Hugh Mughnus Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Hey all, So all the recent talk in the dnb singles forum has me into making drum n bass again. Now, I have reason, cubase, ableton, renoise etc... but.... I also have a roland dr-670 drum machine collecting dust. Does anyone have any experience with this or any other drum machines, or making drum n bass in general? Any tips on the mechanics and composition of drum n bass beats, breaks etc? For example, what counts the snares, hats, kicks etc fall on typically? I have pretty good knowledge of this stuff but would like to see some watmmer tips and maybe eventually share some tunes here. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Isn't dnb mostly about slicing up samples? Or am I thinking of jungle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 Isn't dnb mostly about slicing up samples? Or am I thinking of jungle... Well theres tons of samples in both... but they still made original beats. The specific "breaks" if you will were often attributed to certain artists and the specific types of bass were also attributed to certain artists (reece bass (alex reece) etc). I would like to learn how they made their beats (I am pretty good on making the bass etc already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Hmm, I would just pick some of your favorite tunes and transcribe them as closely as possible, note-for-note, even, paying special attention to mixing/layering because that seems to be where a lot of the magic of dnb/jungle (thinking of Photek here...) comes from. I don't know jack shit about the genre, really, though, so I'll STFU now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 Hmm, I would just pick some of your favorite tunes and transcribe them as closely as possible, note-for-note, even, paying special attention to mixing/layering because that seems to be where a lot of the magic of dnb/jungle (thinking of Photek here...) comes from. I don't know jack shit about the genre, really, though, so I'll STFU now. No worries =P. Yeah I've been doing that and getting some pretty good results actually in some respects. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundwave Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 i hate to say it but rolands mc505/303 wasnt too bad at doing drum n bass other than that an mpc would do the job easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Does anyone have any experience with this or any other drum machines, or making drum n bass in general? Any tips on the mechanics and composition of drum n bass beats, breaks etc? For example, what counts the snares, hats, kicks etc fall on typically? Here's a tip: Does it sound right? If yes, then awesome. If no, then keep working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perunamuusi Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 yeah that^ You should probably listen to some drum and bass then you will maybe know what steps the kicks and snares etc fall on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 yeah that^ You should probably listen to some drum and bass then you will maybe know what steps the kicks and snares etc fall on You DO realize every song is not the same, different styles of drum n bass have different formulations, right? Do you have anything constructive or helpful to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 an mpc would do the job easy I think an MPC would be a good choice, although for anything involving fast percussion, trackers are worth learning and trying. Steep learning curve but the workflow & speed payoff for beats is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Oh, you already mentioned Renoise. :P What's wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 Oh, you already mentioned Renoise. :P What's wrong with that? Renoise! I'm just learning how to use it/I'm really new to it. Maybe I'll give that a shot? I think v snares uses it for most of his breakcore? Just saying, yeah now that I think of it maybe that's a viable, learnable method for me! Good thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Haha! I was thinking before I noticed Renoise, maybe you'd given trackers a shot but got lost. A few of my friends did this. Just don't give up until you've made some tunes entirely in the tracker! I first learned trackers in college. I had to pause my social life and homework for a week, but after that I was hooked :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 don't feed the troll people. "which steps to my kicks and snares go on?..." I mean come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perunamuusi Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ez guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 LUDD, you shouldn't have deleted your comment (luckily, I can read all deleted posts- wooh!) because what you wrote was absolutely true. Listening to music and listening to details in a specific genre you're trying to recreate is pretty damn important. @StephenG You're asking what counts the snares, hihats etc. typically fall on and then you tell us not every song is the same(?). Use your ears. They are your main tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ascdi Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I would not want to make drum and bass on any drum machine, including an MPC. I do not recommend it, unless you reeeeeeaally like step-editing. Hint: you probably don't like step editing enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ok in all seriousness, the secret to excellent drum programing is to put a kick, snare and hi-hat on every step in a pattern and just use the part mutes to bring instruments in and out really fast to create your "beat". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryancolecreate Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 i just write my own midi files in hex_editor.exe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ascdi Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ok in all seriousness, the secret to excellent drum programing is to put a kick, snare and hi-hat on every step in a pattern and just use the part mutes to bring instruments in and out really fast to create your "beat". Sure, this works fine if you want to take the easy way out of starting from a "preset" drum pattern of all steps playing notes. Personally, I would never use presets in my music, and that's why I make drum patterns by putting white noise generators on every channel and using volume automation to shape my own custom drum sounds and beats out of the static. I could never live without the flexibility and precision of drawing 44,100 volume automation points per drum sound per bar (at 120 bpm, obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schlucharski Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 you never wanted to work, you wanted everything ez, you heard venetian snares, you said: thats me, ez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ok in all seriousness, the secret to excellent drum programing is to put a kick, snare and hi-hat on every step in a pattern and just use the part mutes to bring instruments in and out really fast to create your "beat". Sure, this works fine if you want to take the easy way out of starting from a "preset" drum pattern of all steps playing notes. Personally, I would never use presets in my music, and that's why I make drum patterns by putting white noise generators on every channel and using volume automation to shape my own custom drum sounds and beats out of the static. I could never live without the flexibility and precision of drawing 44,100 volume automation points per drum sound per bar (at 120 bpm, obviously). *jots it down* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I can never figure out in which threads to be sincere and helpful, and in which to be a facetious ass. I guess I chose wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Renoise! I'm just learning how to use it/I'm really new to it. Maybe I'll give that a shot? I think v snares uses it for most of his breakcore? Just saying, yeah now that I think of it maybe that's a viable, learnable method for me! Good thinking Just load up the Amen loop as a sample, set sync on from sample properties and use these effects http://tutorials.renoise.com/wiki/Pattern_Effect_Commands#Breakbeat_Tricks and voila jungle/breakcore/dnb/drill'n'bass beats. Ok, it might take some learning but that is the gist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 Some of this is actually interesting and useful information. Thanks to those that are contributing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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