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who can download from soundcloud, 'cause i can't... how is possible? evolution of soundcloud with protection of uploading tracks? oh sh.....!!!

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Welcome back Anchio ;)

 

yo thanks Herr Jan! ;-) peace & b wild!

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Warp just reposted the track on Facebook ! Imminent ?

phlex said it it wouldn't be released again in his lifetime by warp but i hope he was just pulling our sacks

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Warp just reposted the track on Facebook ! Imminent ?

phlex said it it wouldn't be released again in his lifetime by warp but i hope he was just pulling our sacks

 

 

 

which track? the soundcloud track rdj posted days ago, or the track(s) from the houston white label? (i dont read da fakebook!)

 

if warp reposted the soundcloud track i think you're confusing the two...

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I get the CCAI2 vibes with this track. 

 

By the way, have I missed other tracks that he might have put up and took down again on SC the last few months? 

Nope.

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Warp just reposted the track on Facebook ! Imminent ?

phlex said it it wouldn't be released again in his lifetime by warp but i hope he was just pulling our sacks

 

 

 

which track? the soundcloud track rdj posted days ago, or the track(s) from the houston white label? (i dont read da fakebook!)

 

if warp reposted the soundcloud track i think you're confusing the two...

 

i'm confused by hearing 3 new afx tracks in one month, i need a cold shower

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Soundcloud is apparently gonna go bankrupt soon (most likely), so hopefully Richard finds somewhere else to post the tracks. I vote bandcamp so we can give him our cash

 

"They" have been saying that for years, I'm not fearing any change anytime soon.

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I doubt Soundcloud is going to go bankrupt, they're fairly successful and I only see people on this forum saying they're going to go bankrupt. I just think they have hit a ceiling of how much money they can make currently. It's obvious their GO thing failed, when it's much easier to just go to spotify, itunes, etc.

It seems like they make most of their money from ads, and then from the suckers (like me) who shell out 10 bucks a month to have a little more control over their tracks.

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Are they actually MAKING money now?  In 2013 the company lost 29 million Euro, 39m in 2014, and 51m in 2015. 

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06343600/filing-history/MzE2NTI4NzczOWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

 

I know they have changed their business model and shacked up with Big Music to try and actually turn a profit, maybe 2016 was absolutely phenomenal for them (their 2016 financial statements haven't been published on GOV.uk yet)... but generally speaking, companies that lose boatloads of money year after year don't last forever unless their government bails them out or they sell to a bigger company.

http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/google-mulling-soundcloud-buyout-say-whispers-sony-universals-stakes-revealed/

 

Co-founder of SoundCloud, Alexander Ljung, says:

 

The assumption of a successful launch of the new subscription service is the key element of [our] financial projections for the next three years… [This] bears financial risks regarding the operating results and cash flows of the group. 

 

The occurrence of these risks can seriously affect the ability of the group to generate sufficient cash to cover the planned expenditures and could require the Group to raise additional funds which have not yet been agreed.

 

SoundCloud may run out of cash earlier than December 31, 2017…These matters give rise to a material uncertainty about the Group’s ability to continue as a growing concern.

 

Whilst the directors believe that the Group will have sufficient funds to continue to meet its liabilities through 31 December 2017, the risks and uncertainties may cause the company to run out of cash earlier than that date, and would require the Group to raise additional funds which are not currently planned.

 

If their new business model is not a smashing run-away success then they'll probably either have to sell to Google for half of what they thought they were worth, or wind the company down and hope they have enough cash remaining to pay off all the money they borrowed (over $40 million US) from a few private investors in California in April 2015. 

Running out of cash and not being able to repay debts is pretty much the definition of going bankrupt.  Depending on their repayment terms, with that debt ($40m + 5% interest) they could be facing a multi-year financial requirement to not only prevent losing another 180+ million over the next 3 years, but also to consistently generate enough "spare" revenue to repay their creditors.  The most revenue (not the same as profit) they have managed to generate in a year is 21 million.  Even if their 2016 and 2017 revenue is triple what it was in 2015, they would likely still lose money in both those years, especially if they continue tacking on an extra 10m per year in losses in order to generate that revenue.  Based on the fact that the co-founder states that they could run out of cash this year if the business model they implemented last year isn't working, I doubt their 2016 revenues were 4x higher than 2015, so... I'd wager they lost money again.  In my opinion the company is not doing well at all, financially anyway, but time will tell if the new boat floats or not.

 

If they end up selling to Google, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that Google'd cannibalize the essence of SoundCloud, port that into their Google Play suite, then pull a Revolv and put the legacy SC site on 6-months-until-bricked notice, giving developers a chance to learn the new API and users a chance to migrate their tracks.  I'd expect a hefty round of DRM/fingerprinting against the incoming audio.

 

Employee ratings of the company took a dive a while back and haven't gone back up, which usually not a good sign.  Half the reviewers think SC are not doing well, and many don't believe they have a future there.  (screenshot of Glassdoor.com page)

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Nice post jsm. It'd be a shame for the site to die, cos it's pretty much the best way of finding underground music imo. 

 

In terms of RDJ's soundcloud, I guess it just depends on if he's ever going to upload more tracks. I doubt he's going to re-upload the ~200 tracks that used to be up, but seeing as we got a new track a couple of weeks ago I wouldn't be surprised if he just drip feeds us with a new upload every couple of months. If he does that then I really hope he finds a more permanent place to upload them, it'd be a shame to lose access to them.

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Really don't believe the subscription thing will save them. That is not going to fly. Not sure who will buy sc though. There's not a working business model, unless google can somehow make it work by reducing costs to keep it in the air.

 

Hope richie will move his tracks to bleepstore and considers adding soundcloud functionalities to it. So the platform to post and chat about music is combined with directly buying them. (don't think bleep is wealthy enough to buy sc though)

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Hope Matt Dryhurst spends more time working on his Saga thing and making it more viable for general folks to use and/or that Resonate thing.

 

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Nice post jsm. It'd be a shame for the site to die, cos it's pretty much the best way of finding underground music imo. 

 

It certainly would be a shame - most of the money I've spent on music in the last 4 years was a direct result of discovering new indie artists through SC.  Problem is, the sales took place on Bandcamp or elsewhere!

 

Really don't believe the subscription thing will save them. That is not going to fly. Not sure who will buy sc though. There's not a working business model, unless google can somehow make it work by reducing costs to keep it in the air.

 

Hope richie will move his tracks to bleepstore and considers adding soundcloud functionalities to it. So the platform to post and chat about music is combined with directly buying them. (don't think bleep is wealthy enough to buy sc though)

 

Bleep is definitely not in a position to acquire a company that is bleeding money.  As of June 2015, Bleep Limited was worth NEGATIVE 116k GBP.  Fortunately, Warp Records owns 80% of Bleep, and Warp is on pretty stable financial ground -116k isn't gonna make or break them.  Bleep seems to be turning things around though, and I bet Autechre's store made a nice improvement to the company's 2016 finances.  If Richard joined them, it could make a huge difference.

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Nice post jsm. It'd be a shame for the site to die, cos it's pretty much the best way of finding underground music imo. 

 

It certainly would be a shame - most of the money I've spent on music in the last 4 years was a direct result of discovering new indie artists through SC.  Problem is, the sales took place on Bandcamp or elsewhere!

 

 

That's the thing I don't understand about SC. Why not introduce store-functionalities without linking to external stores? Bandcamp misses the chatter from SC. And SC misses the buy options from Bandcamp.

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Nice post jsm. It'd be a shame for the site to die, cos it's pretty much the best way of finding underground music imo. 

 

It certainly would be a shame - most of the money I've spent on music in the last 4 years was a direct result of discovering new indie artists through SC.  Problem is, the sales took place on Bandcamp or elsewhere!

 

 

That's the thing I don't understand about SC. Why not introduce store-functionalities without linking to external stores? Bandcamp misses the chatter from SC. And SC misses the buy options from Bandcamp.

 

 

 

good point. having followers and interaction on top of being able to purchase albums would be cool. 

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Going back through the dump and downloaded the final version, surprising amount of tracks I missed at the time or had in lower quality.

 

Gonna mix up a load of it again now I've had more time to digest it all.

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Bloody hell, takes a while to sort through on a tablet the context of the comment you quoted. The number of comments per track is epic, so I stay away from trawling through there. eneewae

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So, um, not to sound like a lazy bastard but is there anywhere that has a complete list/links/etc. to the SC dump tracks? I couldn't keep up and gave up listening to all the new (old) shit about a year ago...some wonderful soul had compiled the tracks into "Old Tapes" download packs, of which I have 1-12. Where should I start looking/listening to more? It can't be as simple as just going through the SC page, right? He was deleting shit left and right back then, I assume that habit held up?

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