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he met more than 5 women in his career. my point is that we don't really know what the vibe and the situation was when he approached them, but 5 women in like 20 year means that there was some selection process and he wasn't just harassing every woman on his path with this question.

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also, the whole thing is "newsworthy" only because of the lewdness of his request (according to some kind ultra puritanical norms), not because the incidents were anywhere immoral. if he asked those women whether they wanted to have sex, and subsequently going for it after receiving their ok, or alternatively stopping the pursuit after their refusal - none of that would be even reported.

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also, the whole thing is "newsworthy" only because of the lewdness of his request (according to some kind ultra puritanical norms), not because the incidents were anywhere immoral. if he asked those women whether they wanted to have sex, and subsequently going for it after receiving their ok, or alternatively stopping the pursuit after their refusal - none of that would be even reported.

I know it’s your thing to troll all the time but your interpretation is obviously unreasonable. he asked some of these women while they were working together. one doesn’t need recourse to societal moral narratives to demonstrate the abusiveness of this dynamic wherein a prominent, influential man is making a crude, personal suggestion to women who are just showing up for work. it’s entirely reasonable to think this behavior is sleazy and detestable and it’s entirely obvious to anyone who’s had a real job that such a suggestion is a fireable offense. but he doesn’t get fired of course bc the entertainment industry absolves itself of decent treatment of its female workers out of its own twisted moral logic sexism disguised as progressive liberalism. although i’m sure this would’ve played out differently if he was like the dolly operator or something. a woman isn’t supposed to expect that when she’s at work or hanging with a prominent dude in her field that he is going to respect her bc that would be too “conservative.” if the dude worked in retail and made this kind of pass at a coworker he’d be fired or reprimanded. unless, of course, he was the boss.

 

furthermore, he adamantly denied any of this happened for many years, using his celebrity and outreach to make these women look like liars and idiots and furthering the kind of distrust and disrespect of women who dare to speak frankly about sexual mistreatment (check out this stupid fucking thread for examples of this perspective). Clearly, he did this bc he was afraid of the consequence. So, he expects that women should be fine with him asking if he can pull his dick out and stare at them while he rubs it in their face (about at mutually gratifying a sex act I can think of) but then he wants to call them liars when they talk about it and also parade around on tv as some kind of woke moralist comedian. His behavior is disrespectful, deceitful, rude and invasive, if not outright abusive. Plenty of people manage to explore their fetishes without accosting unwilling and unsuspecting women. If all you dickheads can say in response is that it’s not that bad, or that women be lying or society is too conservative maybe you’re part of the problem. Somehow I suspect that if this shit happened to some of you or your loved ones you wouldn’t be playing the cool beard stroking edge lord.

 

fuck this gay earth

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^Alco with that fire.

 

If anyone here really thinks what CK has done is harmless, take a step back and really think about it all. As Alco pointed out, the using his power and status over the last 10 years to hide and deny rumors is shameful enough...but the non-consensual aspects of most reports are also rampant. I understand that it as an absolutely ridiculous image, an aging, balding, funny, charming guy whipping it out to jerk off in front of others, it seems more pathetic than damaging. And maybe it is...I'd guess that the silliness of the acts has kept it from being a bigger deal: remember, this has been reported and brought to public both as rumor and as more specific allegations many times, yet no one really cared. And again, CK denied it...his manager supposedly tried to intimidate accusers, so that's a part as well...but yes, it's a silly, pathetic joke of a thing to do, but the fact that he was doing it against consent can absolutely be harmful.

 

At best, he was consistently doing creepy and inappropriate things sometimes and occasionally crossing the line...at worst he was regularly locking women in rooms and subjecting them to sexual acts they didn't ask for. That's all there is to it. He's no Weinstein, he's not molesting kids or any thousand other reproachable things, but what how he acted both in the acts and in his reactions to accusations are not healthy or morally okay. You'd not want that done to you or your mother or sister or wife or daughter. Quit focusing on the one accusation from the two comedians who sort of said 'okay' and didn't really seem to care for a decade...look at the other accusations, even though they may not be attached to specific names, and CK's own admission, that these things are true. He was in the wrong in most, if not all, cases. And who knows the extent of it: even if it's quite small (heh) it still happened and he still tried to suppress it, questionably using his status and power.

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@alco

 

no, i'm not trolling here, i'm pretty much all behind him with this thing.

comedy showbiz world is not a normal workplace and the people who inhabit it are not your average normies who judeo-christian values firm. on a scale of church to porn production company (where, i assume you'll agree, such request wouldn't be considered offensive or as a harassment) it's somewhere in the middle. the degree of whether what happened was ultimately ok or not is very much context dependent, whether the women were sexually open, whether there was any flirtation, whether they showed some kind of attraction to him and so on. we don't have this info. coming to a conclusion just based on whether he was in a position of power and whether that place where the incidents took place was a workplace is pretty weak. if that ordeal went to actual court it wouldn't automatically pass just on those two factors.

regarding his previous dismissals, the rumors that were flying around before were actually very different from what the NYT article shows, and they accused him of forcing women to watch him masturbate and even blocking them from feeling the scene. it was mostly based on this article: http://gawker.com/5894527/which-beloved-comedian-likes-to-force-female-comics-to-watch-him-jerk-off?comment=48089921  . Roseanne Barr perpetuated exactly this kind of allegation in 2016 as well.

the funny thing is that one of the women herslef claimed that the facts were wrong in that very article, but that didn't stop the headline from circulating.

 

@auxien

read the actual nyt article, there was consent and that's what's different from previous rumors.

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i may be spending too much time in academia so my standards are different, but the reading comprehension skills and basically basic journalistic integrity of the writers in the most respectable news outlets are pretty pathetic.

 

Five years ago, Gawker published a “blind item” — a staple of the gossip site — that described the secondhand accounts of unnamed sources who said they had heard about an unnamed comedian masturbating in front of two other unnamed comedians at an Aspen, Colo., hotel in 2002. The article was so bereft of names that it didn't even have a byline.

“Have any blind items to share?” asked a note to readers, at the bottom of the page. “Let us know. Gawker will pay for any tips that check out.”

A story so thinly sourced would never pass editorial muster in most newsrooms, and paying for information is a huge no-no by traditional journalistic standards. But this was the kind of story Gawker was known for, before it went bankrupt and closed last year because of a lawsuit funded by billionaire Peter Thiel. And this particular story happens to be true, confirmed by the exhibitionist himself, after it reappeared in the New York Times on Thursday — with names.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/12/a-complicated-question-amid-the-louis-c-k-allegations-do-we-miss-gawker/

 

that's dead wrong, the story in gawker is accusing the comedian of FORCING people to watch him masturbate, it's literally its headline. the story LCK confirmed is what was published in the times and is quite different and doesn't include locking people to watch him masturbate. wapo writer doesn't even bother to address a pretty important fact, imo, that one of the victim claimed that the facts are wrong in the article itself, pretty much rendering the whole thing false.

 

Callum Borchers, jesus fuck.

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From July: http://www.yourtango.com/2017304973/louis-ck-masturbate-sexual-assault-allegations-details

 

 He was reluctant to go into much detail, but he said that two women he knew had been mistreated by him. He described one of the alleged incidents, which he said had happened sometime in the second half of 2014: A female friend of his told him that C.K. had come up to her at a comedy club, grabbed her by the back of the neck, leaned into her ear, and said “I’m going to fuck you.”

 

Yes, that's a second hand story. No reason not to believe it, however.

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From July: http://www.yourtango.com/2017304973/louis-ck-masturbate-sexual-assault-allegations-details

 

 He was reluctant to go into much detail, but he said that two women he knew had been mistreated by him. He described one of the alleged incidents, which he said had happened sometime in the second half of 2014: A female friend of his told him that C.K. had come up to her at a comedy club, grabbed her by the back of the neck, leaned into her ear, and said “I’m going to fuck you.”

 

Yes, that's a second hand story. No reason not to believe it, however.

 

really?

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From July: http://www.yourtango.com/2017304973/louis-ck-masturbate-sexual-assault-allegations-details

 

 He was reluctant to go into much detail, but he said that two women he knew had been mistreated by him. He described one of the alleged incidents, which he said had happened sometime in the second half of 2014: A female friend of his told him that C.K. had come up to her at a comedy club, grabbed her by the back of the neck, leaned into her ear, and said “I’m going to fuck you.”

 

Yes, that's a second hand story. No reason not to believe it, however.

 

really?

 

Yeah, but to be fair I am mostly trolling you now since your arguments are essentially "um, well were the women flirting and asking for it? we may never know, so but also um, if it happened it wasn't illegal, and um, also the reporting is bad! look how bad!"

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His behavior is disrespectful, deceitful, rude and invasive, if not outright abusive. Plenty of people manage to explore their fetishes without accosting unwilling and unsuspecting women. If all you dickheads can say in response is that it’s not that bad, or that women be lying or society is too conservative maybe you’re part of the problem. Somehow I suspect that if this shit happened to some of you or your loved ones you wouldn’t be playing the cool beard stroking edge lord.

Yup.
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Luis ck is innocent, it was just locker room talk.

 

Joking aside the white knights defending ck are a nihilistic post-modernist bunch of cunts who lack respect

 

Whatever happen to respect and dignity? What ck did was chimp-like behavior and a total lack of respect towards innocent women

 

And that bullshit excuse saying a comedy workplace should be treated differently is the biggest piece of shit argument i've heard, so are you saying gross creep like ck can do whatever the fuck they want?

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His behavior is disrespectful, deceitful, rude and invasive, if not outright abusive. Plenty of people manage to explore their fetishes without accosting unwilling and unsuspecting women. If all you dickheads can say in response is that it’s not that bad, or that women be lying or society is too conservative maybe you’re part of the problem. Somehow I suspect that if this shit happened to some of you or your loved ones you wouldn’t be playing the cool beard stroking edge lord.

Yup.

 

 

yep

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He always brought up being a dad. Maybe he was using his own kids as a shield. Either way, they’re fucked now. Keep it in your pants broskis.

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I just realized that one of the last episodes of "Louie" i watched involved a scene with him masturbating in his house. I saw this well before i heard these accusations, it was only a few seasons in. I found the way it was handled it to be very exhibitionist in nature and it made me uncomfortable. I'll watch goofy jack-off scenes all day and not even blink ;) but there was something that disturbed me about that scene. It wasn't particularly silly. I lost interest in the show around this point and later heard the allegations and was put off by that, but i never made that association. 

I wonder if he got off on people basically watching him masturbate on his show. 

Now i feel dirty.

I'll still probably watch Pootie Tang again, eventually. This ain't Pootie's fault, my damies. Pootie says the nay-no to sexual harassment. He would know, he endures it all throughout that film. I hope that we can at least all agree on that.

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I'm glad I never really got into this dude.

 

while I think there is a legit concern around the possibility of prematurely destroying an entire person's career and livelihood just by accusation (of sexual misconduct/assault or otherwise), this case is pretty clear. don't use your power to show your dick to people and then make jokes about it later.

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porn production company (where, i assume you'll agree, such request wouldn't be considered offensive or as a harassment)

uh, nope. I'm pretty sure porn actors don't just freely fuck each other outside of film production.. cf. the James Deen stuff that went down a couple of years ago. Just because it's part of your job doesn't mean it's acceptable to do outside of the allocated time when everyone consents to it.

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For a while I thought he was great, and he had some explorations of narcissism, lack of gratitude, etc. that were interesting, at least at the time. Then I watched the season of his show centered on him convincing his platonic friend to be his girlfriend, and I figured he was changing his direction, and I cooled on him. It wasn't like "this is creepy and weird" (although it kind of was, in retrospect), it didn't line up quite right for me and it was neither insightful nor entertaining, just felt indulgent in an empty way and I lost interest.

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