Aphex Twin Aphex Twin vs Venetian Snares

[o00o]

Aphex: Drukqs (Album) ◄ (13 versions) Warp Records ... 2001

Snares: Doll Doll Doll (Album) ◄ (3 versions) Hymen Records 2001

 

Aphex releases Drukqs and Snares churns similar LPs for years to come. If they are as good as druqks can be discussed. For me they are not. But as Snares does not stop Aphex has to do something new to not get lost in a flood of druqks copycats. So he develops analord.

 

Aphex: Analord 01-11 ◄ (3 versions) Rephlex 2005

Snares as Last Step: You're A Nice Girl (12") Planet Mu 2005

... some other releases by last step

Snares as Last Step: 1961 (Album) ◄ (3 versions) Planet Mu 2008

 

So what basically happened here: Snares again copied the analord style and started mass production but as he is not as good as aphex in synth programming (and not owning unique expensive synths) he is not able to deliver the same quality. I guess aphex knew this as you could hear it in the snares releases before.

 

Aphex: Rushup Edge (Album) ◄ (3 versions) Rephlex 2007

Snares: My Downfall (Original Soundtrack) (Album) Planet Mu 2007

 

Snares releases My Downfall as he knew he had no chance to the new fusion by aphex (analord quality syths + better idm arrangement) so snares uses classic sample libraries instead to keep track and as he knew it worked really well with Rossz Csillag Alatt Született.

 

what do you think about these statements? I know many releases in between are not listed here but I wanted to show examples that are quite obvious. Still I have to say I like some releases by snares very much and its not a topic to flame snares its just something that came to my mind.

[Guest Al5x]

I thought after he started Last Step it was pretty obvious. Yeah I like Aaron's stuff but to be honest it's only an attempt to quench my thirst for new Aphex...and while it's definitely good it isn't a third as good as any of Richard's stuff imo. Drukqs came out like 9 years ago now & I still havn't heard a record that comes anywhere near it, but good on Vsnares for trying I suppose.

 

As good as the man is at making drum patterns I don't think it's impossible that maybe some day he'll be on the same level as AFX at that sort of stuff, however as far as Last Step goes I think it's a billion lightyears behind analord and a trillion behind the Tuss.

[awesomeperson]

Can VS even do a four on the floor track? I thinks not, not a good one anyway.

All the talk about him using unusual time signatures being something special when he can't even do a decent 4/4 track.

[BCM]

i don't like last step at all. i like horsey noises though.

[psn]

According to your logic VS is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

[xyrofen]

I don't see why they're being compared so heavily. I just consider them both two electronic artists that I like listening to a lot.

 

I don't see how the Last Step albums and the Analords are so comparable (or not, as some might say).

[o00o]

According to your logic VS is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

 

I like snares for doing what he does when this does produce more great music and maybe even provokes something in aphex so he tries harder

[Guest Masonic Boom]

If he was "mass producing" wouldn't he have made more money at it?

[o00o]

If he was "mass producing" wouldn't he have made more money at it?

 

he definitively got attention and fame from it - I mean snares was or is THE planet mu artist for quite a long time

[TechDiff]

I dont really understand what is suggested to be honest.

 

Drukqs is a great album, so is Doll X3

 

Analord i cant really imagine as any concious effort to break away from the "flood of druqks copycats" as you put it. Just the logical kinda output you'd expect from someone who has mega bucks to spend on nice toys, and then play with them.

 

Same with last step stuff imo, sounds like someone having fun playing with their nice equipment, nothing much else.

 

The Tuss and Downfall comparison is something i cannot get my head around.

[soundwave]

I think Arron can produce something not quite as polished as Richard but in a fraction of the time.

 

Richard has a good ear for a catchy melody but Arron's arranging skills are better if a little samey

 

imho Arron's stuff has that demented hard edge that Richard forged his early carrer on which has been kinda been lost in recent times although I come back to Aphex/AFX's music more than I do Arron's saying that nothing put a sweat on me more than listening to a Snares set

 

Richard is better at programming synths

 

Arron is better with the amen break

 

 

 

all in all I think you maybe wouldn't have had VS without AFX and Ikinda think of Arron as a huge fan as well as the biggest piss taker of Richard

[sneaksta303]

stupid thread

[Guest idrn]

what do you think about these statements?

 

a load of moronic twaddle

[sneaksta303]

OMFG STOP THE PRESSES! APPARENTLY AN ARTIST INFLUENCED ANOTHER ARTIST.

 

I'd say every musician on this board was influenced by RDJ in some way shape or form, but to make direct comparisons like this is ridiculous. Next you'll be saying the flahbub is a squarepusher ripoff and tycho is a boc ripoff. err, wait nvm.

 

Sorry o00o but V Snares is more original than you give him credit for.

[Ragnar]

Last Step is definitely a parody of Analord and not some serious attempt to surpass Analord or anything. I'm certain if you dissected Seafoam Green there are parts where he's obviously like NOT CRYING IN YOUR FACE and not even making a strong attempt to hide it. 61 Disco is either Fenix Funk 5 or I had a weaker theory that it's influenced by Grumpy Acid too or both tracks at once, also that track is track 6 off of Analord 1 lol 61 but like I said weaker theory than the Fenix Funk one. Portoghese obviously could be compared to Lisbon Acid at least by the name if not anything else. I mean think about it the other way around why the fuck would he name a track Portoghese (is it spelled wrong too or is that Portuguese in Portuguese) but I didn't realize Last Step alias was so old that's interesting

 

and I was the one who made up the Family Guy quote

[sneaksta303]

Death Fuck could have been inspired by V Snares.

[sneaksta303]

Find candace.

[Ragnar]

On the same note does Family Guy even pretend that they've never heard of MASSIVELY POPULAR show called the Simpsons oh beats me we're from massachusetts or something we don't have TVs. But yeah basically everything about Family Guy the whole cast of characters/universe of the show seems less fleshed out and I think they just make up people so they can say stupid shit and no other attachment/story to those characters like when he does something that's like Analord but not as well-produced I'm pretty sure he just really did it for PREMISE and is actually just interested in more crazy drum programming and shit producers of Family Guy just want an environment where potential jokes can happen

 

but aside from Last Step HCCBU is obvious copy of Autechre lol album artwork is like an Autechre album but not as good album title sounds like super-literal description of a proper Autechre cover (or description of the Gantz Graf video) Ultra Low Glue Funk 1982-2007 is obviously a parody on Selected Ambient Works title but isn't the whole album like a tribute/parody of Squarepusher

 

sorry forums are weird and stupid why can't I edit

 

and I do think Venetian Snares is original just in OTHER ways. Like he's probably shit at making a concept for an album so he just does 'some autechre album the sequel' he's nowhere as good at making unique sounds that are unlike each other but I don't know obviously a lot of his tracks are a big joke jokes can be familiar and still make you laugh

 

but yeah enough with the aphex comparisons he's obviously taking influence from a lot of different people everybody on warp records ever I think this is intentional too like soembody like Flashbulb is like 'wha??? who's squarepusher? I don't even' but he's like 'wow I'm influenced by people with a similar sound qwhat a shocking revelation' only honest person in IDM ever

[Ragnar]

I was pretty sure the last track of HCCBU directly samples Ziggomatic 17 but I'm not as sure now

 

his recent albums (Filth, the not yet released one) have felt like NOT EVEN TRYING with establishing theme/atmosphere either he's lost his touch or this is the next evolution in his music like Autechre got more and more chaotic up until that one album Aaron Funk's albums will become more and more sloppily produced until the whole album is general MIDI and is a .4 second download from planet mu

[Ragnar]

seriously Kimberly Clark TOILET FLUSHING SOUND a man known for sampling everything ever and making it work suddenly has like no discernable samples other than 'da da da' sped up sample of somebody talking it's everywhere in the song

[ilt17]

I disaggree with the statements, they're two completely different persons both in behaviour and music production, so their releases aren't really comparable. Rich isn't able to drop a heavy amen bomb track and Aaron isn't able to write a non-VSTish 4/4 120 bpm track so, unnecessary to compare.

Let's go for One Eye, this one is good

[sneaksta303]

Rich isn't able to drop a heavy amen bomb track

 

no?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrma8pXhcCs

 

and Aaron isn't able to write a non-VSTish 4/4 120 bpm track

 

no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUVUPXtp9G4

[xyrofen]

I'm pretty sure Aaron would be honored to even be considered an Aphex Twin or Autechre rip-off.

 

At least he's better than those that rip him off.

[Retape]

fuck all this gay shit!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEGEK7fk4Xw

[karmakramer]

fuck all this gay shit!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEGEK7fk4Xw

 

Yep, I agree