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So you think in a pointed question about his addiction, where police had previously mentioned that, the responder should have backtracked on already publicly available information. 
 

So the other two murdered because they were there. Where were they exactly? In massage parlours. 
Let’s reframe it. If it were strictly racially motivated, why didn’t the suspect go to the nearest Asian grocer? 

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he killed a bunch of Asians, that's all you need to know. all this equivocating and masturbating about the how and why doesn't erase that fact. I could just as easily ask you a similarly stupid question like "if he wasn't racist and just wanted to kill bc horny, why didn't he go shoot up people indiscriminately in a sex club?" it's irrelevant.

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8 minutes ago, usagi said:

he killed a bunch of Asians, that's all you need to know. all this equivocating and masturbating about the how and why doesn't erase that fact. I could just as easily ask you a similarly stupid question like "if he wasn't racist and just wanted to kill bc horny, why didn't he go shoot up people indiscriminately in a sex club?" it's irrelevant.

oh god. "bc horny".. there's probably already a "bonk go to horny jail" meme w/this guy's face. 

regarding the victims, some of them were customers. there's some info here:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/18/978742409/what-we-know-about-the-victims-of-the-atlanta-area-shootings

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Four people were killed in the shooting at Youngs Asian Massage in Acworth, Ga., the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office said on Wednesday. They have been identified as Delaina Ashley Yaun, Paul Andre Michels, Xiaojie Tan and Daoyou Feng. The sole survivor, Elcias R. Hernandez-Ortiz, remains hospitalized with injuries.

Police in Atlanta have not yet named the four female victims of the shootings in that city, which targeted two spas across the street from each other. An Atlanta Police Department incident report indicated three of the women were between 52 and 75 years of age. Police were unable to determine a date of birth for the fourth victim. 

An APD incident report listed fatal gunshot wounds as the cause of death for all four victims. South Korea's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said on Wednesday that four of those killed in Tuesday's attacks were of Korean descent, The Korea Herald reports.

As the nation mourns and calls for change, details are beginning to emerge about some of the victims of Tuesday's attacks. NPR will update this page as more information about the victims becomes available.

Delaina Yaun, 33, of Acworth, Ga. 

Yaun and her husband, Mario Gonzalez, were getting a couples massage after work on Tuesday at Youngs Asian Massage when the attack started, family members told Fox 5in Atlanta. They were first-time customers of the establishment.

Gonzalez, who reportedly was able to make it out of the spa safely, told an Atlanta CBS affiliate that he and his wife were in separate rooms when the shooting started.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

So you think in a pointed question about his addiction, where police had previously mentioned that, the responder should have backtracked on already publicly available information. 
 

So the other two murdered because they were there. Where were they exactly? In massage parlours. 
Let’s reframe it. If it were strictly racially motivated, why didn’t the suspect go to the nearest Asian grocer? 

maybe he is more familiar w/the massage places? perhaps there's some pragmatism in his brain. as a shooter maybe he had a plan.  he hit a few locations and was en route to florida when they caught him. 

what makes up his particular psychology isn't a thing we're going to sort out here. sexual compulsive behavior linked to racism or racism linked to sexual compulsions rooted in some weird shit that happened to him when he was a kid to make him hate asians? who knows...  let the court appointed headshrinker evaluate him pre-trial and let the DA bring charges or whatever the process is. 

 

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57 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

So you think in a pointed question about his addiction, where police had previously mentioned that, the responder should have backtracked on already publicly available information. 
 

So the other two murdered because they were there. Where were they exactly? In massage parlours. 
Let’s reframe it. If it were strictly racially motivated, why didn’t the suspect go to the nearest Asian grocer? 

 

51 minutes ago, usagi said:

 it's irrelevant.

 

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37 minutes ago, ignatius said:

oh god. "bc horny".. there's probably already a "bonk go to horny jail" meme w/this guy's face. 

quick google reveals nothing, this is prime territory you've stumbled upon. do the first meme and NFT it for large monies.

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9 minutes ago, usagi said:

quick google reveals nothing, this is prime territory you've stumbled upon. do the first meme and NFT it for large monies.

i think my heart would fall out.  torso would just open up and heart fall out like a meatball. 

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2 hours ago, usagi said:

he killed a bunch of Asians, that's all you need to know. all this equivocating and masturbating about the how and why doesn't erase that fact. I could just as easily ask you a similarly stupid question like "if he wasn't racist and just wanted to kill bc horny, why didn't he go shoot up people indiscriminately in a sex club?" it's irrelevant.

He killed a bunch of Asians because they worked at the massage parlours that he frequented and knew? So how is that irrelevant? You’re going to tell me that a guy who knew these places (he’d frequented them before) probably had armed protection (criminals like to protect their business operations) chose them when he could have easily gone into the Chinatown or Koreatown and let loose on the streets?

@ignatiussaid it: let the courts determine it on the basis of facts. 

Bringing it back to the original discussion - the police responded to the question based on the available facts.  It was in response to a question about the suspect’s addiction, which had been previously revealed by the chief of police for that department (not Atlanta police department).

Is it a heinous crime? Of course it is. The guy deserves the life sentences he is getting. Is it racially motivated? Nobody knows right now. Jumping to conclusions is the opposite of how a justice system is supposed to work, and the goal needs to be removing those types of presumptions for all cases. The real issue that needs to be raised is that this same standard (not jumping to conclusions) needs to be applied more rigorously with cases involving people of colour. 
 

As well no one up in here talking bout how easy it was for the suspect to legally obtain a gun the day of. That’s more of an issue in my eyes, cause I’m a cracker, I guess.

I’ll happily eat my words if it is a hate crime (and to be honest I think race did play a part, probably through the suspect’s fetishization of Asian women), but this mob mentality of determining issues on circumstantial evidence, and demanding the police say what people want to hear instead of the facts as they know them, is dangerous territory. 
 

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I don't know what you're saying with that armed protection comment. also I don't care all that much if this is or isn't classified as a hate crime or a racially motivated crime by the authorities, they're always two steps behind whatever is actually happening. I am arguing that that official determination is largely irrelevant to the bottom line, which is the fact that he killed a bunch of Asian people, a vulnerable minority. you can argue that the intent might not have been racist but the act itself plays into those good old racial realities we talked about previously. these sorts of acts breed copycats who will continue to target those they deem vulnerable unless cops do their jobs and stop downplaying the threat. law enforcement should be interested in preventing vulnerable minorities from being targeted by insane young white men with guns, without needing to be experts on race relations as a prerequisite.

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2 hours ago, chenGOD said:

I’ll happily eat my words if it is a hate crime (and to be honest I think race did play a part, probably through the suspect’s fetishization of Asian women), but this mob mentality of determining issues on circumstantial evidence, and demanding the police say what people want to hear instead of the facts as they know them, is dangerous territory. 

So you think killing a bunch of Asian women is not indicative for this crime to be racially motivated but him having a fetish for Asian women is?

 

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4 hours ago, usagi said:

law enforcement should be interested in preventing vulnerable minorities from being targeted by insane young white men with guns, without needing to be experts on race relations as a prerequisite.

Of course they should. Although I’m not sure law enforcement could have done much to prevent this particular tragedy if the timeline as I understand it is correct, which is, the suspect lost his mind, went out and bought a gun with no waiting period, and then, on the same day, went on to commit 8 murders within the span of 45 minutes... 

I’m not sure how you expect police to do much in situations like this when guns are so readily available in the states.  

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2 hours ago, dingformung said:

So you think killing a bunch of Asian women is not indicative for this crime to be racially motivated but him having a fetish for Asian women is?

 

Yes and there’s no contradiction in the thought either. I’d say it’s more likely a hate crime based on the gender, the fact that the women were Asian is circumstantial. 

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15 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

widespread sinophobia in western society is getting worse as US CIA propaganda outlets try to manufacture consent for a cold war with China

pretty much this. wattmers in 2003 must've been like "bro trust me there are definitely WMDs in iraq"

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1 hour ago, dingformung said:

I'm not sure if I would take an apologist angle here.

No apologist angle, simply stating what I believe may be the more likely component to any potential hate crime. The guy's a murderer, will spend a long time in prison.

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13 hours ago, Braintree said:

This is the third insult that you've given in this manner. Try to come up with some originals, please.

I’m not trying to insult you or even debate you. We have a difference of opinion and you seem to have a really hard time accepting that.

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16 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

widespread sinophobia in western society is getting worse as US CIA propaganda outlets try to manufacture consent for a cold war with China

pretty much this. wattmers in 2003 must've been like "bro trust me there are definitely WMDs in iraq"

Mmmm China, where you get to be detained for two years plus with no recourse to legal counsel, as part of China's international relations strategy.

Or where you get to be herded on trains blindfolded and shackled, with the military for...protection obviously. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-53463242

Or where posting this image on Chinese social media may land you in hot water:

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And last but not least, where Crony Capitalism and wealth inequality is growing fast: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2019/04/01/income-inequality-is-growing-fast-in-china-and-making-it-look-more-like-the-us/

But we already have the "how does the world view China?" thread.

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7 hours ago, chenGOD said:

As well no one up in here talking bout how easy it was for the suspect to legally obtain a gun the day of. That’s more of an issue in my eyes, cause I’m a cracker, I guess.

come to Texas bro. we have these awesome gun shows here every fucking weekend, with line ups stretched out the door as far as the eye can see, where there's this crazy ass loophole where you don't even need a background check to buy a killer new firearm:

http://www.houstontx.gov/againstgunviolence/public/documents/86th-Session-Background-Checks-at-Gun-Shows.pdf

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3 minutes ago, zero said:

come to Texas bro. we have these awesome gun shows here every fucking weekend, with line ups stretched out the door as far as the eye can see, where there's this crazy ass loophole where you don't even need a background check to buy a killer new firearm:

http://www.houstontx.gov/againstgunviolence/public/documents/86th-Session-Background-Checks-at-Gun-Shows.pdf

I'd love to go to Texas properly (only ever spent a day there cause American Airlines is terrible), but everyone was super nice.

I'd go to one of those gun shows just to see the freaks, and then probably get shot.

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20 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

I'd go to one of those gun shows just to see the freaks, and then probably get shot.

just make sure you don't wear a mask, display a USA flag somewhere on your person, and ramble on with random strangers about the evils of foreigners, and you'll live to see another day.

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7 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

But I'm a foreigner! I'm from socialist Canada!

good point, the locals will smell you coming from a mile away. as your local guide, I'd highly recommend you roll around in cow manure or possibly a dead animal carcass before heading to a gun show, in order to mask your canuckistan scent.

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2 hours ago, hijexx said:

I’m not trying to insult you or even debate you. We have a difference of opinion and you seem to have a really hard time accepting that.

You definitely did try to debate me.

16 hours ago, hijexx said:

Your bias is that the murder’s actions don’t match his words. It’s fine to have that bias but don’t go putting words in my mouth that I can’t believe he’s a liar. If there is evidence that he is a white supremacist, like he’s a member of a bunch of WP FB groups or wrote screeds about the stuff I’ll believe it. Until then the only fact I’ve seen is his statement.

Still not sure why you had to take it to an ad hominem attack but whatever makes you happy.

By the way, an ad hominem is an attack on your character, which I didn't do. I criticized your comment, because it was silly.

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