joshuatxuk Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 To lighten up this thread.... http://www.theonion....how-losi,26890/ True, and I was particularly annoyed when his editorial term "Islamofascism" His opinions were of his own intellectual judgement and considerations, he was never to be easily swayed by peers or public opinion. i find this personally hard to believe based on his islam writings, but i'll leave this thread to not beat a dead horse (or more specifically dead man) His positions in regards to Iraq prompted him to leave his post The Nation. He stood steadfast by his relentless critiques of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism while also finding himself coming to conclusions about foreign policy that isolated him from his liberal peers. That was my point. As for ruing the hope for new atheism, I'd blame the snarky arrogance of Sam Harris and Dawkins over Hitchen's debate style any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 celebrating the quasi intellectual ramblings of closet neocon Christopher Hitchens http://www.inconveni...his_critics.php while you say he made relentless critiques against all religions, he went much deeper and into some very unsavory and anti intellectual places in regards to Islam. Sorry i didn't know what point you were trying to make, i just have a vehement dislike for the 'legend' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Hitchens had a hatred of Islam that went beyond his hatred of Christianity or any other religion for that matter, it was really personal for him and I think that led to a lot of his less-than-righteous positions on certain things it's sad that this hatred dominated the last part of his life and that this is what most people will remember him for because he really was a gifted writer. but he kind of deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 yeah it is sad, oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Awepittance - of course he was known for other things - otherwise his opinions on Iraq wouldn't matter, nor would they have been given public voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 i was being kind of sarcastic. i'm sure he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 the pre-2001 HItchens is the witty writer and thinker that should be remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 the pre-2001 HItchens is the witty writer and thinker that should be remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Awepittance and Joseph, I hear you on the criticism about his more visceral commentary on Islam, especially coupled with his support for the 2003 Invasion. I find it remarkable that he could make more rational (but still wrong in my opinion as well) arguments for positions that would normally be only endorsed by the religious right and spineless liberal career politicians. Also, I was introduced to him via his writings on atheism and religion, which might explain my reaction better. I'm not an apologist, just a fan of much of his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 totally understandable, clearly we are each coming from completely different Mr. Hitchens eras. I personally have only really known of him for his contrarianish attitude regarding the war on terror, etc, his misogynistic writings, things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 someone's gotta be an asshole and try to louder and more shrill in order to be heard. Someone's gotta just take it that step further to be noticed. Does it work and do I agree with it? ehh..... But let's not shit on a guy who just died. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 The media has no balls to cover his death. God forbid one the Kardashians dies .. it will be front page news for months. I did not agree with his aggressive atheist doctrine,but he was a free thinker and tried to help the human race progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iep Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 To lighten up this thread.... http://www.theonion....how-losi,26890/ ah uh, i don't know what to say. ye, it's the onion and all, but. gulp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 a notable public writer has conflicted views and less-than-perfect character? well i never- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 i think it goes a bit deeper than that, the guy has been actively awful for the last 10 years gawker got it right imo http://gawker.com/5868761/christopher-hitchens-unforgivable-mistake He did immense good in his life, and unforgivable harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 much like any other important political/intellectual/social figure in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 not gonna disagree, but the demographic that is tearfully blubbing about his death is quite a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Id like to remember him for his talks on religion that I believe he did a service with, rather than the horrible things (sexism, warhawk). much like I celebrate Malcolm X for his structural critiques of capitalist society and not for his involvement in the Nation of Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nene multiple assgasms Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 i think it goes a bit deeper than that, the guy has been actively awful for the last 10 years I really don't want to pick a fight here, but what exactly about him was actively awful? as someone who grew up in a fundamentalist christian environment, for me he's one of the most inspirational speakers I've ever heard. watching his speeches and debates on youtube makes me feel optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 just read that gawker obit i think it covers all the points id cover except his blatant misogyny http://gawker.com/5868761/christopher-hitchens-unforgivable-mistake i grew up in a fundamentalist household too and i agree that some of his earlier stuff can be inspiring, but ever since he went all weird post-9/11 i haven't been able to hold anything but disdain for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nene multiple assgasms Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 just read that gawker obit i think it covers all the points id cover except his blatant misogyny http://gawker.com/58...givable-mistake so in a word, iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest futuregirlfriend Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cxqxFNXjyU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iep Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 so in a word, iraq. yeah but you have to repeat that word for ten years as things get progressively worse and refuse to stop repeating it in the face of incontrovertible proof that the entire reason you started saying it in the first place was utterly and completely wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cxqxFNXjyU Harry Potter is such an emo nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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