spratters Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I live in China. The police do not carry guns, nor do any citizens. Coming from the SF bay area, it feels like fucking heaven. in Heaven do they have censored internet? edit: there have 2 much worse shootings in oakland after the Oscar Grant incident both involving a clearly mentally unstable man brandishing a knife. What i find hard to understand is if someone doesnt have a gun why are cops still trained to shoot to kill? Why can't they do an Arnold style shoot the legs to disable them but not kill them. Is it just too much liability for the police department? to leave someone wounded but not killed? im confused COPs have lots of nonlethal weapons for that scenario as well (tasers, bean bag guns, etc) that would probably be effective. But if it's true that he was randomly firing into a crowded place would you really wanna take the call to just take him down with non-lethal force? Would this be enough to instantly stop him from firing more, possibly lethal, shots? When you've got that split second to react to the current situation you need to protect the innocent public. Reminds me a little of Jean Charles De Menezes. I knows it's vastly different factors but the split second decision is the deciding factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiddleBot Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 It was a bit disturbing they'd consider that ok to spotlight on a television show. That's because it makes for great TV. Going by the comments that a lot of these videos get (esp , a segment of the population who believes it's the duty of the cops to shoot to kill rather than find less lethal ways to diffuse violence on the streets) this stuff is like torture porn for them. Just think of the rating$! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiddleBot Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 But if it's true that he was randomly firing into a crowded place would you really wanna take the call to just take him down with non-lethal force? Would this be enough to instantly stop him from firing more, possibly lethal, shots? When you've got that split second to react to the current situation you need to protect the innocent public. Reminds me a little of Jean Charles De Menezes. I knows it's vastly different factors but the split second decision is the deciding factor. I agree that when someone is actually firing a gun that leaves little time to react. On the opposite hand, here in montreal a few weeks ago a homeless guy ran away from some cops and they opened fire on him. The thing is, it was during the beginning of the morning rush hour near a subway entrance and they ended up killing an innocent bystander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I live in China. The police do not carry guns, nor do any citizens. Coming from the SF bay area, it feels like fucking heaven.in Heaven do they have censored internet? this It was a bit disturbing they'd consider that ok to spotlight on a television show.That's because it makes for great TV. Going by the comments that a lot of these videos get (esp , a segment of the population who believes it's the duty of the cops to shoot to kill rather than find less lethal ways to diffuse violence on the streets) this stuff is like torture porn for them. Just think of the rating$! Yeah srsly. Old COPS episodes suddenly look like critically acclaimed documentaries compared to the reality TV programming of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benedict Cumberbatch Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 i'm waiting for the facts on this one but that video is disturbing for sure so either a. police are bad people or b. kid had a gun but when he fell he lost the gun, but police didnt know he lost the gun so were weary of approaching as they had all seen those movies where the bad guy is dead and you roll him over and theres the gun bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirezzi Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 It's understandable to assume the worst of BART / SFPD cops. Still, thanks for sharing more info, kcinsu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 When I watched the video, the word "Bayview" came to mind. Then I clicked on the link and whatayaknow. I'm on the fence about this thing because it seems like they haven't found the weapon yet [correct me if I'm wrong]. The thing about this incident is that the guy might have been a piece of shit, but they didn't know that until after they shot him. If they can prove he fired shots at them while running backwards [which is kind of ridiculous to think about...] they really don't have much to go on. Just looks like whitey being whitey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ranky Redlof Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I live in China. The police do not carry guns, nor do any citizens. Coming from the SF bay area, it feels like fucking heaven.in Heaven do they have censored internet? Joyrex bans boobs, you're still here. Seriously though - flick on vpn, problem solved. Youporn as much as you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benedict Cumberbatch Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 When I watched the video, the word "Bayview" came to mind. Then I clicked on the link and whatayaknow. I'm on the fence about this thing because it seems like they haven't found the weapon yet [correct me if I'm wrong]. The thing about this incident is that the guy might have been a piece of shit, but they didn't know that until after they shot him. If they can prove he fired shots at them while running backwards [which is kind of ridiculous to think about...] they really don't have much to go on. Just looks like whitey being whitey. yeah but you could in theory fire a shot and then turn and run. or you could buy a transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halisray Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 And this is why cops should not carry weapons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 When I watched the video, the word "Bayview" came to mind. Then I clicked on the link and whatayaknow. I'm on the fence about this thing because it seems like they haven't found the weapon yet [correct me if I'm wrong]. The thing about this incident is that the guy might have been a piece of shit, but they didn't know that until after they shot him. If they can prove he fired shots at them while running backwards [which is kind of ridiculous to think about...] they really don't have much to go on. Just looks like whitey being whitey. yeah but you could in theory fire a shot and then turn and run. or you could buy a transfer I was actually hoping a cop would ask me if I had a transfer today so I could show it and say "Don't shoot!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcinsu Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 if he was firing shots, then he deserved being shot. this isn't a taser scenario... I certainly would like more info on all of this, but if he did indeed fire at police, then what other outcome should/would there have been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest enxyme Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 This is a fucking outrage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 every time this happens, it turns into a fucking racial thing. that is what drives me absolutely nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaksta303 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 i'm waiting for the facts on this one but that video is disturbing for sure so either a. police are bad people or b. kid had a gun but when he fell he lost the gun, but police didnt know he lost the gun so were weary of approaching as they had all seen those movies where the bad guy is dead and you roll him over and theres the gun bang This is where I am at also. The trouble is, when will we know when we've gotten the facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcinsu Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 allow me to repeat... if he did indeed fire at police, then what other outcome should/would there have been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place. If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place. If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable. because he is ignorant and arrogant as fuck? i mean if dude was pimping out a 13 year old, he has issues. sounds like he wanted the thug life. and got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcinsu Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place. If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable. because he is ignorant and arrogant as fuck? i mean if dude was pimping out a 13 year old, he has issues. sounds like he wanted the thug life. and got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velazquez Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 bitch had it coming, carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place. If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable. because he is ignorant and arrogant as fuck? i mean if dude was pimping out a 13 year old, he has issues. sounds like he wanted the thug life. and got it. I wonder if that leprechaun news video would be suitable to post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velazquez Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 And this is why cops should not carry weapons... seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place. If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable. because he is ignorant and arrogant as fuck? i mean if dude was pimping out a 13 year old, he has issues. sounds like he wanted the thug life. and got it. I wonder if that leprechaun news video would be suitable to post here. i can not imagine where that video would not be suitable to post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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