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Christ. vs Boards of Canada
Chris Horne, not Jesus Christ that is



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Posted 06 June 2006 - 11:14 AM

the kicks distort fine. its the lack of control of the highs. and the conflicts with reverb. too much stereo verb too. mono + panning may have resolved this issue. TOO MUCH ULTRA HIGH. high tones do not always have to be used to define the high point of a tune as well.

QUOTE (Archrival @ Jun 6 2006, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah its those distorted kicks...ugh!

and it sounds like the CD didnt get mastered...his tracks sounds so much lower in volume than the remixers tracks..but I checked the wavs and it seems ok, tho.


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Posted 06 June 2006 - 11:29 AM

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i agree with what youre saying...but you can look at the waves and you can hear clipping ear rattling distortion of highs. my bloody valentine has controlled distortion. and MUCH better quality that christ's recording. noise does not equate bad recording. shitty levels, poor eq, bad balance of sounds and clipping do. mbv was a poor choice.

hey, expert boy, i never said i liked mbv's production. it was an illustrative example, some people hate them because of the production.

'better' is a relative thing - some say Phil Spector ruined the album Let It Be by the Beatles, other like what he did. I think such debates are pointless, everyone has ears, everyone has taste. Do you think people release records if they believe the production sucks? I don't.

Interesting, what do you think about Bibio's records? Bad production again?

Edited by twiddler, 06 June 2006 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 06 June 2006 - 12:10 PM

bibio's production is quite good, in my opinion. the sound isnt blown out for one. you obviously understand that the sounds are degraded intentionally. but they are done so thoughtfully and do not offend the ear. meaning hurt the ear with piercing tones. the sound is full and balanced. very good use of subtle verb. 'it was willow' sound perfect to me.

[brother of boc perhaps under yet a diff name?] did say they had a musical bro in england, and the guitly on TCH sounds exactly the same.

but the the album as a whole is kind of boring to listen to. to me it doesnt go anywhere and gets tired fast. the tracks are nice when they fall between other tracks when on random on my pod. but i can never make it through that record.

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QUOTE (Raddcliff @ Jun 6 2006, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i agree with what youre saying...but you can look at the waves and you can hear clipping ear rattling distortion of highs. my bloody valentine has controlled distortion. and MUCH better quality that christ's recording. noise does not equate bad recording. shitty levels, poor eq, bad balance of sounds and clipping do. mbv was a poor choice.

hey, expert boy, i never said i liked mbv's production. it was an illustrative example, some people hate them because of the production.

'better' is a relative thing - some say Phil Spector ruined the album Let It Be by the Beatles, other like what he did. I think such debates are pointless, everyone has ears, everyone has taste. Do you think people release records if they believe the production sucks? I don't.

Interesting, what do you think about Bibio's records? Bad production again?


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Posted 06 June 2006 - 12:29 PM

QUOTE (Raddcliff @ Jun 6 2006, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
bibio's production is quite good, in my opinion. the sound isnt blown out for one. you obviously understand that the sounds are degraded intentionally. but they are done so thoughtfully and do not offend the ear. meaning hurt the ear with piercing tones. the sound is full and balanced. very good use of subtle verb. 'it was willow' sound perfect to me.

[brother of boc perhaps under yet a diff name?] did say they had a musical bro in england, and the guitly on TCH sounds exactly the same.

but the the album as a whole is kind of boring to listen to. to me it doesnt go anywhere and gets tired fast. the tracks are nice when they fall between other tracks when on random on my pod. but i can never make it through that record.


Yeah, I feel the same way about Bibio - interesting production(the guy studied sonic arts at university if I remember), very nice, but the music is a bit boring and overrepetitive at times.

I read some interview where boc said they have two brothers, one in England and the other one in Australia or New Zealand, who make music as well. I hope Stephen Wilkinson is not one of them, to be honest. I'd like to think of him as someone who sent his music to boc and they actually liked it.

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 12:31 PM

word.

QUOTE (twiddler @ Jun 6 2006, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Raddcliff @ Jun 6 2006, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

bibio's production is quite good, in my opinion. the sound isnt blown out for one. you obviously understand that the sounds are degraded intentionally. but they are done so thoughtfully and do not offend the ear. meaning hurt the ear with piercing tones. the sound is full and balanced. very good use of subtle verb. 'it was willow' sound perfect to me.

[brother of boc perhaps under yet a diff name?] did say they had a musical bro in england, and the guitly on TCH sounds exactly the same.

but the the album as a whole is kind of boring to listen to. to me it doesnt go anywhere and gets tired fast. the tracks are nice when they fall between other tracks when on random on my pod. but i can never make it through that record.


Yeah, I feel the same way about Bibio - interesting production(the guy studied sonic arts at university if I remember), very nice, but the music is a bit boring and overrepetitive at times.

I read some interview where boc said they have two brothers, one in England and the other one in Australia or New Zealand, who make music as well. I hope Stephen Wilkinson is not one of them, to be honest. I'd like to think of him as someone who sent his music to boc and they actually liked it.


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Posted 06 June 2006 - 01:19 PM

I totally agree with everything Raddcliff said. Raddcliff is very on point.

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 01:46 PM

Black Moth Super Rainbow's production pwns all.

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 03:05 PM

QUOTE (Yggdrasil @ Jun 6 2006, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think it's important to point out again that christ didn't do the mastering for his recent LP, which he feels was really horribly done (the afore-mentioned peaking, etc). 'seeing and doing' was completely done by christ though, and i think the production is crystal clear. so, expect something similar on 'blueshift emissions', which'll also be mastered and produced by the man himself.

most of the peaking synth washes in previous christ work were primarily bola's fault, in my opinion.

also, i fucking love reverb and delay, especially reverbed delay, or delayed reverb. so, i'm a bit partial to this stuff.




ya...to each his own. i was just saying why it wasn't for me.
but if you wanna talk high production values, and i know this won't take well here, but...level42, fleetwood mac have ridiculous production values [there are many others]...classical music, but those two stand out to me. in the electronic genre i find black dog/plaid, meat beat, ltj bukem, lfo sound great. [and lets not forget the team this particular board concerns]

Edited by Raddcliff, 06 June 2006 - 03:06 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2006 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE (Raddcliff @ Jun 7 2006, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ya...to each his own. i was just saying why it wasn't for me.
but if you wanna talk high production values, and i know this won't take well here, but...level42, fleetwood mac have ridiculous production values [there are many others]...classical music, but those two stand out to me. in the electronic genre i find black dog/plaid, meat beat, ltj bukem, lfo sound great. [and lets not forget the team this particular board concerns]


What do you mean by 'ridiculous' - high or low? (note: English is not my first language)
In case it's high:
I think level42 is one of the shittiest things I've heard, the bass guitar especially really annoys me. Fleetwood Mac is cool, I like what I've heard, one of my dad's favourite bands.

of the other bands I am only familiar with plaid, and I don't like most of their stuff. It's toocrisp, if this makes sense - something like the exact opposite of boc, soulless.
There's one track in particular that I like, it's called Stills - the midpart, the rest goes into some random drumbeats, but it's a beautiful track.

I know some real bad recordings of classical music - a free cd i got from a candy box, maybe it doesn't count, but it's stolen from other albums smiling.png

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 04:31 PM

"Level 42 - Starchild" is my ultimate guilty pleasure

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 05:51 PM

you miss understand...quality of recording. not style of music. but i do like level42 though. tight band.

again to each his.

and try not to peg yourself to one kind of music...be a little more open. you may find there is more out there you can enjoy. just cuz you like electronic music doesn't mean you have to ahte on other styles. i can say without caring that i enjoy some wham tracks...i dont really care what anyone thinks. i good hook is a good hook.

and electronic music is the lamest name for a really good genre of music.

what else could it be called. i hate when people ask...what kind of music is boards of canada...i can not bring myself to say electronic music..so i just say...techno...NO ha ha ha...electronic.


QUOTE (twiddler @ Jun 6 2006, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What do you mean by 'ridiculous' - high or low? (note: English is not my first language)
In case it's high:
I think level42 is one of the shittiest things I've heard, the bass guitar especially really annoys me. Fleetwood Mac is cool, I like what I've heard, one of my dad's favourite bands.

of the other bands I am only familiar with plaid, and I don't like most of their stuff. It's toocrisp, if this makes sense - something like the exact opposite of boc, soulless.
There's one track in particular that I like, it's called Stills - the midpart, the rest goes into some random drumbeats, but it's a beautiful track.

I know some real bad recordings of classical music - a free cd i got from a candy box, maybe it doesn't count, but it's stolen from other albums smiling.png


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Posted 06 June 2006 - 06:10 PM

the official genre is post-nostalgic semi-secular sesame beets

honestly, i think BoC have become a genre in their own right... i'd say we're only a couple years from gentle melodies, deteriorated sound, and some unsettling samples at least making cameos in more mainstream music... with BoC becoming more accesible of late, perhaps they aren't completely against lending inspiration outside the confines of beat geeks and the like...

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 06:54 PM

nicely put.

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the official genre is post-nostalgic semi-secular sesame beets

honestly, i think BoC have become a genre in their own right... i'd say we're only a couple years from gentle melodies, deteriorated sound, and some unsettling samples at least making cameos in more mainstream music... with BoC becoming more accesible of late, perhaps they aren't completely against lending inspiration outside the confines of beat geeks and the like...


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QUOTE (Raddcliff @ Jun 7 2006, 02:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you miss understand...quality of recording. not style of music. but i do like level42 though. tight band.

again to each his.

and try not to peg yourself to one kind of music...be a little more open. you may find there is more out there you can enjoy. just cuz you like electronic music doesn't mean you have to ahte on other styles. i can say without caring that i enjoy some wham tracks...i dont really care what anyone thinks. i good hook is a good hook.

and electronic music is the lamest name for a really good genre of music.

what else could it be called. i hate when people ask...what kind of music is boards of canada...i can not bring myself to say electronic music..so i just say...techno...NO ha ha ha...electronic.


I don't like electronic music that much - it's a predictably unpredictable type of music really. There are some nice tunes, though.
I listen to very different types of music - country, folk, rock, hiphop, practically every genre there is actually(except from a nasty form of pop-folk music popular where I live, it's pretty bad). No problem with that. Don't know why you came to the conclusion I like just electronic music, I'm not even that big of a fan really.
And I don't think boc is electronic music either - they're some kind of electronic music they've invented themselves, maybe.

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 04:28 AM

QUOTE (Yggdrasil @ Jun 6 2006, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
most of the peaking synth washes in previous christ work were primarily bola's fault, in my opinion.


Hmm, I find this kind of weird because all Bola's output is of a fookin' very high sound quality... all his tracks seem to be crystal clear and very well mixed / mastered.. imho.. kinda weird that he fucked up on Christ. his album then?

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Maybe Bola really hates Christ. and never told him. grin.png

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 08:36 AM

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I don't know what you lot are talking about MRM being "muddy" - mine has always been crystal clear - either that, or I don't have an ear developed enough to hear the differences.

Perhaps he's going for that broken, poorly recorded sound intentionally...?

sorry JR, but it's muddy as all hell. the mid to high frequencies bleed so badly that there's digital distortion on a lot of the tracks. i'm pretty sure this was not intentional. it makes the album very difficult to listen to on headphones (constant volume lowering to prevent ear destruction).


I don't want anyone to go through the trouble, but I listen to music mostly with headphones (at work), and I don't hear this muddiness you're talking about - is there a specific track/time that you can point me to as an example?

I'm curious about all this - time I get more into audio production and stuff.

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 08:37 AM

QUOTE (Fredd-E @ Jun 7 2006, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Yggdrasil @ Jun 6 2006, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

most of the peaking synth washes in previous christ work were primarily bola's fault, in my opinion.


Hmm, I find this kind of weird because all Bola's output is of a fookin' very high sound quality... all his tracks seem to be crystal clear and very well mixed / mastered.. imho.. kinda weird that he fucked up on Christ. his album then?


yeah Bola is a very skilled person when it comes to mastering records and his own tracks always sounds amazing when it comes to mixing, mastering and overall production...but as everyone can hear, even his talents couldnt help Christs record ;)

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 11:47 AM

ya i forgot bola. his stuff is awesome. i think he was/is the guy doing mastering for skam folk no? and if i remember reading correctly he helped AE take what they were doing initially and make it more accessible didn't he...at the start? incunabula i think?


bola1 and soup are extra good.

ya good call on the bola...totally forgot

re: christ...NOT SAYING HE'S SHIT...its just an analogy...okay? you can't polish a turd. in talking with enigneers...and the general rule is what you record has to be as good as it can going in, that way you have more to work with and manipulate. you can't take a shitty recording and make it great. you can only make it less shitty. so im sure if bola mastered christs album he did what he could to salvage it.


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yeah Bola is a very skilled person when it comes to mastering records and his own tracks always sounds amazing when it comes to mixing, mastering and overall production...but as everyone can hear, even his talents couldnt help Christs record ;)
i agree that bola's usual output is very clear, but christ's personal mastering is much better than bola's job on metamorphic. he definitely didn't use his talents to 'help' the record...instead he fucked it up. perhaps it was just a rush job on bola's part, or maybe he was a bit too wasted at the time...who knows.

either way, i feel it's sort of a moot issue. MRM is an excellent record regardless.


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Posted 07 June 2006 - 10:55 PM

i found many of his least boc-nizable tracks to be the most interesting. tracks like a giant bird. i think he should have waited over the years to release a zinger album from all the tracks out there right now, dropped the pylons and the broken crybaby synths.

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QUOTE (Joyrex @ Jun 6 2006, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Chris would want you to judge his music on it's own merits rather than compare it to BoC - and I like his music a lot.


That's what I've always thought about why his name was omitted from the Twoism re-release. I certainly get the impress he is consciously trying to down play the connection and be his own man.

Curiously, the mention of Chris disappeared from the official BoC bios sometime between late 2000 and 2001; Pylonesque came out in 2002, so he must have certainly been working on it at that point. Maybe he asked for his part to be removed.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 08:31 AM

to be fair to Mr. Christ., I just listened to Vernor Vinge for the first time and those tracks are really excellent, both the songs themselves and the production. i hope he continues in that vein.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 08:32 AM

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 04:48 PM

i wonder...[it wasn't a name omition...they took all their names of and replaced it with just the name of the group. so he WAS boc at that point, so technically his name wasn't taken off]...BUT i wonder [just to stir shit up] if was a coincidence that his name comes off the cover of 'twoism' and how shortly there after all the old tunes tapes started popping up online? makes-ya-wunder hmmmm?

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Curiously, the mention of Chris disappeared from the official BoC bios sometime between late 2000 and 2001; Pylonesque came out in 2002, so he must have certainly been working on it at that point. Maybe he asked for his part to be removed.


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Posted 09 June 2006 - 12:57 AM

if christ leaked 'old tunes', then why wouldn't he have leaked hooper bay, or acid memories?

or any of the other music70 releases... why just leak a couple of tapes of comp stuff.

anyway, they announced on this very site a few years back that they are still friends... i doubt that would be the case if he had leaked their tapes.

Edited by loganfive, 09 June 2006 - 01:05 AM.






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