azatoth Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Or it was a tightly written and rehearsed 15 minute TED speech by someone who has experience talking to a crowd of people....which would not diminish the message at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 true, it doesn't diminish the message at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 to me the transwoman in the video seems like an actor. very stilted and while you would say she is authentic if you knew that she is a theater actor I would call her appearance inauthentic as an actual person. I can't describe it but she constantly seems like disguising her voice to a higher pitch, reciting a well rehearsed speech and acting like a caricature of a women. don't get me wrong, I have no problem with it at all and she makes some excellent points about gender inequality/inequity. but it's a bit weird to watch a person that appears so fake talking about the "call of authenticity" not sure what you mean. isn't that inherent to being a transgender? There's still something left of her previous sex in her appearance. So odds are you might pick that up as inauthenticity. At least, that's the extent from what I understand from you words. Also, I can imagine identity being a very important part of a transgender. Moreso than your average cis-gender. So I guess she/he can be very aware of her/his own identity. Perhaps that's you're picking up. Might appear to you as a form of acting. From her perspective could be the other way around; a conscious effort to look for authenticity. Which she basically says in her talk as well. I'm guessing her whole notion of authenticity is completely different to my or any cis-gendered person's notion. For her it's not just a given. Part of it is acquired. As her appearance is part hormone therapy and part surgery. Dunno. Somehow fell the need to come to her defense, I guess. As I really don't think she was fooling the audience. Or trying to, anyways. Also notice how the audience picked up on her emotion when she started talking about her father at the end. It didn't really show in the clip, but you can hear the reaction of the audience (and in her voice). Seems very authentic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 to me the transwoman in the video seems like an actor. very stilted and while you would say she is authentic if you knew that she is a theater actor I would call her appearance inauthentic as an actual person. I can't describe it but she constantly seems like disguising her voice to a higher pitch, reciting a well rehearsed speech and acting like a caricature of a women. don't get me wrong, I have no problem with it at all and she makes some excellent points about gender inequality/inequity. but it's a bit weird to watch a person that appears so fake talking about the "call of authenticity" not sure what you mean. isn't that inherent to being a transgender? There's still something left of her previous sex in her appearance. So odds are you might pick that up as inauthenticity. At least, that's the extent from what I understand from you words. Also, I can imagine identity being a very important part of a transgender. Moreso than your average cis-gender. So I guess she/he can be very aware of her/his own identity. Perhaps that's you're picking up. Might appear to you as a form of acting. From her perspective could be the other way around; a conscious effort to look for authenticity. Which she basically says in her talk as well. I'm guessing her whole notion of authenticity is completely different to my or any cis-gendered person's notion. For her it's not just a given. Part of it is acquired. As her appearance is part hormone therapy and part surgery. Dunno. Somehow fell the need to come to her defense, I guess. As I really don't think she was fooling the audience. Or trying to, anyways. Also notice how the audience picked up on her emotion when she started talking about her father at the end. It didn't really show in the clip, but you can hear the reaction of the audience (and in her voice). Seems very authentic to me. She having a different definition of authenticity than most people could well be it. Usually you would say authenticity is closely related to naturalness but in her case it is the constant struggle against the traits that come with her natural sex so she like a lot of transgenders sometimes overcompensates a bit by imitating female gesturing and expression in an exaggerated way. I wasn't attacking her in any way, just telling what caught my eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Thats fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Some recommendations for anyone interested in trans ppl... Bixa travesty, a docu about Linn de Quebrada A Fantastic Woman, a fucking amazing film about a bereaved trans womanPARIS IS BURNING which is PARIS IS BURNINGClose knit, a beautiful querky film about a girl who goes to live with her uncle and meets his trans wifeMarilyn, an Argentinian true story, the real person is controversial in Argentina for reasons I wont go into here (spoilers?), not strictly speaking about a trans woman, as far as I know, more a gay man with trans/drag aspects Check out these people: Paris Lees (activist, amazing speaker), Contrapoints (fun youtuber), Bailey Jay (porn star, used to be so much fun on Twitter but sadly just advertises OnlyFans and Snapchat on there now...) and a song by who is now Anohnihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslkgAX3uAgand one of the few songs I like by Crystal Castles, just cuz (why not)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgKdyHcZJcsbtw if anyone needs any contacts or advice with trans stuff, dm me. sorry for the lack of trans men in the list :( dunno why I am not familiar with enough.oh and if u wanna fraternise with the enemy, check out Blaire White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 thanks, hoggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amen Warrior Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 sorry for the lack of trans men in the list :( dunno why I am not familiar with enough. I've read an opinion piece regarding the relative invisibility of trans men compared to trans women in public discourse, and how it's another manifestation of misogyny, what would your thoughts on that be? I'm inclined to agree, although I think a large unsung part of that is just the general perviness of cis men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I would also think that misogyny is why trans women are more visible in the discourse than trans men. Considering there's this whole TERF thing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 in all honesty, i probably wouldn't even notice. most of these guys just look like guys to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KGJS0IhSoE durrrr.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 sorry for the lack of trans men in the list :( dunno why I am not familiar with enough. I've read an opinion piece regarding the relative invisibility of trans men compared to trans women in public discourse, and how it's another manifestation of misogyny, what would your thoughts on that be? I'm inclined to agree, although I think a large unsung part of that is just the general perviness of cis men link to the piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Got to give it to them. It takes a lot of, yes, balls, to do this. I mean a transwoman is like a hair transplant. You only see the bad ones. Sorry, I been up for 24 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audioblysk Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 One of my employees is trans. She is an amazing person and customers love her for her personality and absolutely 100% not fukin phased by any idiots being cunts about her life and transition. I admire her strength TBH. It's funny, she brought in a pic of before when she dressed and was a typical 'boy'... but holy fuck we were all dying laughing at how much she already looked and acted like a female. People honestly give way too much of a shit about trans people for all the wrong/most disturbing reasons. Fear just leads to even less understanding.. and it's sad. I've heard so many men say disgusting things about how they would beat up a trans woman if they found out they were making out with them in a club or something. Shit always bothers me. Talk about absolutely frail masculinity if making out with someone who identifies as a woman makes you a queer or something if you honestly didn't know. Pathetic bros and insecure men who would probably do well with a good pegging are the biggest perpetrators of trans-fear-idiocy IMO. Gotta love peeps for who they are. THat's the rule IME/IMO. Love = Love and it doesn't hurt to be a good person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Is it OK if a transwoman makes out with a guy without telling him she was born male? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 making out seems pretty innocuous but imo at this point in the culture it is probaly best for the safety of the woman to say it before taking things further. too many people get murdered because of this madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Generally speaking, people can feel cheated when they realise that the person who they are in a relationship with, is not the person who they thought they were. Whether transgender or some other aspect. Could be anything really. Imo, it can be a perfectly understandable response when someone does feel cheated. It's equally problematic to say it shouldn't matter as it is to say that it should matter if someones trans. There's no right or wrong. At least not until violence comes into play. It's not just about acceptance of transgenders. It's also about trust. To put the blame squarely into the "does not tolerate transgenders" box doesnt do anyone justice. Although, in all likelyhood, it can be part of the equation. Lets not fool ourselves. But first and foremost, it's a relational thing. And, imo, to a lesser extent a cultural thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audioblysk Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Yeh, this was pertaining to violence being an answer for bro-bags who got 'duped' by a trans person. I'm not really sure the moral line of whether or not it's pertinent information to exchange if someone wants to get hot'n'heavy at a club with a trans woman because they find them attractive as a woman. I'd imagine that line would be broached at some point. Either way, shouldn't end in violence or the world ending. People are still pretty 1950's about sex in some ways. For instance, some people I've seen deriving their sexual identity based on if they ever tried something. Kissed a dude? Must be gay to have even thought about it. Are you a girl who likes to watch female only porn? Must be a lesbian. Made out with attractive transexual at a club without them halting the situation with trumpets to proclaim their sexual identity and history so that they may court someone like a suitor with horse-dancing or some shit? Kill them, you're gay and weird now and it's their fault you wanted to do it in the first place. See what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 But there IS a difference between women and transwomen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Wouldn't call that 50's though. Prejudices have been part of humans from the start. Putting a 50's stamp on it, might imply that it's a thing of the past (and not the future). And although specific prejudices might change over time, people will keep on being prejudiced. And it's also not just the 50s. It's simply bigger than that. Even if there might have been places and moments in time where people thought different about genders. Hell, there was a period guys wore whigs with long white hair! How trans is that!? (it's more crossdressing, but whatever) More interestingly though, I'm oddly reminded of my European background by not having the urge to immediately think in terms of lives being at stake. Could be my naivety. Might also be a lack of "guns". Living in a pro-gun society implies issues of life and death can be so much more immediate, I'm guessing. As a jerk could pull out a gun at any moment and bring an issue to some kind of conclusion. I simply don't have that experience. It's just not a thing. Issues don't tend to be issues of life and death. Not that it doesn't happen around here. It's just way less immediate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello spiral Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I was about to disagree with you there re:less likely in Europe but decided to check the numbers. Seems the US def has the hi score so far, ugh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people#2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amen Warrior Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 sorry for the lack of trans men in the list :( dunno why I am not familiar with enough. I've read an opinion piece regarding the relative invisibility of trans men compared to trans women in public discourse, and how it's another manifestation of misogyny, what would your thoughts on that be?I'm inclined to agree, although I think a large unsung part of that is just the general perviness of cis men link to the piece? Sorry I was looking for it when I first made the post but I can't find it :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I was about to disagree with you there re:less likely in Europe but decided to check the numbers. Seems the US def has the hi score so far, ugh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people#2018 Sharp increase in 2012 and again in 2015. I wonder whether the chance of being killed also increased, or it's just that the amount of transgenders sharply increased as well (due to better/available options to change gender) that increases the incidence of death by violence along with it. But that doesn't look like it could explain the increase, as you would have seen something similar internationally. (which to a certain extent it is, but not in the way that explains those increases in the us) I hate to say it, but somethings happening in the US and it scares me a bit. (read: i suspect some shady people pooring money into creating conflict (russian donations into the NRA for example??), with the effect of ...more conflict..) *puts on thinfoil cap* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amen Warrior Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 But there IS a difference between women and transwomen? In a purely reproductive sense I suppose, but kissing a trans woman won't make you gay dw ;) There's this idea that trans women are being deceitful if they don't immediately divulge their trans status before any sort of physical contact, like they have HIV or something. Should a man with a micropenis divulge that information on a first date? Should a lady with extra long dangly fanny flaps warn a man about it before they've shared their first kiss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 In the end a clit is something like a mini willy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello spiral Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 just the tip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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