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Don't apologize for expressing your opinions. I'm fucking sick of people hesitant to express an unpopular opinion because of goddamn hipster troll rebuttles. If you can't deal with reality, then you shouldn't be on the internets. WATMM will always be a forum for free speech. So says me. Lol

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@chen

from a wiki:

In the United States after Reconstruction, the phrase "the Left" was used to describe those who supported trade unions, the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.[18][19] More recently in the United States, left-wing and right-wing have ---> often <--- been used as synonyms for Democratic and Republican, or as synonyms for liberalism and conservatism respectively.[20][21][22][23]

 

not that you didn't already know who i was talking about when i said 'left wing type voters'. everyone understands what is being said when the phrases 'left wing' or 'left of center' or 'right wing/right of center' or even 'center' itself (which you used, and which is a relative concept that couldn't exist without something to either side, making your post self-contradictory), when those phrases are used thousands of times per day, by politicians, pundits, and others in the media, and regular run of the mill people. those phrases turn up tens of millions of google hits. whether you want it to be a thing or not isn't really relevant to whether it is. and this is beside the fact that 'right wing' is thrown around here pretty frequently and you don't seem to have any problem with that.

 

and yes i'm aware that a lot of "libruls" aren't happy with hillary. but largely it's because she's not far enough LEFT for them. hillary is out there now, trying to appear more liberal (notice the article calls sanders 'left-wing') to prevent sanders from wooing them. obviously kasich is putting himself out there as centrist, but so what? he'd have the same problem in the general election, with people further right not being too thrilled to come out and vote for him. and there's more i could say about that, but excuse me i have to go have sex with my sisters and drink some moonshine, then i gotta go load my trusty six shooter, my shotguns, go huntin fer varmints and lost city folk aka "libruls" to eat. right after i find my banjo. (as an aside- fuk u)

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Don't apologize for expressing your opinions. I'm fucking sick of people hesitant to express an unpopular opinion because of goddamn hipster troll rebuttles. If you can't deal with reality, then you shouldn't be on the internets. WATMM will always be a forum for free speech. So says me. Lol

And they made you a moderator? I can see why it took so long for chunky to get banned with you on board.

 

 

*this bit of free speech reality was posted with Moderator Approvaltm*

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chunky/afx got banned?

Edited by MisterE

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chunky got banned?

Terrible, I know right? No pure free speech on this board apparently. Some people just can't deal with reality imo. At least he never apologized, that's pretty great.

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chunky got banned?

Terrible, I know right? No pure free speech on this board apparently. Some people just can't deal with reality imo. At least he never apologized, that's pretty great.

 

no pure free speech? i'll be got-damned. sounds like good ole fashioned right wing fascism to me.

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Used to think Trump was a "shill for the GOP". The joke made in one of those White House Correspondents diners "I thought Trump was running as a joke" perfectly summed up how I used to think.

This year however, he seems pretty focussed on actually running. At least, in my eyes. The GOP probably still think he's a useful joke which attracts lots of attention. But he's getting a lot of airtime this time. Much more than he used to, I believe. And he's hurting the "serious" contestants in the polls. If this is GOP strategy, which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's a smart strategy. Putting Trump next to Jeb Bush on a stage, makes Jeb seem like an uninteresting wallflower. There aren't many candidates which can hold a candle to Trumps charisma. Christie, Paul, Kasich. But the rest pales, imo.

I do think Carson is used as the "black token" by the GOP, btw. I had really no idea what he was doing on that stage. With Trump I get the feeling that although he lacks serious political skills/experience, he does know how to negotiate. Carson however... nothing. He's got nothing to offer, except being different than the rest.

O, and in the odd chance that Trump actually does win the ticket, I'm sure he's able to convince people he's able to compensate his lack in political skills with attracting good people supporting him in the White House. And because he's as a-political as one can get (he doens't care about party lines), I'm assuming he wouldn't care whether people are republican or democrats or independents. Which might actually a good thing, imo. He'll just be running a business. In the most amoral way possible.

If Obama won because he was the complete opposite to Bush, Trump might win this time, being a complete opposite to Obama (without being a Bush!). While Obama wanted to build bridges based on some moral fundament, Trump just wants to run a business. And the only moral Trump knows, is that whatever is good for business is good.

I don't think Clinton will win the 2016 election, btw. And I don't see any other Democrat beating Clinton. Clinton is the new Al Gore. Whenever she opens her mouth on a stage, people either phase out or get annoyed regardless of content. I don't think she can convince people on an emotional level. Intellectually perhaps, but presidents don't win because of their intellect.

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i dont think the RNC likes trump but they feel forced into 'being nice' (as trump says) to him, for fear that he'll run independent and tank their chances. it's almost like he's holding them hostage. as far as carson, if he's 'token' anything it's not for the GOP, it's for the voters, who it seems pretty clear to me are the only reason he got on that stage, because some of them like him. to get in that debate the candidates needed good polling numbers. imo it's a good thing that people still have some chance to get on a stage like that because of that kind of grass-roots support. so maybe he's the token black for the conservative voters, but it seems to me like they actually like what he has to say. i saw a few polls suggesting that his popularity may have went up some due to that debate, also. if the GOP/RNC were allowed to just step in and pick their guy (without having to worry about trump), it'd almost surely be bush, or maybe rubio.

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I think the GOP candidates are so bad that there is no way the entire thing isn't orchestrated to ensure the a democrat wins, therefore leaving control of the USA, and by extension the world, in the hands of whomever is orchestrating this bit of nonsense.

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ha. a % of me has very strong suspicions about that being why trump is in there. he's very suspicious. considering just a few years ago he was kissing hill/bill's asses, calling them great friends, great people, great leaders, etc. i think as recently as 2013 unless i'm mistaken. then less than a year after a quote where he's praising hillary as sec of state, he's out there saying shes the worst one we've had in history. pretty drastic, and i never saw that he gave any explanation for why he flipped on her so radically. some people assume maybe the benghazi thing, but i'm pretty sure one of his quotes of praise was after that incident. i just think flipping like that on a character like her is just unnatural. especially when the guy is trying to sell himself as a conservative now, and hillary is seen as a gorgon to them.

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@chen

from a wiki:

In the United States after Reconstruction, the phrase "the Left" was used to describe those who supported trade unions, the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.[18][19] More recently in the United States, left-wing and right-wing have ---> often Democratic and Republican, or as synonyms for liberalism and conservatism respectively.[20][21][22][23]

 

not that you didn't already know who i was talking about when i said 'left wing type voters'. everyone understands what is being said when the phrases 'left wing' or 'left of center' or 'right wing/right of center' or even 'center' itself (which you used, and which is a relative concept that couldn't exist without something to either side, making your post self-contradictory), when those phrases are used thousands of times per day, by politicians, pundits, and others in the media, and regular run of the mill people. those phrases turn up tens of millions of google hits. whether you want it to be a thing or not isn't really relevant to whether it is. and this is beside the fact that 'right wing' is thrown around here pretty frequently and you don't seem to have any problem with that.

 

and yes i'm aware that a lot of "libruls" aren't happy with hillary. but largely it's because she's not far enough LEFT for them. hillary is out there now, trying to appear more liberal (notice the article calls sanders 'left-wing') to prevent sanders from wooing them. obviously kasich is putting himself out there as centrist, but so what? he'd have the same problem in the general election, with people further right not being too thrilled to come out and vote for him. and there's more i could say about that, but excuse me i have to go have sex with my sisters and drink some moonshine, then i gotta go load my trusty six shooter, my shotguns, go huntin fer varmints and lost city folk aka "libruls" to eat. right after i find my banjo. (as an aside- fuk u)

 

aww so cute.

I don't know why you guys cant just admit that you have no leftists. You can call a pigeon a turkey, but if it looks like a pigeon, tastes like a pigeon, and gives you terrible food poisoning after swallowing its bullshit, it's a pigeon.

 

And yes triachus - there is no pure free speech on this board. we have rules to keep things somewhat running smoothly. If you want pure free speech, head on over to /b or Fred's place.

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I'm curious on who you think will win the gop-ticket. Any ideas? I'm silently hoping for a Trump ticket. The US might be ready for an a-political (a**hole) president who doesn't care about party lines.

 

As for Rubio, he still got this boyish look on his face. I do think he might be a worthy candidate in the distant future. (Rubio 2024!) But before? No. Every time he was given time to say something, he made his (studied) remarks followed by a look like he was looking for his mothers approval. "Did I do good?" Might be me though. He just comes across that way. With his big youthful eyes which signal everything is a questionmark needing some affirmation from some outside authority. He'll be ready to run for president when he has finally found his internal compass.

 

I don't believe Paul will win either. The discussion with Christie was telling stories. Although Paul has a strong intrinsic ideology, for instance when it comes to privacy issues, the discussion with Christie signalled to me he is insensitive to other ideologies/views. Even if you disagree with Christie, you could see where he's coming from. Paul however didn't seem to care at all. He seems to operate on a program which says ideology is more important than the real world. Which to me is not a realistic program to run on. The real world doesn't work in an ideological way. To me, Paul can only win if his ideology just happens to perfectly match everybody elses. Which - in the real world - will never happen.

 

Walker? I don't believe anything he says. His first question was about the poor economical performance in his state, which he answered as if his policies were the best thing ever and the economic performance was as good as could be. Completely ridiculous, imo. To me, that says he's full of bullshit. And doesn't mind selling bullshit while being on a stage, on national television.

 

Ironically, Trump sold himself as a truth-teller. Right from the start when he raised his hand on not wanting to pledge for not running as an independent. The only actual lies I think I could pinpoint, were his remarks on pro-life. He tried to sell himself as a pro-life candidate. And I think he needs to, because otherwise the Republicans really don't know why Trump is a republican. I don't think he actually gives a shit on these pro-life issues. He's a business man. Spending time on issues like these don't create economical value. Who cares? At least, that's my read.

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And yes triachus - there is no pure free speech on this board. we have rules to keep things somewhat running smoothly.

Which is my point. Then please explain why on earth a mod would ever say this shit:

 

Don't apologize for expressing your opinions. I'm fucking sick of people hesitant to express an unpopular opinion because of goddamn hipster troll rebuttles. If you can't deal with reality, then you shouldn't be on the internets. WATMM will always be a forum for free speech. So says me. Lol

Seriously?

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I don't get it, so on the one hand we're to keep WATMM clean and polite, but on the other hand a moderator refuses to "moderate" potentially nasty behaviour?

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I think the GOP candidates are so bad that there is no way the entire thing isn't orchestrated to ensure the a democrat wins, therefore leaving control of the USA, and by extension the world, in the hands of whomever is orchestrating this bit of nonsense.

 

can you mspaint what you think "they" look like

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"control of the USA, and by extension the world" LOL

 

Is this the classic American Exceptionalism? Or rather American Narcissism? The rest of the world can function perfectly well without the US, thankyouverymuch. ;D

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I don't get it, so on the one hand we're to keep WATMM clean and polite, but on the other hand a moderator refuses to "moderate" potentially nasty behaviour?

He also basically seems to say "I'll do/say what I want and never apologize to anyone on this board", and asks for others to do the same.

 

Did I say 'basically seems to say'? He literally fucking said "don't apologize to anyone on this board" + calling people retarded

 

 

Nice conflict solving mindset, that. This is how you prevent things from escalating. Good mod.

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Trump is a satire in real life.

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I can't be arsed to watch the GOP debates. I already got a brief snippet of it from the news last night @ work and those typical incessant FOX News shouting matches alone were enough. One doesn't need to sit through the whole thing to realize what a clown show it all is.

Not to be confused with the WATMM mod debates

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And yes triachus - there is no pure free speech on this board. we have rules to keep things somewhat running smoothly.

Which is my point. Then please explain why on earth a mod would ever say this shit:

 

Don't apologize for expressing your opinions. I'm fucking sick of people hesitant to express an unpopular opinion because of goddamn hipster troll rebuttles. If you can't deal with reality, then you shouldn't be on the internets. WATMM will always be a forum for free speech. So says me. Lol

Seriously?
Ah lol missed that. What can I say but....Rubin Farr?

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Also someone needs to ring up the GOP and tell them to stop gordoing that shit up.

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Triachus whoever said humans aren't full of contradictions? And I didn't ban Chunky. You seem to have a lot of opinions, go ahead and express them. You also seem to complain a lot. What like 3 responses to my one response so far. Must be nice in that ivory tower.

 

edit - I usually reserve the word retarded for politicians and celebrities, but if any of our members find that offensive, as in, you have a person in your life with a mental disability, I can modify that language. just common courtesy.

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don't apologize for using words. that's retarded.

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You mean that's gordo.

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