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It probably sounds terrible and I bet you need a 30v-or-whatever driver of some kind to make it compatible with an analog phone system (or maybe not, maybe it's line level, who knows), but this particular variation of Western Electric #52 switchboard operator headset is the most stylish thing ever and if I was a regular vocoder user I would have to own one:

 

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Won a Polyend Tracker in a contest today.  Very excited!

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I'm going through another phase of wishing I had a Nord Drum lately, this time it's the 3p that really looks good to me.

 

Not even close to an option these days, though.

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On 9/11/2020 at 1:16 AM, Stickfigger said:

Picked up a Tascam Model 12 yesterday; selling my soundcard. 

Really nice little unit

Sweet. I am looking to replace my zoom r16 with this. Love multi-tracking and while the zoom is great, absence of eq's and midi is a shame.

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2 hours ago, e-mertz said:

Sweet. I am looking to replace my zoom r16 with this. Love multi-tracking and while the zoom is great, absence of eq's and midi is a shame.

Afaik zoom r16 has digital eqs

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2 hours ago, xox said:

Afaik zoom r16 has digital eqs

xox you"re right, I meant to say absence of eqing knobs and midi is a shame. The digital eq on the zoom is very annoying to use being a submenu together with panning and fx. Very difficult to get an overview that way what is equalized in which way. Better to export and load the single tracks into a DAW but then one of the main points of the whole device for me is to not have to use a DAW.

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I don't understand the whole DAWless recording thing. It's 100x easier to record in a DAW and see what is actually going on than on a standalone recorder.

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6 hours ago, modey said:

I don't understand the whole DAWless recording thing. It's 100x easier to record in a DAW and see what is actually going on than on a standalone recorder.

yes, but how to tell your friends that you use computaaz?! (which usually makes music by itself).

And if yo music sucks you can always say “hey, but it’s dawless”, Iike, at least something is ‘good’.

it’s not hard to understand from a cynic’s point of view 😂 

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but, yeah... recording on a recorder then mixing it in a daw is not a dawless production, right?

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7 hours ago, modey said:

I don't understand the whole DAWless recording thing. It's 100x easier to record in a DAW and see what is actually going on than on a standalone recorder.

I don't know why but my projects get so insanely complicated that just opening a Live set and doing nothing will start my computer fans up making noise. It's mostly just MIDI tracks (which send output to hardware) and audio tracks with some effects, no virtual instruments or crazy Max4Live things.

I see the point of DAWless to avoid this sort of scenario where your project can get to a point where the "DAW" craps out. Hardware mixers and recorders have their operating limits and those may be really strict, but they are guaranteed to work perfectly within those limits. Your Space Echo pedal does not shit itself because you suddenly added a Strymon, a Moog and whatever else to the chain.

Also I think if you have a reasonable hardware setup you can get to learn it and managing the EQs and effects becomes muscle memory, instead of scrolling to the correct plugin in the DAW. It's definitely possible to build this same muscle memory with the DAW but that involves relying too much on what you see on the screen instead of listening to what comes out of the speakers. For example, for some reason I feel I get a better drum sound by messing around on the Volca Sample, instead of trying to build a drum kit in Live - might be because I am a dumbass, but also might be that the interface of the Sample is just a bunch of knobs that the designers figured out, while Live has *everything* and good luck figuring out what you actually need to do.

That said, I prefer to sequence my stuff using the laptop so that I can recreate my projects and edit and save them. I get my DAWless kicks by playing some drums every once and a while.

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Computers can’t handle DAW projects because producers are overcomplicating things.

 Techno used to be music where you’d let a 909 BD run in a 4/4 pattern and add some bleepy bloopy things on top.

Now, people build huge stacks of synths, samplers, EQs and compressors just to make a single bass drum.

 

Use a DAW the way, say, Autechre used logic in 1998 and I can assure you your laptop - or phone! - will handle it fine.

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44 minutes ago, xox said:

@thawkins ppl are producing complete albums completely on iphones

So, slow computers in 2020? What’s that?

28 minutes ago, rhmilo said:

Computers can’t handle DAW projects because producers are overcomplicating things.

 Techno used to be music where you’d let a 909 BD run in a 4/4 pattern and add some bleepy bloopy things on top.

Now, people build huge stacks of synths, samplers, EQs and compressors just to make a single bass drum.

 

Use a DAW the way, say, Autechre used logic in 1998 and I can assure you your laptop - or phone! - will handle it fine.

I accept that quite possible I suck at using my computer effectively for this, but please let's not get into a discussion like "duh you can make a complete album on a phone" or "some guys managed to use software 20y ago to make cool stuff".

Because @xox you are yourself using the Elektron machines along with a beefy desktop PC, which is not a phone, right?

And really what irks me is this: people could work well with software sequencing and DAW tools 20 fucking years ago. Why am I getting glitches trying to record 4 MIDI tracks playing back to 8 mono tracks (i.e. 4 stereo pairs)?

My beat to hell Windows XP computer from 2003 could record 8 tracks when we did an EP with our band. I am here 7-8 years later and a supposedly top of the line Macbook with a MOTU interface can't do it.

What I am saying is that going DAWless gets rid of these kinds of problems. Your 20 year old rack synth or mixer does not need a software operating system, it is what it is. Even if your gear runs firmware, that firmware does not need to run antivirus or web browsers or the million different things people use computers for.

Sorry for rambling.

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@thawkins yes, i use Elektron machines and a PC with a i7 8700k cpu, 16 gb ram. But i also use the hungriest vst synths and efx on the market (just bc i can, nothing else) and it’s not hard to make my beefy comp cry at all, which is not that beefy anymore in 2020. Also, with maxmsp just can quickly overload any cpu. But that’s usually when i go over the top; in a normal usage when using vst synths the cpu is usually at around 20-30% load. One of my laptops is a MBP from 2010 and when im working on it i need to think about the power management al the time but it’s doable. I’ve tried to produce on my iphone and it’s also doable (recording hw synths, sequencing and recording midi au synths and mixing) but I stopped bc why should I bother when i have 4 proper computes. 

which computer do you have? maybe it’s time for upgrade

 

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I don’t know if Apple have improved the MacBook but the one I had from ~2015 was an unreliable piece of shit. Windows has caught up to OS X in terms of reliability I reckon - the only advantage OS X still has in my mind is aggregate audio devices and numerology. 

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8 hours ago, thawkins said:

Why am I getting glitches trying to record 4 MIDI tracks playing back to 8 mono tracks (i.e. 4 stereo pairs)?

Because your computer is broken. Seriously.

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I have a 2016 15" MBP with 16 gigs of memory, which should be good, but you are all probably right, somethings fucky with it. I mean I get hard reboots out of the blue when unplugging my USB audio interface. 🙂

I got angry and did a test today - I hooked up all my hardware and played-recorded simultaneously from all ins - that's 8+2+2+2+2=16 channels and everything worked perfectly. Not a lot of effects but some cabinet simulation, EQs and stuff like that.

Notably absent was M4L though, I did not use any devices at all. I wonder if this can have something to do with it.

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20 hours ago, modey said:

I don't understand the whole DAWless recording thing. It's 100x easier to record in a DAW and see what is actually going on than on a standalone recorder.

The thing is that I only use hardware for making music. It's way more comfortable, reliable and immediate for me then to use a  standalone recorder. Nothing beats having found the right groove for a jam to just hit the record button and go instead of booting the laptop, booting reaper, arming the tracks etc.

Like most people today I live a life where my face is in front of a screen 80% of the time and just enjoy getting away from it for a while.

If I'd do a lot of post-editing I'd stick to recording into DAW but that isn't the case. I've been DAWless since long before that word even existed. Started originally on a DAW (fruity loops and later renoise) in the early 2000's but could never find real enjoyment in using it. 2008 I got my first roland vs-880 and never felt a reason to go back to a pc.

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Fair enough. If it's what you're used to then I guess it's not an issue. I just see people throwing around the term DAWless like it's some kind of trophy or standard to aim for. Like beginners aren't going to feel like they're making legit music unless a DAW isn't involved. I remember a similar attitude in the early 00s when software like FL was starting to appear. 

My setup: everything runs through my interface and the only way I can even hear anything is if I've got a DAW open and armed to record. My computer is on all the time, and Reaper is only a click away with a default template at startup that has everything armed. Even if I've been working at my computer all day it's one click before I can just turn away to my gear and forget it's even there. I've also got my R16 set up so that transport and mixing on the device controls Reaper, so I use that a lot for levels etc. 

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I dunno about the hipster appeal of DAWless but there's something to be said about switching up your workflow. Horizontal transports and piano rolls don't do much for me anymore, so I pretty much just use my DAW as a recorder.

I'm selling my Matrix 1000 for that reason, I love it to death but it doesn't fit into my external sequencing workflow. Dragging up a software editor all the time just to adjust one parameter gets bothersome. It was a really nice acquaintance, but I need a poly module with knobs and a minimum of menu diving. I wasn't quite wowed by Novation's Peak but it's starting to gain my interest due to the terrific interface, probably the best out there. Other candidates are Deepmind and Perfourmer. The Perfourmer is probably the coolest but it's not really versatile, a quality that's growing more important than sick oscillators & filters or whatever. 

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I try to do as much as possible without the DAW, but 90% of the time I end up popping open Reaper at the very least to dump tracks into to edit. Occasionally I'll hook everything up to my interface and record everything to separate tracks. That ends up feeling like a chore to me, but that's largely because I have done pretty close to jack shit on studio ergonomics - I almost always roll with 2-3 pieces of gear at a time and constantly swap things in and out. I think I'd like to move more in that "proper studio" direction.

Anyway, Reaper has given me pretty close to 0 problems. I don't think of myself as a DAW guy but I use Reaper regularly and I don't mind it one bit. It doesn't get in the way.

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22 hours ago, modey said:

I don't understand the whole DAWless recording thing. It's 100x easier to record in a DAW and see what is actually going on than on a standalone recorder.

Its not as much about recording as it is having to set up a computer to use hardware; i'll most likely end up recording straight into Cubase rather than the SD card but i hate having to lug my laptop and set it up every time i want to play around. My set up is on a small desk that wheels in and out of a wardrobe; i can see if i had a dedicated space that was already set up each time that soundcard/laptop setup might be more efficient.

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8 hours ago, thawkins said:

I mean I get hard reboots out of the blue when unplugging my USB audio interface. 🙂

 

Your computer is broken. Seriously.

Or, more likely, your USB audio interface.

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1 hour ago, rhmilo said:

Your computer is broken. Seriously.

Or, more likely, your USB audio interface.

I did a sort of test by hooking everything up to my old computer, even installed Live Suite 10 on that and encountered no problems, so probably something to do with the computer, yeah.

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21 hours ago, modey said:

Fair enough. If it's what you're used to then I guess it's not an issue. I just see people throwing around the term DAWless like it's some kind of trophy or standard to aim for. Like beginners aren't going to feel like they're making legit music unless a DAW isn't involved. I remember a similar attitude in the early 00s when software like FL was starting to appear. 

My setup: everything runs through my interface and the only way I can even hear anything is if I've got a DAW open and armed to record. My computer is on all the time, and Reaper is only a click away with a default template at startup that has everything armed. Even if I've been working at my computer all day it's one click before I can just turn away to my gear and forget it's even there. I've also got my R16 set up so that transport and mixing on the device controls Reaper, so I use that a lot for levels etc. 

I completely agree on the hipster value being somewhat ridiculous. Great music has been made on computers just as without any DAW. And yes I remember too the days that FL was seen as some kind of kids software that you can't make serious music with, which is obviously utter nonsense and is a good analogy to frowning on people who use laptops today.

The way you describe your setup it sounds like little hassle and very close to using the r16 standalone. I guess what attracts me about using it that way is a stronger sense of being "closer to the music" when recording, re-recording and hearing the result without looking at something. Plus an extra sense of reliability (no crashes, no accidental falling into standby etc.) and less distraction. Anyway I'm aware that it is a first world problem if I can call it a problem to have to record in a DAW. So that Tascam model 12 might just wait a little longer before I need it with which we're back on topic 😄

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I just got an email saying that I'm finally at the top of the Pulsar-23 waitlist. Can't afford it though 😞

It did push me to finally sell the rest of my eurorack though. I just can't be bothered with euro at the moment. It was fun for a while, but constant struggles with integrating it with non-eurorack setups were endlessly frustrating. As much as I tried to tell myself that a tiny, mostly effects based modular setup would work, it really didn't work for me. 

 

Anyway, in other news, my M8 arrived on Sunday! Sounds amazing. 

 

Can't wait until I'm comfortable enough with it to make some full tracks. 

Seems like the Nanoloop device isn't far off either. With these two I don't think I'm gonna miss eurorack. Especially since M8 has Braids and similar wavefolding options to Warps built in. 

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