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is it true Go Plastic by Squarepusher featured no computer wizardry?

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#26 MisterE

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 10:09 PM

 

well considering that any kind of digital doohickey is a computer, if he used a digital sequencer, then no. its not the case.

Not all digital doohickeys are computers

 

the ones used to produce this album were



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 11:01 PM

err...I remember one interview where he briefly %3


err...I remember one interview where he briefly %3



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 11:04 PM

err...I remember one interview where he briefly %3



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 03:36 AM

eh, the footage of "him" using reaktor and cooledit and stuff is obviously stock footage sliced in in this interview .

 

he's stated a few times that go plastic was made using the qy700, fs1r, tx81z, s6000 and eventide orville+dsp4000. the eventides are pretty damn powerful, especially when you start to control various parameters over midi. it doesn't sound that impossible to me that he did it without a computer.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 03:43 AM

yeh the eventides seem like pretty powerful dsp computers



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 05:08 AM

well considering that any kind of digital doohickey is a computer, if he used a digital sequencer, then no. its not the case.

Not all digital doohickeys are computers
err, wrong. digital implies computing or the digits would be useless. even a digital watch is a computer, I see what you're getting at though.

also what if tom was lying?

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:57 AM

heh my connection went down last night. anyway, in that interview tom explains briefly his technical breakthroughs in each album.

like Go plastic is his first album using a computer and his own reaktor algorithms.but maybe he lied?

that interview was around the time hello everything came out,it was in that old page.


Edited by rekosn, 13 July 2014 - 10:59 AM.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 11:08 AM

nevermind.carry on

http://forum.watmm.c...epusher-trivia/



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 11:14 AM

there is a video someone found of Squarepusher using cooledit pro 2.0 during the era of Go Plastic, which is pretty much exactly what I predicted he used to do a lot of the hyper editing and effects on Go Plastic. A lot of people claim he did all the effects entirely on an Eventide effects processor, which could also be true but he'd still have to stitch them all together to get those quick editing sounds (like a long reverb tail on one snare being abruptly cut off), hence a DAW wave editor. The sequencing and composition could have been done on hardware I guess. . 

 

 

eh, the footage of "him" using reaktor and cooledit and stuff is obviously stock footage sliced in in this interview .

 

he's stated a few times that go plastic was made using the qy700, fs1r, tx81z, s6000 and eventide orville+dsp4000. the eventides are pretty damn powerful, especially when you start to control various parameters over midi. it doesn't sound that impossible to me that he did it without a computer.

 

Sweet, recalled this info vagely, glad someone else posted them



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:47 AM

a qy700 is unmistakably a computer, and a daw, just not traditionally.

Aye, you can see it in action doing DAW like things here -



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:56 AM

It's not a computer if it can't run Linux.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:09 PM

 

 

well considering that any kind of digital doohickey is a computer, if he used a digital sequencer, then no. its not the case.

Not all digital doohickeys are computers
err, wrong. digital implies computing or the digits would be useless. even a digital watch is a computer, I see what you're getting at though.

also what if tom was lying?

 

Digital only implies discrete values as opposed to the continuous ones of analog

You can make all sorts of digital circuits (doohickeys) that aren't computers and don't compute anything mathematically valuable



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:26 PM

name some digital gear that fits that description then

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:31 PM

Pretty sure digital just refers to signal processing... "digital" circuitry is discrete values like zeff said... basically "on" or "off" (1 or 0) where analog is always on, it is a continuous flow of electricity. 


https://www.bu.edu/w...gn/CognStuf.htm

 

And this guy on yahoo answers does a decent job of explaining it.... not sure what his credentials are though.

 

https://ca.answers.y...28010436AABJT97


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:35 PM

that said, that's based off a quick google search. I don't claim to have an understanding of such things.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:38 PM

I think we can all agree that

 

he is a madman

 

and that this album is untouchable.

 

been missing Tom lately.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 06:58 PM

Pretty sure digital just refers to signal processing... "digital" circuitry is discrete values like zeff said... basically "on" or "off" (1 or 0) where analog is always on, it is a continuous flow of electricity. 

https://www.bu.edu/w...gn/CognStuf.htm
 
And this guy on yahoo answers does a decent job of explaining it.... not sure what his credentials are though.
 
https://ca.answers.y...28010436AABJT97

i know this, I'm just saying you'd be hard pressed to find any digital gear that wasn't a computer of some sort.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 07:50 PM

Oh, yeah you're right on that I imagine.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:09 PM

If it performs logical operations based on discrete signal processing then it's computing, just sayin.  Like how cars these days all have computers in them.  But can they run coolwave pro?  Maybe, I dunno, all I'm getting at is how badass it'd be if Tom made an album on a turing machine



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:25 PM

after listening to that album over and over, the freedom it displays is pretty hard to do on a computer

considering what can be done with custom patches on those eventides+program changes, i think he just pushes gear to far beyond conventional means



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:27 PM

I don't doubt that it can be done, but I really think he was using more PC during that time than people on here want to admit. It was released in 2001, right before Drukqs, which is more than likely all computer/laptop based compositions besides the piano pieces. ..

 

I have a hard time believing that being mates with Aphex and that lot that he was still low-teching it that hard. 



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:42 PM

I don't doubt that it can be done, but I really think he was using more PC during that time than people on here want to admit. It was released in 2001, right before Drukqs, which is more than likely all computer/laptop based compositions besides the piano pieces. ..

 

I have a hard time believing that being mates with Aphex and that lot that he was still low-teching it that hard. 

yeah man and go plastic is compressed to hell and back. to me it sounds like his first real computer based album and when i noticed that he claims no computer was involved, i honestly felt like he was fucking with us. i still think he is! 

"my fucking sound" for example. i mean come on... spliced tape for that track? YEAH RIGHT!

also, this thread is closing in on 500 views. glad i asked this question because it seems a lot of people were interested in it. 

 



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:45 PM

 

I don't doubt that it can be done, but I really think he was using more PC during that time than people on here want to admit. It was released in 2001, right before Drukqs, which is more than likely all computer/laptop based compositions besides the piano pieces. ..

 

I have a hard time believing that being mates with Aphex and that lot that he was still low-teching it that hard. 

yeah man and go plastic is compressed to hell and back. to me it sounds like his first real computer based album and when i noticed that he claims no computer was involved, i honestly felt like he was fucking with us. i still think he is! 

"my fucking sound" for example. i mean come on... spliced tape for that track? YEAH RIGHT!

also, this thread is closing in on 500 views. glad i asked this question because it seems a lot of people were interested in it. 

 

 

 

Allllll wrong...

 

compressed as fuck? wtf ?



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 10:55 PM

All you hairsplitters can have a beer and chill out. The use of "computer" in the quote obviously refers to "general purpose computer", ie a computer that can run off-the-shelf software and peripherals. Don't be daft. 

 

 

To put the argument on its head, the analog low pass filter in your [insert vintage synthesizer] could be called a "computer" even, as RC-circuits perform integration and differentiation.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Integrator

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/RC_circuit

 

 

 

Also:

http://en.wikipedia....Analog_computer



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 10:59 PM

Digital only implies discrete values as opposed to the continuous ones of analog

 

 

You can make all sorts of digital circuits (doohickeys) that aren't computers and don't compute anything mathematically valuable

 

 

 

name some digital gear that fits that description then

 







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