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Are Ae getting better as they age?

AE_LIVE tldr yes

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#101 sweepstakes

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:50 PM

Sorry if I was rude but if you poop on my fave AE I'm gonna poop on yours, it's only fair.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:06 PM

I dunno if you were being rude, I was just being funny.

I'd be honestly curious to hear what you think 'detailed' means in music and how it relates to Untilted vs Quaristice.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:52 PM

I dunno if you were being rude, I was just being funny.

I'd be honestly curious to hear what you think 'detailed' means in music and how it relates to Untilted vs Quaristice.

Well I think Untilted had more discrete "events" as far as MIDI notes or whatever, and it may have even had more layers per track. But Quaristice had so much more nuance and atmosphere and subtle changes of color and light, and there was so much elegance and style. Untilted is sleeker and slicker, I think "sporty" is a good word. But Quaristice is so much more aesthetically sophisticated and psychedelic.

Take the reverb on the lead in The Plc for example. It starts out small and then it unfurls in such an organic way, then it turns into a snarl before it collapses back in on itself. And it does this subtly and musically, it's not just showing off, there's visceral feeling in it. It's not flashy drum fireworks but it sounds so lush and alive and alien. I think it sounds more like the mindbending contortions of their recent live material and elseq than anything they did in the interim years.

Then you have stuff like fol3 which I hated when I first heard it, skipped it every time, but I went back and started getting those weird concrète melodies stuck in my head. Maybe there aren't, like, objectively more details, but the ones that are there are so carefully curated. It all feels like the kind of dreamlike movie that lingers in your mind for weeks. Things don't appear to make sense at first but you start to see the internal logic of it all and then you can't imagine it any other way.

Also not to pick on the other feller but I resent the notion that live jams are somehow inferior to megalomaniacal musical planning. I don't trust a knob twiddler who always trusts his brain over his fingers.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 11:33 PM

Yes, AE are getting better as they age

 

elseq and AE_LIVE are the greatest electronic music I've ever heard



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:24 AM

Quaristice/Quadrange/etc. has some detailed sounds and tracks, but I don't know that there's anything that AE have ever done that's as detailed as Sublimit. I mean this may have to do with different perspectives on the word detailed in regards to music, but I dunno man...Quaristice is one of their least detailed albums, imo.

 

I agree with different perspectives regarding the word detailed, but the amount of detail does not correlate with quality or atmosphere. Untilted is a Hadron Collider, Quaristice is a Jules Verne novel (one day I'd like to make a 10,000 Leagues under the sea variant with Quaristice as a soundtrack). The reason Quaristice stands out among others is that it has this consistency, a story, a theme. That is of course just my personal view and does not mean I'm right or that you're wrong. Let's just enjoy music eh :)



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:12 AM

hell yeah they are getting better as they age. onesix tour is the most astounding stuff i've ever heard, their live sets are just unreal i dont know how they do it. they just bang out hours of music as if its no big deal. i thought when listening to the older ae_live sets that they'd reached the pinnacle but they just go and outdo themselves once again (although the older ones are actually MENTAL good). once these soundboards come out i dont reckon id be able to listen to anything else for a while. 

 

i always find myself comparing pretty much every other artist to autechre going "hmm its good but it aint autechre...". they make me demand more from everyone else. 



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:51 PM



I dunno if you were being rude, I was just being funny.

I'd be honestly curious to hear what you think 'detailed' means in music and how it relates to Untilted vs Quaristice.

Well I think Untilted had more discrete "events" as far as MIDI notes or whatever, and it may have even had more layers per track. But Quaristice had so much more nuance and atmosphere and subtle changes of color and light, and there was so much elegance and style. Untilted is sleeker and slicker, I think "sporty" is a good word. But Quaristice is so much more aesthetically sophisticated and psychedelic.

Take the reverb on the lead in The Plc for example. It starts out small and then it unfurls in such an organic way, then it turns into a snarl before it collapses back in on itself. And it does this subtly and musically, it's not just showing off, there's visceral feeling in it. It's not flashy drum fireworks but it sounds so lush and alive and alien. I think it sounds more like the mindbending contortions of their recent live material and elseq than anything they did in the interim years.

Then you have stuff like fol3 which I hated when I first heard it, skipped it every time, but I went back and started getting those weird concrète melodies stuck in my head. Maybe there aren't, like, objectively more details, but the ones that are there are so carefully curated. It all feels like the kind of dreamlike movie that lingers in your mind for weeks. Things don't appear to make sense at first but you start to see the internal logic of it all and then you can't imagine it any other way.

Also not to pick on the other feller but I resent the notion that live jams are somehow inferior to megalomaniacal musical planning. I don't trust a knob twiddler who always trusts his brain over his fingers.

Thanks for the detailed (HA) reply :)

I think I'm starting to see what you're seeing there, Q definitely has a lot more atmosphere and perhaps even more nuance. But to me that's not detail.

Detail in general refers to going over something specifically and particularly. A detailed report versus a regular report would have more specifics, more facts and contrasts, more research, more numbers...in my mind those very specific and exact things makes something more detailed, in general.

Also I'm sure there was a lot of detail put in when editing down those jams for Q...but yeah sweep, you've got a totally different definition of detailed music than me. Both are great albums of course :)

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 08:37 PM

I think I'm starting to see what you're seeing there, Q definitely has a lot more atmosphere and perhaps even more nuance. But to me that's not detail.

Detail in general refers to going over something specifically and particularly. A detailed report versus a regular report would have more specifics, more facts and contrasts, more research, more numbers...in my mind those very specific and exact things makes something more detailed, in general.

Also I'm sure there was a lot of detail put in when editing down those jams for Q...but yeah sweep, you've got a totally different definition of detailed music than me. Both are great albums of course :)

OK, we can agree to disagree, I don't really care about the definition of the stupid word. I will clarify that what annoyed me about Stickfigger's post wasn't the idea that there was less "detail" (whatever that means!) but that Quaristice was somehow an artistic step backward from Untilted, where I think it is orders of magnitude more mature and interesting. Which could be the result of life experience, introspection, and evolution in taste as much as technical ability. But for my money it's also technically more mature and exciting.

 

Also, it has an interesting history in the context of Untilted because it's made of mutations of its live set. This material spent time on the road getting tweaked, simmering (becoming more detailed, you might say, or even getting better with age!) in the dank Autechre pot, so it has a unique place in their catalog and I think its origin is important in understanding its aesthetics. It is almost by definition more fine-tuned than Untilted, even if there seems to be less going on there.

 

Like, maybe some of what you guys perceive as a lack of detail is itself actually another form of detail... you know what I mean? Trimming back, subtraction, moving things around a bit. And it replaced much of the vector/geometric/synthetic detail with photographic/textural/natural detail, which I love.

 

That dude likes Oversteps more than Exai, too, though, and I'm not even gonna go there, so, yeah, we're probably just at opposite ends of the Autechre/autism spectrum.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:48 PM

Exai was my favorite in a while. I like it more than Confield. 



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 12:45 AM

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 01:08 AM

Just noticed that based on alphabetic scheme, Amber and AE_LIVE can be seen 20 years apart from each other. I've been having a grand old time letting a track from Amber go and then dropping straight into the middle of a live track in a 2 decade insta-timewarp. It's pretty shocking to hear the change in dynamics and sound quality.

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This is fuckin weird but it reminds me of salmon.

Salmon start out young, small and sleek

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 When they are ready to spawn and die, they get gigantic and gnarly

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:55 AM

Autechre is actually an anagram for salmon

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:58 AM

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 03:52 AM

yes, they're getting better as they age, like good wine ! 





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