Roland Boutique?! [new synths]

[LimpyLoo]

That's a great point

You can buy 3 volca keys for $450

 

Should be able to do a 4-voice for $500-ish

 

I'm really curious why Korg, Roland etc don't just do that (any theories)

Fucking everyone would buy them

 

What they do instead is

"You asked for analog

So here you are...virtual analog!"

[Guest Chesney]

Hmmm, if they are va or whatever then why limit to 4 voice? I have a few analogue polys, some of them are para, some have strange architecture with a filter env chip out so the chords do not respond as you would want. So para vs poly is a huge deal when using pads with filter/amp envelopes. The most truest of polys I have is 4 voice and it pisses me off that it does not have 5 ha. I will be selling it but not for one of these. I was hoping a old roland for new roland swap would be perfect. Alas.

[dudenorth]

These aren't very interesting.

 

I would much rather spend the dough on an old CS-15 with a busted keyboard or something. I know it's an old argument but the limits of the old synth gear is what gives it a sound one can't get with a computer. looking at these I get the same sick feeling as when I see a reissue guitar amp etc.

 

artless emulating crap

[andihow]

i think i want the jupe

will have to hear it

but the fact that it's only 4-voice

is a good sign

that was a haiku

[LimpyLoo]

These aren't very interesting.

 

I would much rather spend the dough on an old CS-15 with a busted keyboard or something. I know it's an old argument but the limits of the old synth gear is what gives it a sound one can't get with a computer. looking at these I get the same sick feeling as when I see a reissue guitar amp etc.

 

artless emulating crap

I'll bet you ten dollars

That you won't be able to tell the difference

Between the emulations and the originals

 

As the owner of a few 80's Roland analogs

I'll say that the system-1 SH-101 Emulation

Is really really close

 

But people don't listen with their ears

They find out it's digital and then decide it must be shit

(As you have just done)

 

It's just silly

[Guest]

artless emulating crap

 

Are people still thinking this way?

 

Makes sound? Makes art!

[Audioblysk]

I'll wait until I play with one. But they seem too cheap to be any good, that's just my opinion tho. I've just found that you get what you pay for.

[Psychotronic]

I'll bet you ten dollars

That you won't be able to tell the difference

Between the emulations and the originals

 

As the owner of a few 80's Roland analogs

I'll say that the system-1 SH-101 Emulation

Is really really close

 

But people don't listen with their ears

They find out it's digital and then decide it must be shit

(As you have just done)

 

It's just silly

I can confirm that but not with the SH-101. A friend of mine has an original system 100 and the system 1m. So he had the possibility to compare both with each other. He told me that on the area of sounds the system 100 is able to produce, he cannot hear any difference to the 1m. The new Roland stuff is very very close to the originals.

 

But! I can also understand if people say they stick with the originals. It's not always about the sound, a lot of the old synths have build quality issues that affect the way the musician plays these instrument. Some people actually like these issues and use/abuse them in their play style or sound design.

Edited September 24, 2015 by Psychotronic

[digman]

 

I'll bet you ten dollars

That you won't be able to tell the difference

Between the emulations and the originals

 

As the owner of a few 80's Roland analogs

I'll say that the system-1 SH-101 Emulation

Is really really close

 

But people don't listen with their ears

They find out it's digital and then decide it must be shit

(As you have just done)

 

It's just silly

I can confirm that but not with the SH-101. A friend of mine has an original system 100 and the system 1m. So he had the possibility to compare both with each other. He told me that on the area of sounds the system 100 is able to produce, he cannot hear any difference to the 1m. The new Roland stuff is very very close to the originals.

 

But! I can also understand if people say they stick with the originals. It's not always about the sound, a lot of the old synths have build quality issues that affect the way the musician plays these instrument. Some people actually like these issues and use/abuse them in their play style or sound design.

 

 

 

I watched this vid a while ago and it got me thinkin'

 

[TubularCorporation]

 

 

I'll bet you ten dollars

That you won't be able to tell the difference

Between the emulations and the originals

 

As the owner of a few 80's Roland analogs

I'll say that the system-1 SH-101 Emulation

Is really really close

 

But people don't listen with their ears

They find out it's digital and then decide it must be shit

(As you have just done)

 

It's just silly

I can confirm that but not with the SH-101. A friend of mine has an original system 100 and the system 1m. So he had the possibility to compare both with each other. He told me that on the area of sounds the system 100 is able to produce, he cannot hear any difference to the 1m. The new Roland stuff is very very close to the originals.

 

But! I can also understand if people say they stick with the originals. It's not always about the sound, a lot of the old synths have build quality issues that affect the way the musician plays these instrument. Some people actually like these issues and use/abuse them in their play style or sound design.

 

 

 

I watched this vid a while ago and it got me thinkin'

 

 

 

I wouldn't say either one sounds better than the other but they sound pretty different.

[dudenorth]

I understand, JP-8 sound for very little dough. My qualm is that, and this is just my experience, when I take a new piece of synth gear (especially VA) and PUSH it I can't find those kind of sweet spots I find in the old stuff and the real boutique stuff (macbeth). This quality in analog synths is what keeps me enthralled.

 

Perhaps its that Im not a fan of the JP-8. Always found it sort of boring.

 

SH-101 on the other hand is a very beautiful thing and if the system-1 can really live up to it then hey, why not.

I could care less about whether something is analog or not, I use VSTs all the time. But they don't do the same thing. They just don't.

 

The Mini format bugs me.

 

Of coarse one could make art out of the sound coming out of the thing, though these instruments are hardly pieces of art. stamped out junk.

[Haste]

I have a System 1. I really like it.

[BCM]

fuck synths man, i'm over them. anyone want to buy a modular?

[nice]

 

 

I wouldn't say either one sounds better than the other but they sound pretty different.

 

 

The Jupiter sounds kinda cringe to me. The 106 however is really crisp.

[LimpyLoo]

 

Of coarse one could make art out of the sound coming out of the thing, though these instruments are hardly pieces of art. stamped out junk.

 

Again...how would you possibly know that just by looking at them?

[Guest Chesney]

analogue, VA, not one is above the other. there are tons of meh sounding analogues and tons of amazing sounding VA's.

Thing is, You'll never capture the original sound so why use the name over and over again? Chances are people are going to effect the synth anyway and whatever is between the synth and the computer will colour the sound to a degree so 100% replication is impossible and pointless.

The people who want 100% replication are the people who will play 80s hits in their bedroom and the people that think they need these sounds will be disappointed with them anyway. They are not the gold you think they'll be, just listen to a load of 80s pop hits, that's the bread and butter you get from these things, if you don't want these bread and butter sounds then buy something much more powerful for less money.

 

I'd love an original JP8 but not enough to financially cripple myself for a good while. I would like to hear these things though.

[Ingwe]

That's a great point

You can buy 3 volca keys for $450

 

Should be able to do a 4-voice for $500-ish

 

I'm really curious why Korg, Roland etc don't just do that (any theories)

Fucking everyone would buy them

 

i think it could likely be up to $600 because you have to add in voice assignment hardware/software.

it's really a lot to pay for a cheap-sounding dco with little flexibility/sound design potential, only 4 voices, and no presets.

esp. when you can get an alpha juno or dw8000 or even a microkorg for half the price that would crush this thing in terms of sound, polyphony, features, etc.

akai did that 4 voice timbre wolf thing, it's cheap but seems pretty lame - doubt it's a huge seller.

[Ingwe]

Hmmm, if they are va or whatever then why limit to 4 voice?

 

i'm guessing it's pushing the limit of their dsp to do four voices - same as the system1. they are prob keeping it cheap by using a less-powerful dsp vs. having 2 dsp's for 8 voices or a more powerful, more expensive dsp. the reface things have more poly i think, but are more $

[dudenorth]

but look at the fancy synth this in his AV. clearly knows their stuff, careful limpy!

lel

[MisterE]

if nobody is going to make a cheap poly analog at the very least they should make a cheap hybrid using digital oscs and analog filters, like the dw8000. maybe add a delay or something too. that could be great. especially if they had lots of mod options like envelopes, lfos, etc for the filters like the 8000 does.

[BCM]

just get a DW8000 innit

[Audioblysk]

'Cheap and fully analog synth' is as big of an oxymoron as 'military intelligence' or 'jumbo shrimp'

 

 

Just sayin' - there's a reason they aren't cheap.

[BCM]

can't be arsed really but like, don't re-invent the wheel and don't make something completely unnecessary - bad for the environment and most of these new synths are shit anyway. DW8000s are wicked and there's lots of them to be had. why do you assume it would need a service? so what if it does? exorcise your throwaway mentality. new definitely does not always equal better.

Edited September 28, 2015 by BCM

[Ingwe]

 

just get a DW8000 innit

 

how does this logic work? so we shouldn't make new things and just hit ebay for second hand things that will need a service in a few months?

 

new as in actually new would be great, but making a cheap, limited knockoff of something that already exists is a waste.

quite a lot of 80s synths have survived 30+ years needing little to no service, unlike these new smt and plastic toys which will be broken and likely unfixable prob within 5-10 years.

[Audioblysk]

They coulda actually made the JX-3P w/programmer in a dumb box that you have to hook up a midi-keyboard to for under 800 IMO. DCO's (maybe add a sub osc and get all juno), analog filter, digital envelope, cool lil' chorus, and bam! Just add real midi, less resonance shittyness on the filter, a better LFO with more waveforms and greater range of variable speed and some green led's to blind you with as you play.

 

The VA thing still doesn't sell me, gotta hear em'.