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goDel Grand Master

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I've just started watching this, on to the second series now, It does get a bit confusing at times (I haven't read the books- deal with it) but its seems aiiite.

 

 

It's a bit violent to women mind....

 

Edit: the name Joffry makes me feel physically sick.

It's violent to any living creature on the fictional planet, aiiite. There's also quite an amount of powerful women in there. So I don't think this series matches the old fashioned sexist label.

 

Now, where is that wooden chair leg?

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I've just started watching this, on to the second series now, It does get a bit confusing at times (I haven't read the books- deal with it) but its seems aiiite.

 

 

It's a bit violent to women mind....

 

Edit: the name Joffry makes me feel physically sick.

It's violent to any living creature on the fictional planet, aiiite. There's also quite an amount of powerful women in there. So I don't think this series matches the old fashioned sexist label.

 

Now, where is that wooden chair leg?

 

 

 

haha yeah, it is good to see 'powerful female leads' I did also find the fact that if you rape a girl enough she will eventually love you, which is nice (learnt helplessness?)

 

 

Also (this accounts for all TV) no man can surely just go in without any 'warm up' it like DOB said 'oh baby I like it rawwww' but I digress....

 

 

It was quite full on after watching over 30 hours of X files... (I'm on series four nearly on five, mulder is a riight creepy porn creep)

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ooo, but that's TV/film-logic. It's always about bluntly showing actions (apart from some Tarantino, for example, who actually focusses on the dialogue instead of some action). So the activity of sex, or "just going in" is - to a certain extent - a painful product of the limitations of the makers, who just don't have the amount of creative space - whatever that means - and time to show what should be in some awful script.

 

And I'm not sure which raped girl you mean in GOT, but I don't remember an example where a rape turned into "true love". Could be me though. Are you talking about the dragonlady? GOT especially is the kind of series where the raped girl kills the man in the end and runs of with the rich prince on the white horse. And "true love" only exists in fairy tales unlike GOT. GOT is about cynical powergames.

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jaime and cersei! lol

 

and robb stark and his elopement situation!

book spoiler

 

the joke was that the true love is either incest or ends in death for everyone

 

 

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ooo, but that's TV/film-logic. It's always about bluntly showing actions (apart from some Tarantino, for example, who actually focusses on the dialogue instead of some action). So the activity of sex, or "just going in" is - to a certain extent - a painful product of the limitations of the makers, who just don't have the amount of creative space - whatever that means - and time to show what should be in some awful script.

 

And I'm not sure which raped girl you mean in GOT, but I don't remember an example where a rape turned into "true love". Could be me though. Are you talking about the dragonlady? GOT especially is the kind of series where the raped girl kills the man in the end and runs of with the rich prince on the white horse. And "true love" only exists in fairy tales unlike GOT. GOT is about cynical powergames.

 

 

 

Joff-dog doing the dirty on that prostitute was pretty savage.. I dont know, call me crazy, but Im not a fan of rape scenes.

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Joff-dog is presented as a dog, if not worse. And as far as I can tell that's something prostitutes have to actually be able to deal with, tbh. To be fair though, I have to point out that I live in liberal Holland with the red lights district and all. So this stuff tends to be more openly discussed.

 

 

lol @ ducklips

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lolol

 

One of the best episodes so far, I think. Final scene was great.

 

 

Its funny how rixx complains about the role of women in GoT and then that happens.

 

The women in this show are strong (at least the main ones), i mean, season 3 is full of strong female characters, Queen of Torns, Margaery, Dany. There was this line Dany says to the translator girl "All men must die but we are not men".

 

This fictional universe is brutal, its just the way it is.

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I can sort of understand where rixx is coming from, in the sense that if you are new to the series, it could initially appear that the book is brutal towards women. That said, when you get deep in to the series, you realize that the brutality is applied to everyone. I think one of the best things George Martin has going for his books is that he is totally willing to spend the time building up a character and give them the potential to what could be seen as the ultimate hero, or villain etc, and then purge them either by outright killing them off or twisting their storyline so that they have no redeeming qualities whatsoever (and vice versa).

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