may be rude Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 if the beer company were an artist then it would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunnocks Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Please change thread title to 'Unreasonable Expectations Discussion' Also I should pre-order this already... I mean, if you disagree with the expectations that's fine but i don't think they're unreasonable. It's like if i bought a can of beer from my favourite beer company, took a sip and there was orange juice inside. Turns out the company's switched to producing oj instead. Sure it's gonna quench my thirst, but i'm not gonna get all the fun extra things that came with drinking beer. So i'm disappointed because i wanted a beer from my favourite company. The company's done nothing wrong, i'm just a little sad. Not the best analogy there, I don't think. RDJ is still producing/releasing tunes that sound quintessentially AFX/Aphex Twin. The new track still fits right in with the profile of his ever evolving sound. And at the end of the day, when you run the guy's catalogue through, it has been an evolution so I personally don't see why this latest number should be in any way polarising for anybody who likes his tunes. Edited June 25, 2016 by tunnocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bechuga Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Please change thread title to 'Unreasonable Expectations Discussion' Also I should pre-order this already... I mean, if you disagree with the expectations that's fine but i don't think they're unreasonable. It's like if i bought a can of beer from my favourite beer company, took a sip and there was orange juice inside. Turns out the company's switched to producing oj instead. Sure it's gonna quench my thirst, but i'm not gonna get all the fun extra things that came with drinking beer. So i'm disappointed because i wanted a beer from my favourite company. The company's done nothing wrong, i'm just a little sad. Aphex Twin is not a production line based company, he's an artist. There are musicians who work this way and release another album in the comfortable old style (AC/DC and others), but I have never expected Aphex to be this type, as with Squarepusher and others of that ilk. I can be disappointed too if it's not quite what I hoped, but to expect it to match my own invented / preferred ideal is unreasonable. At no point had Aphex ever promised or advertised himself as a beer supplier: we get to drink what he serves (and I prefer OJ to beer anyway). Syro wasn't what I was expecting*, along with certain other music he's made, but then, there was never any formal customer / supplier contract stating what I was to receive. I can lump it or leave it, I can be sad, but there was never any promise made to be broken. Any promise was in my head and nowhere else. *although I love it just dandy now**, having erased my own expectations and come to love what the album is, not what it wasn't **sounds better on vinyl*** ***imo Edited June 25, 2016 by Bechuga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirtek Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Please change thread title to 'Unreasonable Expectations Discussion' Also I should pre-order this already... I mean, if you disagree with the expectations that's fine but i don't think they're unreasonable. It's like if i bought a can of beer from my favourite beer company, took a sip and there was orange juice inside. Turns out the company's switched to producing oj instead. Sure it's gonna quench my thirst, but i'm not gonna get all the fun extra things that came with drinking beer. So i'm disappointed because i wanted a beer from my favourite company. The company's done nothing wrong, i'm just a little sad. Aphex Twin is not a production line based company, he's an artist. There are musicians who work this way and release another album in the comfortable old style (AC/DC and others), but I have never expected Aphex to be this type, as with Squarepusher and others of that ilk. I can be disappointed too if it's not quite what I hoped, but to expect it to match my own invented / preferred ideal is unreasonable. At no point had Aphex ever promised or advertised himself as a beer supplier: we get to drink what he serves (and I prefer OJ to beer anyway). Syro wasn't what I was expecting*, along with certain other music he's made, but then, there was never any formal customer / supplier contract stating what I was to receive. I can lump it or leave it, I can be sad, but there was never any promise made to be broken. Any promise was in my head and nowhere else. *although I love it just dandy now**, having erased my own expectations and come to love what the album is, not what it wasn't **sounds better on vinyl*** ***imo I started listening to Aphex Twin when drukqs came out and love everything he's done (icbyd is amazing!) but I must admit that I listen to the Analords and everything after mostly nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misc Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) lol ok bechuga and tunnocks i agree with you both, it wasn't the best analogy. Of course there was never any promise of what he would put out, and i'm not saying he needs to only release things that i like. But the expectation for an experimental artist to release experimental music doesn't seem unreasonable to me, it just seems natural. I guess it all just comes down to what you're looking for in the music. I can't help but be analytical (probably partly due to listening to so much aphex!), and i feel like i've heard all i'll ever hear in this track already. So from an artist like aphex, yeah i expect more! Edited June 25, 2016 by misc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 art means he does whatever the fuck he wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misc Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 art means he does whatever the fuck he wants Oh come on man please this is just not a helpful response. Of course that's the case. But art also means we can all have our own opinions and expectations of it. I'm not calling up richard personally and telling him to step his game up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 he reads this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 i'm cool with whatever the fuck he wants to make or release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletron Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) art means he does whatever the fuck he wants Oh come on man please this is just not a helpful response. Of course that's the case. But art also means we can all have our own opinions and expectations of it. I'm not calling up richard personally and telling him to step his game up! the days when i would go to the record store and hear the new aphex and get goosebumps. id get giddy. pancake lizard? Woah. Total excitement. . I understand your point totally. Those magical aphex moments, like the vocals in fenix funk. Surprises that bend your mind for weeks. Yes, I know what you are saying Edited June 25, 2016 by marf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bechuga Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 art means he does whatever the fuck he wants Oh come on man please this is just not a helpful response. Of course that's the case. But art also means we can all have our own opinions and expectations of it. I'm not calling up richard personally and telling him to step his game up! Definitely, I have my own opinions also, certainly wasn't meant to suggest that you're a dick for thinking so. Just saying that Aphex makes what he makes and, if he gets round to it, we get to hear it too. Certain songs on the new Plaid album aren't entirely what I hoped for, so I'm no different. Also, my avatar makes my posts read a little harsher than they seem. I'm not being aggressive or anything, just sparring. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyr22 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 So many great laid back melodies that keep changing on this one, also some amazing SAW 1 vibes that kick in around 2 minutes in - as usual it's completely different by the time you get to the end It really feels like he's perfecting his style while endlessly reinventing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavinsky Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 So many great laid back melodies that keep changing on this one, also some amazing SAW 1 vibes that kick in around 2 minutes in - as usual it's completely different by the time you get to the end It really feels like he's perfecting his style while endlessly reinventing it I think this is his goal of making music at the moment , greating melodies, sounds that are shifting, changing threw the whole track. You either can relax and just listen to it or be more carefull and discover interesting details. I know that could be applied to many of his tracks but Syro was especially like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 No need to be ever-groundbreaking when the tunes are so packed with personality and emotions. To me, what has always set RDJ apart/above from everything else is how effortlessly his melodies will induce goosebumps tsunamis down my spine. This ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psn Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Cheetah track on psa right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 is it the one that's still on? I missed it =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxbip Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Cirklon3 3:00 chords are goosebumps inducing for me.This is gonna be a lovely ep i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxbip Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) No need to be ever-groundbreaking when the tunes are so packed with personality and emotions. To me, what has always set RDJ apart/above from everything else is how effortlessly his melodies will induce goosebumps tsunamis down my spine. This ^^^ This X2 Beautiful and expressive music is the ultimate music. Groundbreaking things in music after a few years they are not groundbreaking anymore and they lose that edge from novelty. Beautiful and expressive music is beautiful and expressive forever. Novelty is short termed.Beauty is eternal and timeless. Bach is not very groundbreaking but his music will be revered forever because of its beauty. Edited June 25, 2016 by fxbip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolkeyZ865 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 No need to be ever-groundbreaking when the tunes are so packed with personality and emotions. To me, what has always set RDJ apart/above from everything else is how effortlessly his melodies will induce goosebumps tsunamis down my spine. This ^^^ This X2 Beautiful and expressive music is the ultimate music. Groundbreaking things in music after a few years they are not groundbreaking anymore and they lose that edge from novelty. Beautiful and expressive music is beautiful and expressive forever. Novelty is short termed.Beauty is eternal and timeless. Bach is not very groundbreaking but his music will be revered forever because of its beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletron Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 No need to be ever-groundbreaking when the tunes are so packed with personality and emotions. To me, what has always set RDJ apart/above from everything else is how effortlessly his melodies will induce goosebumps tsunamis down my spine. This ^^^ This X2 Beautiful and expressive music is the ultimate music. Groundbreaking things in music after a few years they are not groundbreaking anymore and they lose that edge from novelty. Beautiful and expressive music is beautiful and expressive forever. Novelty is short termed.Beauty is eternal and timeless. Bach is not very groundbreaking but his music will be revered forever because of its beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganus Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Agree with fxbip. Bach comparison seems relevant to me, because Bach was totally groundbreaking in music composition, but he didnt have to continually reinvent the style he created to be an original and meaningful artist... That would be counterproductive. But to create a history of classical music that doesn't cite the I importance of Bach would be to miss a huge piece of the picture. And I think this status is a reason people are so harsh about AFX's music. Folks are expecting to be wowed with genius and guided to the next style, or otherwise looking for justification of the massive hype... all that we find is musician happily perfecting their craft- and a record company playing up the hype to make money. folks need to just chill out and enjoy the music as it comes. And if you dont like it, post about something you do like instead of wasting your breath... metaphorically speaking. Edited June 26, 2016 by ganus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Agree with fxbip. Bach comparison seems relevant to me, because Bach was totally groundbreaking in music composition, but he didnt have to continually reinvent the style he created to be an original and meaningful artist... That would be counterproductive. But to create a history of classical music that doesn't cite the I importance of Bach would be to miss a huge piece of the picture. And I think this status is a reason people are so harsh about AFX's music. Folks are expecting to be wowed with genius and guided to the next style, or otherwise looking for justification of the massive hype... all that we find is musician happily perfecting their craft- and a record company playing up the hype to make money. folks need to just chill out and enjoy the music as it comes. And if you dont like it, post about something you do like instead of wasting your breath... metaphorically speakong +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarb0 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 the dude saying bach wasn't inventive is the pinnacle of this thread going completely nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello spiral Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 ^My thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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