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I created some factory content for it. Not sure how much made it into the machine, but there's a video that just got posted which shows someone scrolling through presets and I could see a couple of mine in there.

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1 hour ago, auxien said:

OT + overbridge and more RAM would be better obv....i'd assume they're going to do that one day but perhaps years down the road

i'd say too much more in an OT is basically just a DAW. if you need more than an OT then hook up a MIDI controller to your fave DAW and shut the fuck up 😉

I understand you and i do use controllers and daws. 
...but:
OT + OB + more RAM =! DAW

OT no matter what it still wouldn’t be able to touch a daw, nowhere near it! What can be done in, say Ableton, it’s crazy!

 OB would be great just so could jam for an hour or so, record 8 stereo channels and edit them later, nothing else. Now we can record 2 stereo or 4 mono channels which is usually not enough. Maybe it’d be enough if OT had better processors and efx and/or if we could load more of them on a single channel, then daw wouldn’t be much needed bc we could properly mix a track on OT but it still wouldn’t be something like Ableton or especially not (a million miles away) Samplitude. 

p.s. with this ram you can record on- board only 5 min (24 bit) and 8 min (16 bit) of material with completely empty flex slot list (=ram free of samples)

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I'd just like them to make it possible to paste into pattern locations other than the current one.

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I'm pretty stoked for this. I was already lusting for the M:S - the Elektronauts folks who actually make tunes instead of whining have sung its praises and made some wicked stuff with it. I hope my will is strong enough to wait until next year to buy either one, but I think I'll ultimately end up with both. Either seems like a real sweet spot of limitation vs. power, has a great sequencer, roughly knob-per function UI, sounds great, has a good form factor for throwing in a bag and taking to a buddy's house OR chilling on the couch. Also that new battery handle means I can go for a walk at lunch and make tunes under a tree or on the bus. Different strokes I guess - the people who are hating on this thing probably can't coax half-decent stuff out of a PO/volca/gameboy either 😆

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"the elektronauts folks who actually make tunes" lol would like to meet one of those rare creatures...

edit : also, 4 synthesis parameters per machine, for christ sake, is this a joke ?

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I hate to admit it, but everything I am hearing and seeing on youtube about the models cycles is great. I realize I can dial all these sounds in via the digitone, but these preset machines probably speeds things up significantly.

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yes, some nice sounding demo here and there (Devine, Blush Response) but far too limited in terms of synthesis, not buying it.

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My first 16 patterns. Hopefully a couple of them made it onto the machine. 

It's basically nanoloop 2 in a box 🤘

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I'm assuming the sequencer doesn't put out polyphonic midi when using the Chord machine?  Missed a trick there.  Modey, I didn't realize you were vague robots, I've watched a few videos today and your demos are making the best use of it compared against the usual suspects.   

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19 minutes ago, kakapo said:

I'm assuming the sequencer doesn't put out polyphonic midi when using the Chord machine?  Missed a trick there.  Modey, I didn't realize you were vague robots, I've watched a few videos today and your demos are making the best use of it compared against the usual suspects.   

thx m8 🙂I haven't watched any demos yet, but there's a video that runs through all of the preset patterns (they used 4 of mine!! I'm so happy), and it's really interesting to see how versatile it is depending on who's using it. I'm gonna try to get weird with it. That said though, my next video will probably be using it with the Monomachine—I paired them the other night and made some super deep space electro stuff. It also gets pretty dirty and distorted once you start pushing the levels up; I need to exploit that.

I haven't tried external sequencing yet, but I'm sure it's just mono, as the "chord" setting is just a parameter, and controls a cluster of oscillators, like the chord mode on Plaits.

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What i dont like about M:C is that i have minus ZERO interest in it 😕

 

p.s. Modey, your presentations of DN on yt are def my fav so far! yoy kung-fu good!

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I love my Digitone, but the menu diving makes it kind of hard to quickly do stuff on the fly (rather than programming everything in ahead of time). Model:Cycles actually might be a good accompaniment to it with those dedicated knobs. And at $300, it's certainly worth it. That's what I paid for my Korg ESX.

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Finally placed an order for the Epiphone tribute plus! Was a bitch to find in stock but none of the equivalent alternatives from Epiphone, PRS or ESP seemed up to par, all have hotter pickups and lousier materials. I almost considered the ridiculous prizm finish as it was the lowest priced and still available, but I finally found a red one at a good price. It baffles me how the same model can range hundreds of euros depending on the vendor. 

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I need a decent on-the-go interface and went with Apogee's jam +. Gear4music threw it in with a cheapass dynamic mic bundle, all at a lower price than the standalone product at other vendors. Figured why not? Should hold the GAS demon at bay... Though I've got eyes on the Sire Marcus Miller P7 five string bass. Great price and the thing sounds fantastic in the demos, even against vintage fender P basses. 

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10 hours ago, d-a-m-o said:

"the elektronauts folks who actually make tunes" lol would like to meet one of those rare creatures...

AdamJay and Baseck spring immediately to mind, not to mention our own modey.

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got a model:samples coming to my place tomorrow hopefully. behringer TD-3 should arrive in a week. kinda want to add a model:cycles to it in a few months for a live setup maybe? have a minilogue xd, behringer 101 and a monologue as well, curious what kind of braindancing i can get out of all this 🙂

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On 2/26/2020 at 6:44 AM, xox said:

I understand you and i do use controllers and daws. 
...but:
OT + OB + more RAM =! DAW

OT no matter what it still wouldn’t be able to touch a daw, nowhere near it! What can be done in, say Ableton, it’s crazy!

 OB would be great just so could jam for an hour or so, record 8 stereo channels and edit them later, nothing else. Now we can record 2 stereo or 4 mono channels which is usually not enough. Maybe it’d be enough if OT had better processors and efx and/or if we could load more of them on a single channel, then daw wouldn’t be much needed bc we could properly mix a track on OT but it still wouldn’t be something like Ableton or especially not (a million miles away) Samplitude. 

i was never trying to say or imply that OT mk3 with more RAM and OB = Ableton, just that at some point not too far past where an OT is now, you’re getting closer to a pretty basic DAW. 
 

re: Model:Cycles, idk. seems okay for the price for some people I guess? but nothing I heard made me interested in ever considering it. almost all of these Elektron boxes are being designed as essentially different versions of a groovebox, getting a bit same-y tbh. 

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4 hours ago, chronical said:

got a model:samples coming to my place tomorrow hopefully. behringer TD-3 should arrive in a week. kinda want to add a model:cycles to it in a few months for a live setup maybe? have a minilogue xd, behringer 101 and a monologue as well, curious what kind of braindancing i can get out of all this 🙂

I'm biased, but I think the M:C would fit right in to a setup like that. Proudly digital synthesis among analog is pretty braindance, right?

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I've been avoiding real DAW usage for many years. I'm finally realizing that making stuff that slams is more satisfying than a fun knob twiddling jam. What's more, they're not mutually exclusive. 

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9 hours ago, sweepstakes said:

I've been avoiding real DAW usage for many years. I'm finally realizing that making stuff that slams is more satisfying than a fun knob twiddling jam. What's more, they're not mutually exclusive. 

I'm not against daws but I never want to program another midi note or micromanage audio snippets again. Kills the vibe so hard. 

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I go through phases. I actually kinda want to have a go at proper composition again soon, as I've learned a lot about chord to progressions since the last prog album I made. I don't do piano rolls though, I've always felt more at home with a tracker. 

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I've only seen a few videos of the Model:Cycles but what I have seen I really enjoyed.  Same with the Model:Samples.  Fact is, not everyone wants to spend half their time menu diving on a system that needs you to chuck anywhere upto €1500 at it and that can takes years to master.  Plus they look like good stepping stones if you're just starting too.  I didn't enjoy my A4 anywhere near as much until I got my hands on the Digitakt and became a little less overwhelmed with the whole thing.

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32 minutes ago, chim said:

I'm not against daws but I never want to program another midi note or micromanage audio snippets again. Kills the vibe so hard. 

I've found that it's fun to jam and record that as it goes, and then cut, fix and arrange things to make a more coherent piece of music. It's two different headspaces but I am trying to make them work well together.

And I think definitely it will get easier to mess around with arrangements and melodies over time once you get used to it.

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1 hour ago, chim said:

I'm not against daws but I never want to program another midi note or micromanage audio snippets again. Kills the vibe so hard. 

I agree but I think there's a sweet spot. For me (right now, anyway) that seems to mean first making the base elements away from the DAW. Then I put on my mixing and editing hat to clean it up, which I'm starting to enjoy as I realize I don't really have to spend that much time on it.

Cutting up individual notes sucks. Moving bars around and being able to surgically remove a minute of wanky, dull tweaking is great. I have been kind of against that in the past, but now I'm finding it liberating.

1 hour ago, modey said:

I go through phases. I actually kinda want to have a go at proper composition again soon, as I've learned a lot about chord to progressions since the last prog album I made. I don't do piano rolls though, I've always felt more at home with a tracker. 

I also feel way more at home on a tracker. Unfortunately editing is a bit tedious on Renoise when it comes to moving events around in relation to other tracks. I'm trying to use instrument phrases more to help with that. I might give Redux a shot at some point too.

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3 hours ago, sweepstakes said:

I agree but I think there's a sweet spot. For me (right now, anyway) that seems to mean first making the base elements away from the DAW. Then I put on my mixing and editing hat to clean it up, which I'm starting to enjoy as I realize I don't really have to spend that much time on it.

Cutting up individual notes sucks. Moving bars around and being able to surgically remove a minute of wanky, dull tweaking is great. I have been kind of against that in the past, but now I'm finding it liberating.

 After yet another catastrophic drive failure a few years ago I took a break. Eventually I realized I didn't miss all the technical programming and obsession over details. But working in a typical DAW with piano rolls it's way too easy to get lured into that and I've been working that way since forever. It's fine for tweaking in the mixing stage but when you're still churning ideas out the creative process suffers, unless you're like rich and really intimate with a hw sequencer (or tracker) . What I missed was just playing instruments and grooving, which I've been doing solely and want to extend that into a recording workflow. My favorite idea right now is a live/jam setup with readily available instruments (strapped guitar, keyboard in front and standing v-drum kit?) hooked up to a looper.

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And now I have Willie's cover of Maniac stuck in my head, on repeat, forever (again). Thank you.

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