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15 hours ago, user said:

Probably the reason tc came out with that june chorus pedal this year?

The TC/Behringer doesn't use the MN3009 chips and to my ears doesn't sound anything like the Juno chorus.  I have a Feedback 106 (which does use MN3009) in my modular which pretty much nails the sound.

 

 

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I have a few hardware delays, rack, stompbox and modular, nothing particularly esoteric, but my favourite is still probably the DOD FX90 (uses an MN3005 bbd).  Noisy and dirty and goes into self-oscillation when pushed.   

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2 hours ago, kakapo said:

I have a few hardware delays, rack, stompbox and modular, nothing particularly esoteric, but my favourite is still probably the DOD FX90 (uses an MN3005 bbd).  Noisy and dirty and goes into self-oscillation when pushed.   

Same here, my favorite analog delays are the DOD FX 90 and a modded Unicord Stage DE-1 (which is a big amp-top BBD delay that some previous owner put the wrong value delay time pot in, and I recently added some switchable caps in the filter path, so you can go from really clean, lush shorter delays out to ridiculously underclocked stuff where the delay time is 5-6 seconds (I forget what chip is in there but it's meant to top out at maybe 300ms or so) that degrade into aliased noise.

 

That's one of the really cool things about BBDs, they're kind of in a grey area between analog and digital audio, and if you push them out of spec you get digital aliasing in the analog domain, which sounds great.  The FX90 will do that too if you set the internal delay time trimpot all the way clockwise, but that thing is dirty enough as it is, so I ended up setting it to the longest time I could get before audible aliasing starts.

It's interesting that your FX90 will self-oscillate.  One of the things that initially disappointed me but ended up being one of the reasons it's my favorite analog delay these days is that it doesn't self-oscillate at high feedback settings like every other BBD delay I've ever used.  I've gone through and got it as close to factory calibrated as I can, so it's working like it's supposed to.  With the feedback all the way up, I get almost endless repeats, more like what a digital delay would do than what BBD delays typically do, but it never turns into howling feedback from the self noise or anything like that, it'll just repeat at more or less unity gain and slowly degrade from every trip through the delay line.  Only BBD echo I've used in my life that can do that. So no spaceship noises, but you can do some basic, tape style sound on sound with it.

 

EDIT: a lot of people hate on the sound of the bypass buffer in old DOD pedals and it definitely does color the sound pretty noticeably in bypass but I actually really like what it does and think of it as "the DOD sound" now. I've got a couple vintage/DIY fuzz pedals that usually sound bad with any kind of buffer in the effects chain with them, that I actually think sound as good or even better through a bypassed 80s DOD.  It's a bit like the tone of an old Space Echo preamp, but not quite the same.

Anyway, yeah, get an FX-90 while they still cost 1/3 of what the comparable Boss pedals go for.

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I've seen the analogy of bbds being analogue sampling, I think because each stage in the bbd is effectively a sample and hold circuit and they have filter stages like a DAC/ADC, but never thought of 'digital aliasing in the analog domain'.  I'm going to read up on it and try to get my head round it.

There was a useful guide to the trim pots on the FX90 , I'm not sure this is the same one I used, but it's useful and gives an example of the self oscillation.  I think I've read that even with adjustment not all FX90s will self oscillate.  It was actually set up to self oscillate when I first got it but I have it fairly tame at the moment.

https://www.doktorsewage.com/hot-rod-dod-mod-fx90-analog-delay/

I know what you mean with the slowly degrading quality, I often use it with my modular and then drive it back through a resonant filter. 

 

   

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I cannot fuckin believe it - I open the lid of my laptop yesterday and out of nowhere there is a fan making noise. It has literally been a month since I had to replace the screen a second time in 2 years because the backlight broke out of the blue. My last macbook pro was and still is a tank and lasted for 10 years with no issue, not sure what the fuck is wrong with the modern ones, and I took that one out to DJ and mess around more than I took this one anywhere.

I don't like being the one mac dude who keeps talking about his repairs but this is getting ridiculous now.

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https://www.plogue.com/products/chipsynth-md.html

This thing is beyond incredible and can sound lush as fuck if set accordingly. In minutes I've dialed super complex bell-ish pads à la Egyptrixx (I'm over the moon really, I've been wanting to nail such sounds for years now).

It of course does the Sega MegaDrive / Genesis bread and butter super convincingly, but it can really do so much more. Basically, the FM engine itself can be quite pristine, and depending on the (virtual) DAC you pick (to my surprise there's been tons of revisions of the console) and similar options you can dirt it up in a tasteful, grungy, characterful way.

I can already tell I'm going to use it A LOT.

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I got a DAFM a while ago and it sounds great, although the firmware still needs a few more tweaks (last version I got the pitch bend range was only a half step but there's a promised update that will make it user-adjustable over at least +//- 1 octave).  YM2612 sounds so good. On paper it's almost the same chip as an FB-01 or a DX-100 but in practice it really does its own thing.

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Ruismaker noir is an iOS version of DFAM.

it’s amazing. Highly recommended.

http://ruismaker.com/noir/

ive done an a - b and it’s freaking close, but a lot more features.  

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Seems cool, I'm talking about DAFM not DFAM tho

 

DFAM seems cool but out of my price range, if I had an iOs device I'd try that out.

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Hahaha wow 🤦‍♂️

the human brain is amazing!

it deonst mtater waht odrer the lerttes in a wrod ar as lnog as the frsit and last lteters are crocret!

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re Chipsynth MD. It includes a VGM player, so I had to listen to Sonic 1's OST through it and through my monitors. As a kid, I would have never ever dreamed of listening to it with such accuracy/definition. You can even mute / solo tracks, change speed and tuning... that was so awesome.

Nostalgia aside, I'm floored by the sheer tonal qualities of that synth.  I've been trying (hard) to get the sort of FM sounds you'd hear in Egyptrixx / Barker / Gabor Lazar / Mark Bell... tunes for quite some time now, and it's surprisingly easy and convincing with that one. And it sounds gorgeous right away.
The soundprint it self has an aura to it, like the finest hardware FM synths recordings I've heard really. It's sounds alive, period. I don't know how they do, PortaFM was already quite impressive in that regard (much of a simpler beast though). It oozes personality and attitude, can go so much further / deeper than video-game like synths.
Blasphemy incoming : I'd have kept the Digitone if it had had a similarly strong sonic personality.

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3 hours ago, Nil said:

re Chipsynth MD. It includes a VGM player, so I had to listen to Sonic 1's OST through it and through my monitors. As a kid, I would have never ever dreamed of listening to it with such accuracy/definition. You can even mute / solo tracks, change speed and tuning... that was so awesome.

Nostalgia aside, I'm floored by the sheer tonal qualities of that synth.  I've been trying (hard) to get the sort of FM sounds you'd hear in Egyptrixx / Barker / Gabor Lazar / Mark Bell... tunes for quite some time now, and it's surprisingly easy and convincing with that one. And it sounds gorgeous right away.
The soundprint it self has an aura to it, like the finest hardware FM synths recordings I've heard really. It's sounds alive, period. I don't know how they do, PortaFM was already quite impressive in that regard (much of a simpler beast though). It oozes personality and attitude, can go so much further / deeper than video-game like synths.
Blasphemy incoming : I'd have kept the Digitone if it had had a similarly strong sonic personality.

Love the sound of the sega genesis, pretty sure the first time I’ve heard FM was on this machine 

 

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wow you got rid of digitone

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Yup. Not regretting it at all.

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Current GAS status:

  • laptop in for repairs - using my trusty 2009 mbp
  • messed up and broke the left driver on my Beyerdynamic DT-770s; need to order a replacement now but why bother fixing the part when it's probably worth it to just get a new pair?
  • been without speakers/monitors for 2 months now, hopefully UPS guy will not leave me hanging tomorrow

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15 hours ago, sheatheman said:

Ruismaker noir is an iOS version of DFAM.

it’s amazing. Highly recommended.

http://ruismaker.com/noir/

ive done an a - b and it’s freaking close, but a lot more features.  

Had no idea they were so close in comparison. Thanks for sharing! I love Noir, and admittedly I hadn't heard any similarities in any DFAM videos I've seen (I haven't heard one in-person). The combo of modulation and the sequencer in Noir makes it really easy to get usable phrases quickly. A lot of the sounds I get out of Noir sound like Randomer to me.

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I read an "in the studio" article with Ben Lukas Boysen and wondered what that sexy thing to the top left was... Immediately after, I stumbled upon this in the local online listings. Bids are up to 300 eur.

So gorgeous and likely a lot of fun outdoors but not what I'm looking for in terms of tape color. Nice piece of history anyway, having been used so widely in TV and film in the 70's and 80's. One reportedly still worked after being dropped off a helicopter...

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300e is nothing for a decent Nagra III. I have a IVs which I got a good deal on from a retired sound recordist a few years back, I don't use it much. Just an incredible piece of engineering. Pretty sure Kudelski still service them too. 

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Ohmygod! I always wanted to have a nagra machine! I wouldn’t even use it... just place it somewhere in a corner of my living room on a coffee table. Beautiful!

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I've wanted a Nagra since high school but never going to happen.

 

I did get a pretty well preserved Wollensak T-1500 for $5 back when I worked at a record store and it also looks great and has a nice sounding tube preamp, but it's not even close to the same league as a Nagra.I only really use it as a guitar recording amp occasionally.

 

Mine doesn't have that sweet soft case like the one I linked, and there's a big scratch near the logo on the handle (which is slightly different - mine is one of the later tube variations), but otherwise it's about the same.  You can get them pretty cheap all the time on eBay, there are like half a dozen under $100 BIN right now.  Cheap way to get a 1960s tube preamp that distorts well and has a useful one-knob tone control (more going on there than just rolling of high end) but watch out for the solid state models.  There are a ton of variants and they're all inexpensive but it can be hard to tell them apart.

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That looks like a really cool piece, and an absolute steal in your case. I suspect the Nagra piece will get scalped at a higher price as the timer runs out, dedicated sellers are really exploiting the vintage angle these days (look at the current prices for Roland gear 😲). The cool thing about hardware is that even the right transformers will color and warm up a signal, so solid state designs are nothing to preemptively scoff at. Conversely, a lot of cheap tube gear either doesn't power the tubes well (starved-plate design) or involve the tubes in any meaningful way (except selling more units). Hence I'd rather spring for a cheap but solid discrete piece like the golden age Pre 73 than something like the Art tube mixer... Even pricey stuff like the TLA tubetracker turns out to be pretty sketchy when you look into the details. 

The klark teknik pultec and la2a clones seem to be a grey zone as people claim they perform pretty well, especially if you replace the stock tubes with more exotic variants (I'm looking into JJ personally). Behringer making quality stuff... what an age! 

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The starved plate/low voltage tube designs you're talking about are purely a modern gimmick, old tube gear is a whole different thing. Old Wollensaks are an absolute steal to use as preamps, the actual tape section is almost irrelevant (it can be fun to record to it but it's nothing special), if you see one that works grab it.

There are a couple of tube T-1500s on US eBay right now for around $65, which is actually cheaper than a TubeMP and the difference between a TubeMP or similar and something like a Wollensak is night and day. I don't know specific brands or models to look for but there were plenty of European equivalents, probably even more since Germany was 15-20 years ahead of the USA on this stuff.  If it's pre 1970 or so, has tubes and has a mic level input it's worth a look IMO.

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You're totally right, old stuff just has a completely different build quality. I saw a decent eBay deal at 100e for a functional "Wooly sack" (bastardization i spotted in the wild 😁) in the UK, might be worth picking up... 

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On 9/5/2019 at 12:14 PM, Taupe Beats said:

Had no idea they were so close in comparison. Thanks for sharing! I love Noir, and admittedly I hadn't heard any similarities in any DFAM videos I've seen (I haven't heard one in-person). The combo of modulation and the sequencer in Noir makes it really easy to get usable phrases quickly. A lot of the sounds I get out of Noir sound like Randomer to me.

Yeah, definitely randomeresq. The way it works takes so much guess work out of mixing. Monophonic, each phrase exists within a small spectrum world, like the same ingredients go into making the kick and the hihat (unless you use the hihat oscillator). Monophonic beats: very simple and effective method.

 

re digitone, I played one again today (the keys), and I just don’t get inspired from a short session. I hate sound locks.

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Just watched Cuckoo's Chipsynth MD video, sounds great!

There's also Deflemask for those who are into trackers, which has the added bonus of being able to export a ROM for the MD to play natively. It also supports a bunch of other consoles, and is free!

Also, not really getting the Digitone hate, every time I turn mine on I'm inspired to make some unique sounds. I'm not always productive in a musical sense with it (I'm having an unrelated melodic crisis at the moment where I feel like all of my melodies/progressions sound too cheesy, and the Digitone kinda pushes me to make melodic music), but for me it's an amazing sound design tool. Then again, I'm a bit of an Elektron fanboy so it's probably not a surprise lol

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