I'm scared of ignorant right-wing bigots.

[Guest blicero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

 

discuss.

[Guest Adjective]

the embarrassment level feels akin to watching sacha baron cohen in crowd form

[pcock]

wow

 

you know, i dont actually think americans are any more stupid than british people, its just that people that ill-informed and stupid in britain would never in a million years to care enough about leaving their council estate to go and protest, and if they got interviewed, they would prefer to just shout obsceneties and make rude symbols at the interviewer to look cool on TV.

[Guest blicero]

I think we, as a nation, need to make the ignorance crisis in America a priority. It's not healthy.

 

In related news... The Darwin biopic will not be shown in the US because of fear of a fundamentalist christian backlash.

 

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/no-us-distributor-charles-darwin-mov

[Guest abusivegeorge]

You want a gun for these faggots? Fucking pussies mate.

[Squee]

"You don't think Obama is a Christian?"

 

"NO! He's a muslim..."

 

 

 

Holy shit.

[Guest fox]

i take it then that you are not scared by ignorant left-wing bigots, or well-informed bigots of any stripe?

[joshuatxuk]

My god, his middle name is Hussien. Big deal, it's a common family name. My name is Joshua. Am I automatically assumed to be Jewish? I know Obama's church isn't exactly mainstream and his former preacher is a bit nuts, that's arguable, but there is not a shred of real evidence he is Muslim.

[awepittance]

its really a shame so many mainstream media outlets are still giving these mother fuckers attention

 

i will say again that there was not 1/20th of this coverage for any single of the anti war or anti bush protests

 

 

it kind of puts me in an awkward position because the more of this shit that's out there the more Obama loyalists increase their loyalty to him (as a knee jerking against the absurd stupidity of these tea party assholes)

It leaves very little room for people like myself who have what i consider strongly relevant criticisms of Obama coming from a liberal perspective.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Awepittance

[joshuatxuk]

I think we, as a nation, need to make the ignorance crisis in America a priority. It's not healthy.

 

In related news... The Darwin biopic will not be shown in the US because of fear of a fundamentalist christian backlash.

 

http://crooksandliar...rles-darwin-mov

 

Eh, money has to do with it as well. Religiouous or whatever (the Bill Maher flick) and every Michael Moore film have had major backing distribution wise, and those are documentaries. This probably stems from low audience expectations and not just right-wing protest fears as crooksandliars would gladly conclude.

[Guest inteeliguntdesign]

wow

 

you know, i dont actually think americans are any more stupid than british people, its just that people that ill-informed and stupid in britain would never in a million years to care enough about leaving their council estate to go and protest, and if they got interviewed, they would prefer to just shout obsceneties and make rude symbols at the interviewer to look cool on TV.

 

this.

 

it's something about british people not trusting any politicians, of any party.

 

and we don't mix religion and politics here. and i guess lots of those people are religious, and so easily manipulated by parties supposed affiliated to a particular sect or what have you.

 

bnp supporters would probably come somewhere close though.

[MAXIMUS MISCHIEF]

yeah i think whats more important is that the movie looks like shite.

[joshuatxuk]

its really a shame so many mainstream media outlets are still giving these mother fuckers attention

 

i will say again that there was not 1/20th of this coverage for any single of the anti war or anti bush protests

 

 

it kind of puts me in an awkward position because the more of this shit that's out there the more Obama loyalists increase their loyalty to him (as a knee jerking against the absurd stupidity of these tea party assholes)

It leaves very little room for people like myself who have what i consider strongly relevant criticisms of Obama coming from a liberal perspective.

 

I'm libertarian but I know what you mean. I was against the war in 2003 and still am. The one big Tea Party protest in Austin, TX was far less full of right-wing nuts, but it was the exeption nation-wide.

 

Overall, I am sick of Obama supporters tell me he will bringing massive health care reform and I'm sick of hearing anti-Obama people tell me he is bringing on national healthcare. The debate is over public health insurance and spending money on it. That's it.

[awepittance]

its sad that the debate is completely false right now

 

right wing side: obama is bringing socialism to american, free healthcare for all, people who don't take care of themselves feeding off everybody else

 

left wing side : obama is coming up with a great plan, albeit not the ideal plan but still a 'step in the right direction' he is making private health insurance MANDATORY (or if you are too poor to afford private health insurance you can 'buy into' a public option), yes that's right i support mandatory health insurance as a left leaning american, something i would have never supported before until my president told me to

Edited September 15, 2009 by Awepittance

[Guest ezkerraldean]

i take it then that you are not scared by ignorant left-wing bigots,

they're also scary but much less prolific

or well-informed bigots of any stripe?

they are oxymoronic Edited September 15, 2009 by ezkerraldean

[Guest inteeliguntdesign]

What don't you guys like about his heathcare plan? From a non-batshit insane point of view, I'd be interested to hear it.

[Joyrex]

I think all this anti-Obamaism that's going on in the States is just thinly veiled racism. All this "he's a Muslim" crap is just a convenient way of getting around wanting to say "He's a nigger, and I don't want a nigger as President".

 

America is still terribly racist, regardless of how far we feel we've come since the 60's.

[Guest idrn]

wow

 

you know, i dont actually think americans are any more stupid than british people, its just that people that ill-informed and stupid in britain would never in a million years to care enough about leaving their council estate to go and protest, and if they got interviewed, they would prefer to just shout obsceneties and make rude symbols at the interviewer to look cool on TV.

 

truth, although these people are the equivalent of daily mail readers, not estate dwellers (who are the equivalent of 'rednecks'). i reckon it's more how cynical we are, as culturally we cringe at overt sentimentality or emotional rhetoric. we're more likely to grumble and moan in acceptance that things are shit and always are because we're not told from a young age that everything is FUCKING GREAT AND PERFECT AND OUR SOCIETY IS AWESOME, WOO YEAH. post-colonial guilt innit?

 

teabaggers (if that's what they seriously called. seriously?) are just the unfortunate effect of a huge and overwhelming barrage of insidious misinformation, lies and calls to emotion that's used to keep the vested interests of psychopathic capitalism coming through via 'democracy'. i'm at risk of sounding so stereotypical, but this is serious business. those people actually believe they're protesting against something rather than protesting for healthcare industry profits. they've had their prejudice and cuntishness mobilized by the biggest cunts.

 

btw, it is also well funny how they're probably all super christian. 'would you like to help the less-fortunate? help those out of totally unneccairy suffering?' "FUCK NO". most of them are probably gonna be so embarrassed in 20 years.

[Guest ezkerraldean]

you know, i dont actually think americans are any more stupid than british people, its just that people that ill-informed and stupid in britain would never in a million years to care enough about leaving their council estate to go and protest, and if they got interviewed, they would prefer to just shout obsceneties and make rude symbols at the interviewer to look cool on TV.

 

yeah, good point. the closest thing we have to redneck bible-bashing hicks in terms of fucktardedness would probably be chavs, but chavs are completely apathetic to politics and religion (probably a good thing)

[joshuatxuk]

As working class, white American, this is my response:

 

DEY TUK R JERBS!

[Guest idrn]

I think all this anti-Obamaism that's going on in the States is just thinly veiled racism. All this "he's a Muslim" crap is just a convenient way of getting around wanting to say "He's a nigger, and I don't want a nigger as President".

 

America is still terribly racist, regardless of how far we feel we've come since the 60's.

 

quoted for truth.

 

also, this is by no means a way to judge a nation... but it's probably safe to say that a very large proportion of american youth go on xbox live, and yet it's a very regular occurrence to hear young kids screaming racist epithets and vitriol.

[joshuatxuk]

In all seriousness though, I'm not opposed to the public health insurance option on principle, I just don't think it'll work. Why not just regulate the shit out the private sector? More people would be down for that. The money isn't there to fund it either, unless we leave Afghanistan and Iraq tomorrow. As far as mandatory insurance, I think it should be for under 18 and dependents only.

 

And I personally think a national healthcare system like NHS won't be feasible. We're a federal government with a population of 300 million. And fatasses. A more minimal but adequate (I'm being generous in assumptions here) single payer healthcare system like that in Europe isn't going to fly for us.

[Guest abusivegeorge]

I think all this anti-Obamaism that's going on in the States is just thinly veiled racism. All this "he's a Muslim" crap is just a convenient way of getting around wanting to say "He's a nigger, and I don't want a nigger as President".

 

America is still terribly racist, regardless of how far we feel we've come since the 60's.

 

This is very true, although I would never label a person or nation "racist" unless it was complately obvious in an entirity, but this definetly does still seem to be the way.

[Guest idrn]

well it only risks not working because everyone will be attempting to curb stomp it into the ground.

[awepittance]

What don't you guys like about his heathcare plan? From a non-batshit insane point of view, I'd be interested to hear it.

 

 

his healthcare plan is a capitulation out of the gates to the health insurance industry. Why surrender single payer entirely and not even try to get a piece of that?

Instead Obama allowed no single payer advocates (what the UK and canada) have to help him formulate the bill.

 

'public option' as obama is presenting, will require everybody to purchase or buy into some kind of health insurance plan. The theory is that poor people will pay into it the least and still get care, but i find that to be an idealists pipe dream. I think people who are too poor to afford health insurance to begin with arent going to be too happy being required by law to buy into a system that Obama has created.

 

I just think what Obama is doing is completely talking out of both sides of his mouth at once. Hes claiming this plan will be a blow against the medical insurance industry but whats hes trying to push through will still be completely surrendering to the medical insurance industry and will not help us get out of it any faster, in fact it might even further intrench us into a broken healthcare system.

 

I am 100% for single payer or medicare for all with no legal requirement to buy into or pay a private company to be covered (which is the proposal now)

 

I think all this anti-Obamaism that's going on in the States is just thinly veiled racism. All this "he's a Muslim" crap is just a convenient way of getting around wanting to say "He's a nigger, and I don't want a nigger as President".

 

this is mostly true, but again i think these types of perceptions can actually damage real intelligent political discourse in this country.

 

People like me who aren't racist against obama but very much disagree with his policies (for the same reason i disagreed with bush's policies on detention, the wars,etc) have little amplitude to be heard under the massive noise of 'youre racists' 'no obamas racist he hates whites'

Edited September 15, 2009 by Awepittance