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Oneohtrix Point Never - R Plus Seven


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I was at the Tinley Park show last night: I quite liked it. My only beef was that the OPN act was too short, in my opinion. It was under 30 minutes. Is that standard for opening acts at a big concert show like this? I don't go to many of those kind of events, so I'm not sure how normal that is. In any case, I like the direction of the pieces he played there, and I hope that there are releases in that vein soon via Warp. The visuals were great, too.

 

But here's the thing: someone on Warp's facebook page remarked that Trent might be overestimating his audience a bit. That was correct. Most of the people sitting near me (in the lawn, way in the back) were incapable of appreciating what OPN was all about. They called him a "DJ" for one thing, and I guess they were expecting some Skrillex type stuff. They were only interested in drinking their shitty beer from plastic cups and doing air guitar along with Soundgarden or singing along with Trent about animalistic sexual congress. For the most part, OPN was too weird for that group. I was probably one out of 2 per 100 people in my vicinity (perhaps a representative sample of the crowd composition at this point of the show) who applauded. But I wouldn't say that the OPN show wasn't successful: perhaps the aim was to confront people and put them outside of their comfort zones. If so, then it worked. The thing is, the tunes he played weren't entirely cerebral--there was some serious emotion in all three acts (that's what I gleaned from the set, that there were three main acts in the show). The first act especially seemed appropriate for fellow NIN fans. It's not like Trent's music is entirely conventional, or that his visuals have not been electronic, strobe-y, or disconcerting. So I can totally see the thinking behind this combination (and I genuinely appreciated it), but I guess people only want what they're used to.

 

In summary, I bought a sweet OPN t-shirt (I was hoping they would have the slime-logo one, and they did), and I got to enjoy 23 minutes of great OPN music, endured a tolerable Soundgarden show (Cornell seemed sloshed), and was pleasantly surprised by a well-choreographed NIN show. I would recommend it, if you can attend.

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apriorion, did he play a lot of new material? I though he tweeted something about a new song for the show....

saw him in DC on the Rplus7 show and it was awesome... i would kill for that tour tshirt.

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As far as I could discern, it was all new material. The middle act had visuals that were similar to the video for "Problem Areas", but even that was importantly different. I thought I spotted a few sounds that were r+7ish, but the general composition was more drone/distortion chord-heavy, less choppage. The way that the act seemed to go was like this:

 

1st act: rhythmic, loud bass line leading into some organ & distortion chords (visuals were a stutter-y cyber-hand with phosphorescent steam coming out of its palm, which transitioned into a strobing positive/negative collage of some recognizable shapes mixed into some strange textures. On the right hand side was the alternating letters "O", "P", "N" from that new logo (which annoying everyone likens to the korn logo), which transitioned into the subliminal ad flash from the "Still life excerpt" video).

2nd act: slightly more r+7 style music, but not anything I recognized from the released recordings (visuals were CG rooms with objects like chairs that would occasionally spazz out, or look like they were turing into road flares, then the frame would scroll upward and it would be a different image of a disembodied hand on a table with a clear sphere next to it, and that would scroll up... pretty oddly nightmarish, like being in a 4-d trap).

3rd act: shift to more contemplative, Vangelis-style chords. If anything, this reminded me of "Describing Bodies" or "Stress Waves", which I'm very happy about--I personally prefer that sort of music to the r+7 stuff (which I also like, just to be clear). (visuals were slideshows of still images of museum-type objects which may or may not have been CG. I couldn't tell.)

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Sounds awesome.

 

 

On the right hand side was the alternating letters "O", "P", "N" from that new logo (which annoying everyone likens to the korn logo)

 

Are you annoyed because they are from the Korn logo, or are you annoyed because everyone thinks they are? Cause I thought they were ripped directly from their logo.

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nice review apriorion. I think it's cool that opn has this opportunity, must be pretty thrilling to go on stage before a nin audience and play weirdo electronic music. I feel like I should have gone.

 

also, I too thought the new logo was supposed to be ripped off from korn. isn't that lopatin's thing visually, to appropriate imagery? like, aren't all of his album covers "unoriginal?" and isn't the name a kind of ripoff of some radio station? I feel like that's just his thing. maybe not. fml.

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Thanks, Alco. I also thought that it was a good opportunity for people who haven't heard of OPN's weird music, but it seemed like only a few people we're open-minded about it. Most of the people in our vicinity wrote him off because they thought he was a DJ who was going to bring the "beats". But then when they realized that he wasn't a dubstep guy, they wrote him off as boring or something. Either way, they weren't prepared to try his perspective. My son told me that when I applauded, a couple of guys near us groaned and muttered "Ugh, don't encourage him."

On the logos thing: I don't deny that there might be an intentional similarity there, but it's not like Korn had kornered the market (sorry) on jaggedy fonts. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to point that out and to get hung up on it. It's not something that really deserves anything more than one observation, and certainly not complaints on the guy's facebook page like "It's totally not cool how you ripped off Korn's logo, man."

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By the way, I wanted to note about the crowd that it's pretty amusing to me how the segment of the NIN fanbase that is roughly around my age (mid-thirties) have basically turned into the same people who were the middle-aged G'n'R loser fans from the mid-ninties. All of the people I knew in high school who liked NIN insisted that there was more to them than the Motley Crue types: how obviously wrong they were. I saw many instances of that droopy-tits futurama lady-archetype in the lawn, i.e.,

 

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On the logos thing: I don't deny that there might be an intentional similarity there, but it's not like Korn had kornered the market (sorry) on jaggedy fonts. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to point that out and to get hung up on it. It's not something that really deserves anything more than one observation, and certainly not complaints on the guy's facebook page like "It's totally not cool how you ripped off Korn's logo, man."

 

I don't get the point you're trying to make. It seems to me that the logo is a direct parody of Korn's... are you saying it isn't?

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On the logos thing: I don't deny that there might be an intentional similarity there, but it's not like Korn had kornered the market (sorry) on jaggedy fonts. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to point that out and to get hung up on it. It's not something that really deserves anything more than one observation, and certainly not complaints on the guy's facebook page like "It's totally not cool how you ripped off Korn's logo, man."

 

I don't get the point you're trying to make. It seems to me that the logo is a direct parody of Korn's... are you saying it isn't?

 

 

it clearly is a reference to the korn logo. I saw and instantly got the association. brand recognition for the band KORN. which is hilarious that the association even worked, when you think about it. I remember checking in half doubt the comments section for the post on facebook regarding the t-shirt design on OPN's facebook page, and majority of the comments were laughing at the korn reference.

 

I have absolutely no idea how anyone could look at it, especially in comparison to the korn logo, and try and argue that it isn't a reference to korn.

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On the logos thing: I don't deny that there might be an intentional similarity there, but it's not like Korn had kornered the market (sorry) on jaggedy fonts. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to point that out and to get hung up on it. It's not something that really deserves anything more than one observation, and certainly not complaints on the guy's facebook page like "It's totally not cool how you ripped off Korn's logo, man."

 

I don't get the point you're trying to make. It seems to me that the logo is a direct parody of Korn's... are you saying it isn't?

 

I don't deny that it's a reference ('parody' in not quite the right term). Don't worry if you cannot understand my point.

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For anyone into skateboarding, might dig this. One of the parts in the video (also on youtube), Chris Millic, uses 'Meet Your Creator' for the ender.

Yes! I love this. The skating community and the experimental electronic community almost never mix. Speaking of which, I just got some new skate shoes. I think I'm gonna go practice my tre flips.

 

Also, NIN opening set sounds great. Wish I could go to one.

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