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10 minutes ago, ignatius said:

 

"we're on your side!" yelled the white trust fundie from his beer pong table as people die in the streets

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brutal. 

 

 

 

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why are places like the UK and France rioting? Whats it to do with them? There's no racism in the Uk, last I heard

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58 minutes ago, Lada Laika said:

"we're on your side!" yelled the white trust fundie from his beer pong table as people die in the streets

Big Brain Time indeed. 
 

You definitely aren’t capable of caring about civilians getting murdered unless you break an innocent bystander’s window. Bonus points if they’re white, right? Because that will get them to like you and care even more about this issue than before. 

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i don't use Apple Music but this is pretty cool

 

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45 minutes ago, Candiru said:

Big Brain Time indeed. 
 

You definitely aren’t capable of caring about civilians getting murdered unless you break an innocent bystander’s window. Bonus points if they’re white, right? Because that will get them to like you and care even more about this issue than before. 

He's doing the same thing the cops do. Take everything at face value. You don't know anything about those people. I used to party like that when I was in college. My Dad was grampa Joe from willy Wonka basically. Poor as dirt but I was in school and trying to make the best of it. 

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1 hour ago, Candiru said:

Big Brain Time indeed. 
 

You definitely aren’t capable of caring about civilians getting murdered unless you break an innocent bystander’s window. Bonus points if they’re white, right? Because that will get them to like you and care even more about this issue than before. 

man you are twisted aren't you? 

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46 minutes ago, Lada Laika said:

man you are twisted aren't you? 

You’re the one making assumptions about innocent bystanders getting bricks thrown through their window and saying it’s cool because they’re white. Which is the kind of thinking we’re all supposed to be against, right? Feel free to explain your enlightened ways to me and how this will solve unfair treatment of people of specific races. 

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Guys. You are two of my favorite WATMMers. Stop fighting.

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not sure if this is legit, wouldn't surprise me in the least if so

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^i laughed my ass off at that guy on the LA call 

this was good to see too: after the bullshit outside the White House yesterday evening even more people showed up tonight, instead of being deterred

 

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RE: the rock thrown tweet

It's not worth nitpicking these specific often baffling slices of chaos and forcing people to pin their entire ideological and political views on how they react to it.  I think the original tweet's take is about all that can be said about it. It's a flash point of public vulnerability and risk with private privilege and protection. It highlights that there's so much complacency, apathy, and minimal "solidarity" among many people. The guy saying "we're on your side" does epitomize the casual privileged liberal trope. 

I feel like the point of the clip was highlighting just how fucking nuanced and multi-layered this shit is. It's a window into the fact that between the police state and the protesters in the street there's a plethora of people completely detached from this and they are reacting in various ways including tuning it out for the most part. 

I stand with the protests and accept the riots and looting as a reality that comes with substantive changes. The 1968 Civil Rights Act wasn't passed until after MLK was assassinated the country erupted in riots and mayhem. RFK was killed after. Opponents of it - segregationists, racists elite, etc. pulled the same bullshit rhetoric they're pulling now.

Progress and change isn't just gradual and hard to achieve but it's extremely bloody and upsetting. Part of picking a side is reconciling the fact that you are going to have to side with violence and anger expressed by others. It's not a fucking game. It's not an idealized fictional story. Even the "good wars" and the movements of "peace" involved side acts of violence that were morally hard pills to swallow.

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if those beer pong frat bros were on their side theyd be down there protesting, not doing thumbs up while filming themselves in the window

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2 hours ago, marf said:

He's doing the same thing the cops do. Take everything at face value. You don't know anything about those people. I used to party like that when I was in college. My Dad was grampa Joe from willy Wonka basically. Poor as dirt but I was in school and trying to make the best of it. 

did you sit around and party like that when you were in college while a literal protest was right outside your window which you didn't bother joining and instead filmed yourself for social media?

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5 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

if those beer pong frat bros were on their side theyd be down there protesting, not doing thumbs up while filming themselves in the window

A lot of people still want to avoid the rona. 

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yeah, man... people are being simultaneously asked to stay home during a pandemic to prevent unnecessary mass death, and to go out in large crowds to protest horrible unjust death. either choice arguably makes you responsible for the potential suffering of innocent people. it's such a fucked choice. a deadly dual spectre of brutality and pestilence. no matter your political standing, staying home makes you a turncoat to someone. 2020 can go straight to hell. 

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13 minutes ago, luke viia said:

yeah, man... people are being simultaneously asked to stay home during a pandemic to prevent unnecessary mass death, and to go out in large crowds to protest horrible unjust death. either choice arguably makes you responsible for the potential suffering of innocent people. it's such a fucked choice. a deadly dual spectre of brutality and pestilence. no matter your political standing, staying home makes you a turncoat to someone. 2020 can go straight to hell. 

I don't think I articulated it earlier but this was what I was getting at. There's a lot of people in-between: between those with little to lose by taking out their anger in the streets - the poor, those unemployed, those from the various godawful socioeconomic conditions this country maintains, etc. and between the truly elite out of touch privileged folks who also largely control this government. 

Some examples of people who stand in solidarity with this but can't participate: doctors, nurses, EMS staff, state workers and bureaucrats in non-law enforcement agencies, lawyers and defense attorneys, public transit workers, day laborers, factory workers, working undocumented residents with kids, etc. Some are essential workers. Some would face immediate and dire blowback in the form of being fired and/or blackballed in their career. I know a lot of liberal and leftist state workers who perpetually hold their tongue and work hard to push whatever legislation they can through (and do so with little if any appreciation) who can't say anything remotely raw and honest online or in public without losing their jobs and the time and effort they've invested as civil servants. 

Are there people being hypocrites and paying lip service? Of course. But there's a lot of people who are quiet or silent who want to get involved but can't because it's not their time, it's not the most pragmatic move they can make, or it's not worth the consequences to their personal life...or a combination of all of those things. 

1 hour ago, ignatius said:
 

 

I bet at least one of those goons was at this or something similar.

 

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Yep, essential worker here who couldn’t protest, or call out of work because someone I work with is getting tested for Covid and we are shorthanded. 
 

I’ve gone to at least a couple others in the past few years, but not this time. I’ll catch the next one in three months or whatever. 

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