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3 hours ago, thawkins said:

I have been thinking about for a year already - getting a subwoofer to match my pair of Neumann KH120A.

Which brings me to thinking about how to set up my room correction plugin EQ in a way that does not require all audio to pass through a DAW in a laptop.

 

https://www.neumann.com/homestudio/en/kh-750-dsp

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I’ve been offered that gorgeous, glorious piece of recording history : a Nagra 4.2. It belonged to my father in law (very cool dude, former filmaker who’s always been fascinated by sound), he gave it

Won a Polyend Tracker in a contest today.  Very excited!

Finally snatched one of these bad boys!   

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4 hours ago, thawkins said:

I think I am not going to get a DJing setup, just looking for a turntable for listening purposes. I recall someone mentioning in this thread that turntables geared towards DJing (like the Technics) might actually not sound as good as something much less iconic and cheaper, so I figure that aiming for something that both sounds good and is sturdy and reliable for DJing is going to set me back much more in terms of $$$ than something that is aimed for listening but not so much for DJing.

Yeah and now this brings me to a huge GAS related purchase that I have been thinking about for a year already - getting a subwoofer to match my pair of Neumann KH120A.

Which brings me to thinking about how to set up my room correction plugin EQ in a way that does not require all audio to pass through a DAW in a laptop.

Which brings me to indecision and depression. 🙂

Anyway thanks for the tips.

Regarding the room correction, you could always look in to getting a miniDSP and write off the cost of the software you have as paying a bit too much for the test microphone it came with.

 

https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/minidsp-2x4-hd

 

EDIT: never mind, I just noticed that version doesn't do room correction without buying a $200 firmware upgrade, and at that point it's too expensive to be worth it IMO.

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1 minute ago, TubularCorporation said:

Regarding the room correction, you could always look in to getting a miniDSP and write off the cost of the software you have as paying a bit too much for the test microphone it came with.

 

https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidspkits/2-x-in-4-x-out-hd

I was actually just thinking about half-assing it and copying the EQ curve from the IK ARC 2 into my MOTU Track16 DSP EQ. Most of the messy parts are in the low end so I should be able to approximate it more or less, at least for casual listening.

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Based on the GAS in this thread I've placed an order for the Lyra8 diy kit, and going to have my buddy at Magpie Modular design a super tricked out panel for it. 

Random note, I accidentally order 2 Gods Box Lollipop compresser Diy kits.  I've got one of em unopened and wanted to see if anyone wanted it before I paid to ship it back to the UK, or perhaps someone has something interesting to trade.

https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/lollipop/

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1 hour ago, Bluetech said:

Based on the GAS in this thread I've placed an order for the Lyra8 diy kit, and going to have my buddy at Magpie Modular design a super tricked out panel for it. 

Random note, I accidentally order 2 Gods Box Lollipop compresser Diy kits.  I've got one of em unopened and wanted to see if anyone wanted it before I paid to ship it back to the UK, or perhaps someone has something interesting to trade.

https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/lollipop/

How did you manage that?  I've been on the waiting list for the next batch for over two weeks now and they won't even take payment in advance.

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On 8/26/2020 at 1:59 PM, TubularCorporation said:

How did you manage that?  I've been on the waiting list for the next batch for over two weeks now and they won't even take payment in advance.

Im also waiting, but I ordered 3 of them and contacted a bit ago. 

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been mighty tempted by any boom-bap making devices ala the MPC's or Roland SP's but now realising I should just focus on the good ole' Octatrack and go really deep with that, just such a bummer that you cant MIDI trigger slices, how have Elektron not solved this by now :blink:

I probably shouldn't even ask, but are there any other hardware alternatives out there for simple vinyl/sampling beat making?

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10 minutes ago, TRiP said:

been mighty tempted by any boom-bap making devices ala the MPC's or Roland SP's but now realising I should just focus on the good ole' Octatrack and go really deep with that, just such a bummer that you cant MIDI trigger slices, how have Elektron not solved this by now :blink:

I probably shouldn't even ask, but are there any other hardware alternatives out there for simple vinyl/sampling beat making?

The Blackbox 1010 was a popular choice for a while. My buddy had one for a bit and I think he decided he didn't like the lack of physical pads.

If you wanna go REALLY simple, the PO33 is a hoot, but with that you throw MIDI out the window entirely.

What is your use case for MIDI triggering slices? Control with physical pads? It might be worth just running an MPC (any MPC) alongside the OT if this is important to you. They are different enough that they could complement each other. WNY / Winnie the Shit was using this setup for a bit and he said as much about them complementing each other. That said, I tried this a while back and found it a little too beaucoup for me.

I will say that for slicing up vinyl loops/phrases, I've found the MPC1000 w/ JJOS to be the absolute best option. The slicing workflow is wicked fast, and once you've got your slices, bashing the pads to arrange can be very satisfying and musical. Sometimes this feels almost trance-like with the micro-rhythms pulling you in different directions as you discover delicious pockets of grooves.

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6 minutes ago, sweepstakes said:

The Blackbox 1010 was a popular choice for a while. My buddy had one for a bit and I think he decided he didn't like the lack of physical pads.

If you wanna go REALLY simple, the PO33 is a hoot, but with that you throw MIDI out the window entirely.

What is your use case for MIDI triggering slices? Control with physical pads? It might be worth just running an MPC (any MPC) alongside the OT if this is important to you. They are different enough that they could complement each other. WNY / Winnie the Shit was using this setup for a bit and he said as much about them complementing each other. That said, I tried this a while back and found it a little too beaucoup for me.

I will say that for slicing up vinyl loops/phrases, I've found the MPC1000 w/ JJOS to be the absolute best option. The slicing workflow is wicked fast, and once you've got your slices, bashing the pads to arrange can be very satisfying and musical. Sometimes this feels almost trance-like with the micro-rhythms pulling you in different directions as you discover delicious pockets of grooves.

I dont know what it is but for some reason the Blackbox 1010 really turns me off, just looks so sterile! Also a bit pricey with as you say lack of physical pads. I'm sure looks can be deceiving and its actually great but not a huge fan of touchscreen.

As far as i'm aware the Octatrack doesn't allow you to trigger slices via MIDI or any external input. Had the idea to somehow get a MPD working so would have the best of both worlds and do the MPC thing while in the Elektron workflow world but sadly no joy!

Didnt realise the MPC 1000's went for so much money these days, maybe my imagination but thought they were way cheaper a few years back - I see MPC 2500's for cheaper!

Ill keep my eyes out for any bargains tho! Its an itch which may never be scratched till you're bashing those pads, as you say :cisfor:

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1 hour ago, TRiP said:

As far as i'm aware the Octatrack doesn't allow you to trigger slices via MIDI or any external input. Had the idea to somehow get a MPD working so would have the best of both worlds and do the MPC thing while in the Elektron workflow world but sadly no joy!

I wanted to do a similar thing and I discovered a hack for this which is, frankly, terrible. Unfortunately it's a little involved, but if you want it badly enough it's something you can set up in basically any MIDI processing environment:

  • Lock the slice number to scenes: left scene has the minimum slice, right has the maximum slice.
  • Set up your MIDI processor to convert notes/pads to the crossfader CC (I think it's 45) so that the first pad sends 0, the last sends 127, and the rest are between. Now you will hear that slice played as expected.
  • Also set it up to send the correct slice number at the normal playback start CC. This way, that parameter change will be recorded.
  • Finally, send the note for that track.
  • Now bash pads and record.
  • Remove the scene locks and repeat for other tracks. Yes - it is tedious.

If you skip the crossfader/scene bit, the slice will actually be properly recorded, but the slice will not get updated in the playback engine until about 150ms after you send the CC, which obviously is useless for finger drumming.

I detailed this on elektronauts but I can't be arsed to find the post - slightly hungover from a jam sesh yesterday, hehe.

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7 hours ago, Bluetech said:

Im also waiting, but I ordered 3 of them and contacted a bit ago. 

Sounds like they're expecting them in a couple weeks as of 2-3 days ago.

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18 minutes ago, TubularCorporation said:

Sounds like they're expecting them in a couple weeks as of 2-3 days ago.

That was the communication I got. 

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On 8/29/2020 at 5:15 PM, sweepstakes said:

I wanted to do a similar thing and I discovered a hack for this which is, frankly, terrible. Unfortunately it's a little involved, but if you want it badly enough it's something you can set up in basically any MIDI processing environment:

  • Lock the slice number to scenes: left scene has the minimum slice, right has the maximum slice.
  • Set up your MIDI processor to convert notes/pads to the crossfader CC (I think it's 45) so that the first pad sends 0, the last sends 127, and the rest are between. Now you will hear that slice played as expected.
  • Also set it up to send the correct slice number at the normal playback start CC. This way, that parameter change will be recorded.
  • Finally, send the note for that track.
  • Now bash pads and record.
  • Remove the scene locks and repeat for other tracks. Yes - it is tedious.

If you skip the crossfader/scene bit, the slice will actually be properly recorded, but the slice will not get updated in the playback engine until about 150ms after you send the CC, which obviously is useless for finger drumming.

I detailed this on elektronauts but I can't be arsed to find the post - slightly hungover from a jam sesh yesterday, hehe.

wow jaysus fair play!

So close yet so far, nice to know it is posible but as you say perhaps too tedious to keep doing everytime you want to use the feature

c'mon Elekron!

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2 hours ago, TRiP said:

wow jaysus fair play!

So close yet so far, nice to know it is posible but as you say perhaps too tedious to keep doing everytime you want to use the feature

c'mon Elekron!

Yeah sadly this bug goes back to the dawn of the OT. I've accepted that finger drumming needs must be addressed by other tools, which is fine for me because the OT has lots more to offer that can't be found elsewhere, at least not within immediate reach.

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I recently went on a bit of a gear buying spree after selling some gear and records. Pretty impulsive, but I ended up with:

Roland SH01A + TB03: I never thought I'd like these, but I am so glad I bought them, as the form factor is beautiful and there are so many sounds I randomly stumble upon from some of my favourite classic IDM tracks. 

Korg NS5R: I got it into my head that having a QY70 and SY22 wasn't enough in terms of romplers, so tracked down one of these. Super lush and weirdly interesting to program. Pairs nicely with Pyramid, which it has finally got me using!

Retrokits RK-006: I got sick of not having a USB-MIDI host. This has the benefit of also doing a whole lot of other stuff with MIDI that I'll likely never use. 

Chase Bliss MOOD: Probably the most impulsive purchase of the lot. Lush pedal, but it is definitely most appropriate for live playing. I'll keep it around for a bit longer, but I'll probably eventually move it along. 

I blame lockdown for all of this 😛 

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5 hours ago, modey said:

I blame lockdown for all of this 😛 

I was going to make 2020 a "depth year" until lockdown. So far I've picked up an acoustic guitar, 0-Coast and 0-Ctrl, and my first euro case (2x84HP) which is almost full now.

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1 hour ago, thawkins said:

Thanks to doing the weekly jams I have basically stopped using half my gear because it is easier to work with less stuff. Down to laptop and two synths now (Korg MicroX and Roland XV5080).

I wonder if there's a lesson in this somewhere ...

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Ha yeah, when I want to get something down super quickly I just use software. I'm working on music for a game that I'm making and have found that it's way easier to do it all in software because it's possible to go back and make changes without having to re-record anything. 

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I can't watch more than 30s of that video, the editing and cuts is just too insane. I have heard that story before though, so nice.

 

I succumbed to GAS yesterday and bought a drum tuning key and a hi-hat clutch. Now I only need a nice backpack style cymbal bag and a proper nice ride. Might also need a snare though.. ahh shit it's starting again!

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