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yeah I’m not sure I agree with this idea that the music suffers bc the technology wasn’t quite there. it’s possible that within the greater arch of the development of their current (post exai) system

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best closing track is lowkey Nuane but Yuop is a beautiful emotional catharsis and I love it.

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1 minute ago, Boxus said:

best closing track is lowkey Nuane but Yuop is a beautiful emotional catharsis and I love it.

Catharsis? It starts beautifully but it turns sounding like a loss to me, apocalyptic loss, an oblivion ...

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16 hours ago, xox said:

Catharsis? It starts beautifully but it turns sounding like a loss to me, apocalyptic loss, an oblivion ...

yeah true it does have a very desolate apocalypse vibe. for me that climactic melody trying to break through is still such a huge emotional release, even though it ends up sort of defeated, dissolving back into the void

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22 hours ago, jaderpansen said:

and first half of sublimit tho).

whaaaat ? !  only first half ? you're kidding me ! :wink:

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14 minutes ago, neurone said:

whaaaat ? !  only first half ? you're kidding me ! :wink:

Second part od sublimit is my fav part of the album

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going off topic but, talking about sublimit :

I found similarity in sublimit and X4, about where it starts and where it ends(even if both tracks have different sounds & a different mood)

both are starting in a feeling of a rush and then gets soothing at the end,still with an overall dramatic thing, sort of a balance between fear ond hope,

hard to describe actually but ... something

 

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Yea I don't see how sublimit could be a contender for "best closing track" if that excludes the second half :blink: 

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Sublimit .. that zone around 5:25 where the odd time meshes is one of the things that I would most like to rediscover in the autechre of the future

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Nuane starts great but I don't love the last third of it. I'm fond of yuop, yjy ux, and r cazt

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You guys discussing tracks from other albums in the Oversteps thread.. That is a sign of that this album is pretty weak. 

Can someone here tell me one mindblowing track from Oversteps and why it is so good? 

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5 minutes ago, cern said:

You guys discussing tracks from other albums in the Oversteps thread.. That is a sign of that this album is pretty weak. 

Can someone here tell me one mindblowing track from Oversteps and why it is so good? 

thread is 200 pages fuckin long m8

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32 minutes ago, cern said:

You guys discussing tracks from other albums in the Oversteps thread.. That is a sign of that this album is pretty weak. 

Can someone here tell me one mindblowing track from Oversteps and why it is so good? 

 

  1. bass drop at 1:50 is an onset
  2. insectoid jam
  3. rob drums xylophone along to impossibly-taught string instrument as sean enters with bizarre, glitchy, power-brass, in the land of the gods
  4. lovecraftian dream garden
  5. good autechrean ambient funk
  6. sitcom theme song from alien sea planet.
  7. lushest bass texture in music history
  8. sean and rob playing mario 2064
  9. basically a classical piece
  10. lynchian intermezzo
  11. snake pit of meandering, distorted bass
  12. generative with axe sharpener
  13. funeral organ ceremony for alien snake royalty
  14. orchestral bass distortion season finale

 

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wtf

if I were to be the editor of a dictionary of synonyms, under the heading mindblowing I would put Oversteps, Untilted, AE_LIVE.

At this point we need to understand what you mean by minblowing.

Oversteps is the most condensed Ae work in terms of inventions, of the infinite combinations of fugues and subplots, 11 years later, even today, when I listen to it I don't seem to listen to the same album. There is always a way to look at it from a new point of view.
Instead of describing a track, I will point out a single detail among the hail of things that falls in my ears: at the end of d-sho qub, choruses emerge that wink at Ligeti. But they are not common choirs, no. They are fucking autechre's choirs: they seem to be composed of unstable vocal particles, incomprehensibly amalgamated into a single sound. Every time those voices enter my vestibular nerve my mind is blowed. but what am I saying? All d-sho drugs my amygdala

Violvoic makes me strip, there is no doubt, but I am not sure that in 2028 I will still find something unexpected there. Oversteps is still a universe to explore, but it is a subtle exploration.


 

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7 hours ago, auxien said:

thread is 200 pages fuckin long m8

Yeah and 80% is about the hate of Known(1) m8

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18 hours ago, cern said:

Yeah and 80% is about the hate of Known(1) m8

not really? at least from what i've read of the thread (which is not *too* much I will admit)

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The first thing I like about Oversteps is they have a sort of avant garde atonal melodies thing going on, /at first/. But then like most good atonal things, over time, each track becomes instantly memorable and have their own (really) unique identities. Now even though they aren't really atonal, they sort of have that kind of effect imo. They become very beautiful, non-random and very melodic, especially as they age. I don't know the music theory behind the melodies but they don't sound like totally normal melodies. Tracks that have this the most: pt2hp8, qplay, O=0, st epreo, krYlon ... for starters. 

The production is very warm and dense. And tracks have this sort of gluey chewy feeling, and for some damn reason it's just /good/ and nice to listen to. The other thing I like about it is that it doesn't sound like any other ae album. Especially the percussion. In retrospect all of their albums have differnent mastering and sounds, but this one to me stands out as /very/ different.

I also love the atmosphere which for me sounds like a video game world, but I won't get into it here. I can sleep/rest to this album and feel this fuzzy warmth

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41 minutes ago, coax said:

I don't know the music theory behind the melodies but they don't sound like totally normal melodies. Tracks that have this the most: pt2hp8, qplay, O=0, st epreo, krYlon ... for starters. 

the melodies in these tunes sound "normal" and not atonal (as you put it) because they couldn't be further from being atonal. 

as far as i can tell, the chord progressions in these tunes are often very modal, when they're not plain tonal, and the same goes for the melodies. modal harmony/melody is the most harmonious sound you can get in our tuning system, hence why these melodies don't sound random at all but very "melodic" instead. i think

 

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34 minutes ago, brian trageskin said:

the melodies in these tunes sound "normal" and not atonal (as you put it) because they couldn't be further from being atonal. 

as far as i can tell, the chord progressions in these tunes are often very modal, when they're not plain tonal, and the same goes for the melodies. modal harmony/melody is the most harmonious sound you can get in our tuning system, hence why these melodies don't sound random at all but very "melodic" instead. i think

 

Good info, I don't know much about music theory. I did say they aren't really atonal but my point was, at least from my own experience, Oversteps has been called noodling or random and I could recognize that vibe myself, especially back in 2010 when I first heard it. Even though I liked it immediately, I hadn't learned and memorized the tracks, that happened much later. And this "confusion" I compared to some atonal pieces, some which I have done myself, where they get a unique expression because they do sound a little 'confusing' at first but then gain this uniqueness later because of that complexity. Other people probably have different experiences but this was mine, and the best I can explain it atm

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shit, i've misread your post, you didn't say the melodies sounded normal, you said they didn't sound totally normal. 

this is actually a very interesting point. my first guess is this has to do with melodic contour (https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/77119/what-is-melodic-contour). these tunes have rather jumpy melodies, meaning the notes are often widely spaced and they sometimes change very rapidly, which typically sounds alien, non-human, as playing such melodies on an instrument feels very unnatural (it's way easier for your hands to play notes that are close to each other), especially with such an accurate timing. so i guess there's a contradiction between the human/natural/organic feel of these modal sounds (and timbres imo) and the unnatural/alien speed and shape of these melodies, which explains why they don't sound totally normal.

obviously this is just me speculating without taking the time to properly listen and think, so chances are i'm gonna change my mind as soon as i look into this more closely lol.

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5 minutes ago, coax said:

Good info, I don't know much about music theory. I did say they aren't really atonal but my point was, at least from my own experience, Oversteps has been called noodling or random and I could recognize that vibe myself, especially back in 2010 when I first heard it. Even though I liked it immediately, I hadn't learned and memorized the tracks, that happened much later. And this "confusion" I compared to some atonal pieces, some which I have done myself, where they get a unique expression because they do sound a little 'confusing' at first but then gain this uniqueness later because of that complexity. Other people probably have different experiences but this was mine, and the best I can explain it atm

i think i know what you mean by atonal, i guess this has to do with the modal aspects of these tunes and the non-functional chord progressions (by that i mean the chord changes don't follow the typical patterns we're all familiar with). these particular tunes change key quite a lot iirc, and in sudden and unpredictable ways. as a result, it's hard to tell in which key we are often times. hence the "atonal" feel, imo. although the term atonal refers to something completely different, but that's just semantics.

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3 hours ago, coax said:

I don't know the music theory behind the melodies but they don't sound like totally normal melodies. Tracks that have this the most: pt2hp8, qplay, O=0, st epreo, krYlon ... for starters. 

idk music theory either but those tracks are not normal and totes fuckin great because they are AUfuckinTECHRE in the album OVERfuckinSTEPS

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Pretty much what @brian trageskin said. The melodies are all tonal/modal but some of these tunes shift modes/tonalities quite rapidly. It's basically what soloists are doing when they play over chord changes. The melodies sound weird as you described because they are generative (or at least that seems to be the likely case) so they're lacking the tendencies, intuitive or based on principle, that go into human melody writing, like interval spacing etc as BT already said. My guess is "the System" has all standard diatonic scales/modes programmed in, and the melodies are generated based on those parameters, but those parameters are shifting between tonalities, maybe randomly in some cases (Treale?) or in a more controlled manner (the key change in the middle of krYlon). Like on a lot of old keyboards where you can control the automated "accompaniment" to the rhythm track by switching bass notes. Or something like WolframTones . Of course I don't know the actual specifics of how their System works, but I get what's going on musically (theory-wise). 

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