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An Arizona police officer has been fired amid outrage over the killing of a suspected shoplifter who was in a motorized wheelchair and moving slowly away from officers when he was shot in the back multiple times.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/02/arizona-police-officer-fired-fatally-shooting-man-wheelchair

shoots a guy in wheelchair in the back while he rolling away from him.

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On 11/26/2021 at 4:40 PM, ambermonke said:

One Sarah Palin was enough.

she seems tame in comparison, like I dunno the starter level pokemon of these batshit insane right-wing reps currently in office

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On 11/26/2021 at 7:50 AM, ambermonke said:

I reckon it depends on how ambitious far-right vigilantes get, and how much support they have. But at the end of the day I think most, or at least the vast majority of us prefer to maintain peace and order.

Something tells me that scattered flare-ups are more likely than a full second civil war though. Again, reactionary militias (i.e. Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, etc) will likely try to push for it harder than anybody, out of their ideology based on conspiracy theories and deep-seeded racism.

it's not about what the proud boys or other fascist militias are capable of or want to do as individual entities.  rather, it's how they fit into cogs in the machine of the machinations of capital.  when capital decides it wants to apply fascism domestically, the same way it applies fascism abroad in imperialized nations, make no mistake, the proud boys will be instantly elevated to an untouchable status, be it through implicit local legal wink nod agreements, or through eyes turned sideways away from what then becomes covert actions.  civil war will not happen because that would be a threat to american finance capital and american imperialism.  civil war would only happen if there was a serious domestic threat to capital, which there is not, since the US socialist movement is basically 100% dead.

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28 minutes ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

since the US socialist movement is basically 100% dead.

lol yeah some would say the socialist movement here has been on its death bed since about the 1920's. we had a fleeting shot to feel the Bern, but no dice, thanks to those dreaded machinations of capital.

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3 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

it's not about what the proud boys or other fascist militias are capable of or want to do as individual entities.  rather, it's how they fit into cogs in the machine of the machinations of capital.  when capital decides it wants to apply fascism domestically, the same way it applies fascism abroad in imperialized nations, make no mistake, the proud boys will be instantly elevated to an untouchable status, be it through implicit local legal wink nod agreements, or through eyes turned sideways away from what then becomes covert actions.  civil war will not happen because that would be a threat to american finance capital and american imperialism.  civil war would only happen if there was a serious domestic threat to capital, which there is not, since the US socialist movement is basically 100% dead.

a good indicator for that is to look for patterns globally. In other nations "of the west", like how things happen in sweeping moves across the countries of eu: nationalism, patriotism, fascism, all kinds of disruptive "ideology" action groups are forming up involving weapons and/or just general aggression (mostly made up, synthetic, or based on particular country's history). Suddenly everyone shows muscle and some kind of organisation - it doesn't matter how elaborate - the nuclei is forming. Very local, seemingly sporadic, and far between. They are a subversion tool, and so is all that make-believe gender theory everyone is raving about, and most probably Greta too.

The desired product of this subversion is inaction: paralysis of the masses and individuals, and in the case of usa and eu, paralysis of nations. Divide et impera case study. A global power shift is happening behind the scenes.

edit: like a new cold war or something...

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2 hours ago, cichlisuite said:

a good indicator for that is to look for patterns globally. In other nations "of the west", like how things happen in sweeping moves across the countries of eu: nationalism, patriotism, fascism, all kinds of disruptive "ideology" action groups are forming up involving weapons and/or just general aggression (mostly made up, synthetic, or based on particular country's history). Suddenly everyone shows muscle and some kind of organisation - it doesn't matter how elaborate - the nuclei is forming. Very local, seemingly sporadic, and far between. They are a subversion tool, and so is all that make-believe gender theory everyone is raving about, and most probably Greta too.

The desired product of this subversion is inaction: paralysis of the masses and individuals, and in the case of usa and eu, paralysis of nations. Divide et impera case study. A global power shift is happening behind the scenes.

edit: like a new cold war or something...

>and so is all that make-believe gender theory everyone is raving about

Odd to have what seems like a reactionary conservative social viewpoint statement thrown in with the rest of this anti-imperialist analysis, care to elaborate?  There is absolutely zero reason to foment hatred against trans, non-binary, and other gender non-conforming people, it merely exposes one's ignorance regarding what gender is.

Anyway, Greta is a liberal being used by the bourgeoisie.  If and when she starts advocating socialism they will drop her from their media immediately

Unbeknownst to liberal Greta, climate change is only the next upcoming crisis of capitalism, one which, if solved by capitalism, will strengthen it and let it grab hold of our reality with the deepest void of pure reaction humanity has seen thus far.  The only thing scarier than imagining capitalism not overcoming climate change is imagining capitalism overcoming climate change.

If it manages, the superingelligence that is capital will have become more self consciously embodied within its physical environment, the implementation of which will as a byproduct give such deep penetration of surveillance and data analysis that revolution will be so difficult as to become a Herculean task greater than anything we can imagine from our present standpoint, itself so much more difficult than that faced by the Russian and Chinese communists.  It makes me want to cry.

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2 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

the next upcoming crisis of capitalism, one which, if solved by capitalism, will strengthen it and let it grab hold of our reality with the deepest void of pure reaction humanity has seen thus far.  The only thing scarier than imagining capitalism not overcoming climate change is imagining capitalism overcoming climate change.

hmm. i don't think it's possible. not for all people anyways. wealthy people will be less harmed than poor people. developed countries will be less harmed than undeveloped countries (typically, but there will be outliers)

i don't think that capitalism is compatible with saving the planet. long term they cannot exist together... not in this current form. i mean.. technology isn't going to swoop in and save us without something equivalent to magic. we're already passed some tipping points and the boulder is starting to roll down hill. 

i expect lot's of things will just dismantle themselves as chaos takes over beyond what any government can handle.

when sea level rise accelerates the mass migrations alone are going to be bonkers. it's gonna be crazy weird surreal shit. 

edit: and i guess that capitalists, america etc etc will view all the losses as part of the cost to save what's "important" or who is "important" and it will make sense to them that some people lose and some people win because that's the natural order of things as they see it. 

so, in some people's eyes "acceptable losses" will equate to "solving" climate change. 

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1 hour ago, ignatius said:

hmm. i don't think it's possible. not for all people anyways. wealthy people will be less harmed than poor people. developed countries will be less harmed than undeveloped countries (typically, but there will be outliers)

i don't think that capitalism is compatible with saving the planet. long term they cannot exist together... not in this current form. i mean.. technology isn't going to swoop in and save us without something equivalent to magic. we're already passed some tipping points and the boulder is starting to roll down hill. 

i expect lot's of things will just dismantle themselves as chaos takes over beyond what any government can handle.

when sea level rise accelerates the mass migrations alone are going to be bonkers. it's gonna be crazy weird surreal shit. 

edit: and i guess that capitalists, america etc etc will view all the losses as part of the cost to save what's "important" or who is "important" and it will make sense to them that some people lose and some people win because that's the natural order of things as they see it. 

so, in some people's eyes "acceptable losses" will equate to "solving" climate change. 

capitalism can survive climate change intact and adapt itself to achieve climate control for the planet because it's necessary to maintain capitalism, the Earth is its substrate.  this doesn't mean it won't result in mass death for certain areas and minorities.

the method would be extremely authoritarian, much more deeply than we have now.  I can barely imagine it but it's a possibility

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10 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

capitalism can survive climate change intact and adapt itself to achieve climate control for the planet because it's necessary to maintain capitalism, the Earth is its substrate.  this doesn't mean it won't result in mass death for certain areas and minorities.

the method would be extremely authoritarian, much more deeply than we have now.  I can barely imagine it but it's a possibility

obviously it'd be fascism. i think we only differ on semantics. capitalism will claim a win and  do a victory dance if the "right people" survive. 

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Hundreds of thousands of dollars were reported stolen in 2014 from a safe at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church In Houston.

Ah, maybe this is it?  Rob your own church, hide the case in yer megachurch, get insurance claim, retrieve cash later.

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12 minutes ago, randomsummer said:

Ah, maybe this is it?  Rob your own church, hide the case in yer megachurch, get insurance claim, retrieve cash later.

or a way to embezzle funds. "oh that money was stolen.. see we made a police report."

i wonder what the fine print is for collecting insurance on cash? 

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9 minutes ago, ignatius said:

or a way to embezzle funds. "oh that money was stolen.. see we made a police report."

i wonder what the fine print is for collecting insurance on cash? 

It's called insurance fraud.

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50 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

It's called insurance fraud.

yeah.. but i mean.. how is cash even insured? i know the FDIC insures banks up to certain amounts but wtf if i someone has $10k in their car and car gets stolen. 

edit: i guess it's all technically considered a loss. 

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1 hour ago, ignatius said:

 

 

random fact - that megachurch was formerly a sports arena called the Summit. when I was a kid I went to see many Rockets games there, saw the Harlem Globetrotters play, and later in high school went to Houston Aeros IHL games. bottom line, fond memories of the place. shame what it became.

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1 hour ago, ignatius said:

yeah.. but i mean.. how is cash even insured? i know the FDIC insures banks up to certain amounts but wtf if i someone has $10k in their car and car gets stolen. 

edit: i guess it's all technically considered a loss. 

You can insure cash easily enough, if you can find an insurance company willing to insure against theft. I think most home insurance policies have some already built in limit for cash, I'm sure for a business like a church there's some insurance company.

If I was a betting man, I'd say that Joel Osteen owns the insurance company that insured his church, and he convinces his followers to get insurance through that company.

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