouldn't necessarily be the most morally appropriate side of the story either.

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