Airports are becoming frightening.

[awepittance]

Who cares if some person sees u naked... I got more important things to worry about.

 

well you may not, but other people do. whoops guys, can't finish the post because i have to check on the frog i'm boiling in the kitchen

[awepittance]

HOW IS IT A FUCKING VIOLATION OF PRIVACY!!!!???

 

1. it doesn't show your cock/vagina

 

wrong, it shows an outline of it, see Bollywood story above

 

2. its easier and faster than other forms of security check out that they have used in the past

 

incorrect, it's just as fast as a metal detector

 

3. Is less fucking invasive that some guy touching my parts

 

exactly, which is why it's such a genius form of dehumanization. What person in their right mind would rather have a TSA employee grope them?

so your only other option is to go through a machine where you are virtually stripped naked, and shot with an unknown amount of radiation that's probably more dangerous than an MRI or a CGI ultrasound

 

there is no valid terrorist threat (as proven by the above statistics) in this country, so to say that these are being put into place to protect us is laughable.

[awepittance]

from Johnanthan Turley's website

 

Al Qaeda appears to have found a way to endanger millions of people around the world. According to a new report, the full body scanners being used in airports around the world have a dosage of radiation that is 20 times greater than previously announced. Scientists warn of a possible increase in skin cancer.

 

Dr David Brenner, head of Columbia University’s center for radiological research, noted the risk is low, but believes more testing is needed to determine the impact on various groups. He noted, however, “f there are increases in cancers as a result of irradiation of children, they would most likely appear some decades in the future. It would be prudent not to scan the head and neck.”

 

This follows another recent study showing a high exposure to radiation in airplanes during some storms. If Amtrak is not funding these studies, it should be.

Source: Daily Mail

http://jonathanturley.org/2010/06/30/report-body-scanner-radiation-is-20-times-greater-than-previously-believed/

[Boxing Day]

Yeah , trust the blogger ,

 

(You probably get more radiation from microwaves than those scanners) , also i want to see all those deformed babies that mutated because of the "dangerous radiation" from these scanners.

 

 

I think it's all a farce , 90 percent of people complaining about this will never get scanned.(also if you smoke you can't complain about fucking radiation)

 

People are bored , that's all there is to it , people need "something to fight against" , people need to feel like they are being violated by a higher authority , just to get that "i'm doing something" high when they cowardly complain on the internet.

[Boxing Day]

Also , you don't feel like your privacy is being violated when you got o the doctor for as check out , and you have to get naked (actual naked , not fake naked).

 

Doctors are professionals and so are the TSA people (despite what alex jones says)

[kaini]

Violation of privacy?? , no way jose , violation of privacy would be if they install cameras all over you house and watch you masturbate , that's fucking invasion of privacy.

Going tru a machine that doesn't even show your dick is nothing , i can do it all day i don't care , its actually better than having so stranger touch your private area.

 

first they came for the communists, and i did not speak out, because i was not a communist

then they came for the union members, and i did not speak out, because i was not a union member...

[chassis]

Yeah , trust the blogger ,

 

(You probably get more radiation from microwaves than those scanners) , also i want to see all those deformed babies that mutated because of the "dangerous radiation" from these scanners.

 

 

I think it's all a farce , 90 percent of people complaining about this will never get scanned.(also if you smoke you can't complain about fucking radiation)

 

People are bored , that's all there is to it , people need "something to fight against" , people need to feel like they are being violated by a higher authority , just to get that "i'm doing something" high when they cowardly complain on the internet.

 

Microwaves are not the same as x-rays. But Im with you on this. Unless you're some sort of celebrity who gives a shit about pictures of your dick, you cant even make out facial features so it could be anyones dick.

[kaini]

Doctors are professionals and so are the TSA people (despite what alex jones says)

 

you're an idiot. doctors are trained to have 'bedside manner' and to look at you as a collection of organs and symptoms. TSA guys are on just above minimum wage and it's an entirely different hurr durr boobies sort of thing.

[Hoodie]

http://www.legal-criminal-justice-schools.com/Criminal-Justice-Degrees/TSA-Screener-career.html

 

To be an entry level screener, you don't even need a college degree. Doctors go through around 7 years of higher education and, as kaini said, are trained to view you as a human body. I guess I trust them not to be perverts, unlike TSA officers, because they take an oath to help us.

[Boxing Day]

Doctors are professionals and so are the TSA people (despite what alex jones says)

 

you're an idiot. doctors are trained to have 'bedside manner' and to look at you as a collection of organs and symptoms. TSA guys are on just above minimum wage and it's an entirely different hurr durr boobies sort of thing.

 

Not anyone can get a Body Scanner job , you need specific qualifications (not to mention a perfect background , because they ultra-check your background) , including background is x-rays , hardware. and shit like that , you basically MUST have some sort of experience working with x-rays , etc.

 

Alex Jones is an idiot , he is saying undocumented immigrants can get a job in the TSA , he is lying man , don't trust that guy.

[kaini]

Doctors are professionals and so are the TSA people (despite what alex jones says)

 

you're an idiot. doctors are trained to have 'bedside manner' and to look at you as a collection of organs and symptoms. TSA guys are on just above minimum wage and it's an entirely different hurr durr boobies sort of thing.

 

Not anyone can get a Body Scanner job , you need specific qualifications (not to mention a perfect background , because they ultra-check your background) , including background is x-rays , hardware. and shit like that , you basically MUST have some sort of experience working with x-rays , etc.

 

{{citation needed}}

 

and this is without getting into the whole issue of civil liberties being stolen away in small increments.

and i think everyone here knows alex jones is a fool.

[Guest Rambo]

i cant believe you are comparing these people to doctors

 

I think it goes without saying that if you want someone to heal/take care of your body, you might have to reveal a bit of it to them at times. If i have earache, i don't get my cock inspected either. Well certainly not anymore.

[Boxing Day]

i cant believe you are comparing these people to doctors

 

 

 

LOL , i can't believe it either.

 

Thanks for the free bandwidth joyrex ,

[spratters]

I'm glad they're putting a bit more effort into stopping unwanted items traveling onto big silver birds. And at what expense? Having someone who can't even see you when you're being scanned, look at one of thousands of x-rays briefly to make sure you're not hiding something which you shouldn't be? I have no problem at all and don't understand people who do. It's someone you don't know ffs not your damn mother. Who gives a flying fuck. If they are that bothered, whack your old fella out and embarrass them to hell.

>completely misses the point

 

Please do explain what point it is I am missing?

[karmakramer]

I'm with boxing day on this one... there is a lot more fucked up things happening in our government right now, then scanner machines. Judging from the scan quality its not like you can even tell who the person is... its just meant to detect guns and shit. Here we have class warfare and deep corporate corruption and people freak out over a little nudity? Shit man, regulating the internet and wire tapping is 100x worse than this. How often do you people fly? Sheesh

[kaini]

i think most people freak out because they feel that their civil liberties are being taken away in small increments. and fat people and guys with tiny dicks are freaking out over the nudity.

[awepittance]

I'm with boxing day on this one... there is a lot more fucked up things happening in our government right now, then scanner machines. Judging from the scan quality its not like you can even tell who the person is... its just meant to detect guns and shit. Here we have class warfare and deep corporate corruption and people freak out over a little nudity? Shit man, regulating the internet and wire tapping is 100x worse than this. How often do you people fly? Sheesh

 

i think it's not a question of prioritizing, it's that these airport body scanners are designed to get us to accept incremental dehumanization. If that doesn't bother you that's fine, you are entitled to that opinion. It's rather off putting though for someone who isn't bothered by these violations of privacy to be telling others not to worry about it. These airport body scanners make me not want to fly, they directly impact my life. Corporate corruption while awful, has not directly effected me to my knowledge. YOu are welcome to have an opinion that these are not a problem, but please don't say we are all paranoid or being irrational (if you really are with boxing day on this one). It's not specifically a logical fallacy which you've just laid out but it is somewhat fallacious to compare other things to this and make the argument that 'it's not that bad because of X' . We could go all day comparing bad things to other bad things...

 

the fact of it is, terrorism in the untied states is not a threat. if it was a genuinely likely threat, i might have a different opinion on airport security. Since statistically its not a serious threat, the fact that we're sitting here defending these is pretty shocking to me. Even though it's clear terrorism is not a serious threat, i still think people have PTSD from 9/11 and that's why they accept this so readily.

[awepittance]

i cant believe you are comparing these people to doctors

 

I think it goes without saying that if you want someone to heal/take care of your body, you might have to reveal a bit of it to them at times. If i have earache, i don't get my cock inspected either. Well certainly not anymore.

 

the only reason i even brought up doctors above was because i had a funny fantasy where i'd have to explain to my imaginary child why he/she needs to have their genitals and prepubescent naked bodies looked at by a security guard, the only other person allowed to do this (until awesome naked body scanning TSA machines) besides the parents is the family pediatrician. i was mostly finding the situation funny but it's also kind of disturbing.

 

edit: not to be an age discriminatory dick head, but i would love to take a wide survey of people who are above 30 Vs people who are 15-25 and how their views on privacy differ. It seems from my surface examination most people below the age of 25 seem to be less concerned aout the incremental removal of our civil liberties or privacy. I wouldn't be surprised if they differ greatly. or what about people who are born after 9/11 ? that would creep me out to see the results of that study

[awepittance]

Doctors are professionals and so are the TSA people (despite what alex jones says)

 

you're an idiot. doctors are trained to have 'bedside manner' and to look at you as a collection of organs and symptoms. TSA guys are on just above minimum wage and it's an entirely different hurr durr boobies sort of thing.

 

Not anyone can get a Body Scanner job , you need specific qualifications (not to mention a perfect background , because they ultra-check your background) , including background is x-rays , hardware. and shit like that , you basically MUST have some sort of experience working with x-rays , etc.

 

{{citation needed}}

 

and this is without getting into the whole issue of civil liberties being stolen away in small increments.

and i think everyone here knows alex jones is a fool.

 

 

In Boxing day's black and white universe you either are afraid of them and totally paranoid like Mr. Jones or you are completely ok with them and a rational human being like Boxing Day.

[vamos scorcho]

I'm with boxing day on this one... there is a lot more fucked up things happening in our government right now, then scanner machines. Judging from the scan quality its not like you can even tell who the person is... its just meant to detect guns and shit. Here we have class warfare and deep corporate corruption and people freak out over a little nudity? Shit man, regulating the internet and wire tapping is 100x worse than this. How often do you people fly? Sheesh

 

i think it's not a question of prioritizing, it's that these airport body scanners are designed to get us to accept incremental dehumanization. If that doesn't bother you that's fine, you are entitled to that opinion. It's rather off putting though for someone who isn't bothered by these violations of privacy to be telling others not to worry about it. These airport body scanners make me not want to fly, they directly impact my life. Corporate corruption while awful, has not directly effected me to my knowledge. YOu are welcome to have an opinion that these are not a problem, but please don't say we are all paranoid or being irrational (if you really are with boxing day on this one). It's not specifically a logical fallacy which you've just laid out but it is somewhat fallacious to compare other things to this and make the argument that 'it's not that bad because of X' . We could go all day comparing bad things to other bad things...

 

the fact of it is, terrorism in the untied states is not a threat. if it was a genuinely likely threat, i might have a different opinion on airport security. Since statistically its not a serious threat, the fact that we're sitting here defending these is pretty shocking to me. Even though it's clear terrorism is not a serious threat, i still think people have PTSD from 9/11 and that's why they accept this so readily.

 

 

Correct.

 

The idea is basically to make people submit to authority. I see no other explanation. Yes, security will basically be flawless, but for what cost? To treat American citizens like criminals? Isn't that a method of torture - to strip a prisoner naked for all to see? It's dehumanizing. I really see no other way of looking at it.

 

So, if you are allowing authority to view your naked body (and paying them to do so - through taxes as well), you are essentially fucked. Your freedom is negotiable. You are powerless. For me, this is unacceptable. America is in a very bad place right now and the rest of the world sees it. Thankfully (and surprisingly) with the internet, many thoughtful foreigners are sympathetic to the American people, as opposed to being blindly hateful.

 

Keep thinking and educating yourself, the less stereotyping of "paranoid individuals" the better. Basically what I mean is this:

 

There's no more room for peasant bickering. We're essentially all in this together.

[karmakramer]

I'm with boxing day on this one... there is a lot more fucked up things happening in our government right now, then scanner machines. Judging from the scan quality its not like you can even tell who the person is... its just meant to detect guns and shit. Here we have class warfare and deep corporate corruption and people freak out over a little nudity? Shit man, regulating the internet and wire tapping is 100x worse than this. How often do you people fly? Sheesh

 

i think it's not a question of prioritizing, it's that these airport body scanners are designed to get us to accept incremental dehumanization. If that doesn't bother you that's fine, you are entitled to that opinion. It's rather off putting though for someone who isn't bothered by these violations of privacy to be telling others not to worry about it. These airport body scanners make me not want to fly, they directly impact my life. Corporate corruption while awful, has not directly effected me to my knowledge. YOu are welcome to have an opinion that these are not a problem, but please don't say we are all paranoid or being irrational (if you really are with boxing day on this one). It's not specifically a logical fallacy which you've just laid out but it is somewhat fallacious to compare other things to this and make the argument that 'it's not that bad because of X' . We could go all day comparing bad things to other bad things...

 

the fact of it is, terrorism in the untied states is not a threat. if it was a genuinely likely threat, i might have a different opinion on airport security. Since statistically its not a serious threat, the fact that we're sitting here defending these is pretty shocking to me. Even though it's clear terrorism is not a serious threat, i still think people have PTSD from 9/11 and that's why they accept this so readily.

 

I think being touched/patted down is more dehumanizing than some guy/girl seeing your body for a moment.

[Hoodie]

boy, karma, you just always go for the lesser of two evils, don't you?

[karmakramer]

edit time was up, but wanted to add this:

 

Also you can't seriously know with certainty terrorism is not a threat. Before 9/11 statistically it was considered "unthinkable" that 9/11 could happen. I'm not defending the government, but I'm also not assuming I know everything.

 

I'm simply confused on liberals priorities these days. Nudity doesn't bother me, the biggest wealth gap since right BEFORE the great depression does. Thats something that has the potential of causing GLOBAL damage... yet my thread got one response yesterday, while this rights violated stuff gets pages. Now if they started putting these scanners anywhere like shopping centers etc... then I would have a problem... but as of now, this just seems like a more effective proof positive way of checking for dangerous bombs/guns on planes. Sure its highly unlikely it will happen, but maybe thats because the security in airports have gotten so rigid, that its basically suicide to try and pull it off these days. Is that really all that bad?

[karmakramer]

boy, karma, you just always go for the lesser of two evils, don't you?

 

I'm simply looking at the situation more realistically. Lets say you get your way and all pat downs, random searches, scanners, xrays, everything is taken away from airports. Then lets say some guy brings a bomb on a plane and kills hundreds of people, maybe more. That act right there with Obama as President would send our civil rights back a lot more and our country back a lot more than having these scanners. In time as terrorism drifts away and 9/11 is a long distant memory for most, then the country might be able to normalize a little and relax. But these are fragile fearful times... so assuming our government doesn't want any more terrorist attacks, I'm fine with going to an airport and some dude/girl seeing a ghost outline of me. Like they even give a shit when they see 1,000s of these images a day

[Hoodie]