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Basically my understanding is that even though the USB-C standard finally makes it possible to plug the thing in both ways, IT DOES NOT WORK if it is plugged the wrong way. At least not for any USB2.0 things that are chained further on.

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Won a Polyend Tracker in a contest today.  Very excited!

Finally snatched one of these bad boys!   

3 hours of pattern building that I streamed a few hours ago.. I knew this thing was versatile but damn, I really discovered tons of tricks today.

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the delays on superberry, specifically delay B, is my new favorite effect. it's a very uncanny sound that i've heard in lots of early 2000s electronica and i'm wondering if any of the heads can shed some light on that type of smudged delay and some possible options in the dsp realm. it's kind of like a shimmery sound also, but you can't achieve it using a reverb with the lows cut out of the diffusion network. i'm stumped. usually i'm good at replicating effects with stock ableton plugin combinations.

i attached a file that has the sound in it.what is this reverb delay sound.mp3

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6 minutes ago, sheatheman said:

the delays on superberry, specifically delay B, is my new favorite effect. it's a very uncanny sound that i've heard in lots of early 2000s electronica and i'm wondering if any of the heads can shed some light on that type of smudged delay and some possible options in the dsp realm. it's kind of like a shimmery sound also, but you can't achieve it using a reverb with the lows cut out of the diffusion network. i'm stumped. usually i'm good at replicating effects with stock ableton plugin combinations.

i attached a file that has the sound in it.

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Reverbs tend to be assembled from networks of all-pass and comb filters, with feedforward and feedback respectively. The former can create that smudging effect. You can experiment with rolling your own using M4L (or PD or SC, etc.) It's not super difficult to create hybrids of reverb and delay, though I haven't played with it in a while.

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24 minutes ago, e-mertz said:

I wanna get a new simple yet multi-timbral polysynth. Something lush & digital sounding. Has to be knobby/slidery. And not be above 500 Eur. Anyone has ideas?

Modal Argon8 

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ah, must’ve glossed over that ask. not sure there’s any multi-timbral options in your price range, at least not new ones (other than software)? maybe some older used workstations or something. curious to hear what others come up with that fit that bill

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1 hour ago, e-mertz said:

I wanna get a new simple yet multi-timbral polysynth. Something lush & digital sounding. Has to be knobby/slidery. And not be above 500 Eur. Anyone has ideas?

Waldorf Blofeld 

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16 minutes ago, chim said:

Waldorf Blofeld

Not all that knobby. Nice to use (if the knobs work, which is not a given).

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Well it'll be hard to find a knob-per-function synth that satisfies the requirements, even for crusty 90's digitals. JP-8000? Korg Z1? Maybe you can score a deal on an early Nord Lead?

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1 minute ago, rhmilo said:

Not all that knobby. Nice to use (if the knobs work, which is not a given).

What I thought

 

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Well it'll be hard to find a knob-per-function synth that satisfies the requirements, even for crusty 90's digitals. JP-8000? Korg Z1? Maybe you can score a deal on an early Nord Lead?

Yeah, Nord lead is on the candidate list. Already decided that I'm gonna look at a second hand Virus. Had a nord lead 2 back in the days and hated it. But it was my 2nd synth ever and I think I had very little idea what you could really get out of it.

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3 hours ago, e-mertz said:

I wanna get a new simple yet multi-timbral polysynth. Something lush & digital sounding. Has to be knobby/slidery. And not be above 500 Eur. Anyone has ideas?

Korg MS2000?

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10 minutes ago, thawkins said:

Korg MS2000?

I want !multi-timbral!

though I appreciate the tip and think it's a sweet synth

edit: ok realized the ms-2000 is bi-timbral. Would rather have 4 parts tho :))

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https://reverb.com/item/28846165-redsound-dark-star-xp2

 

Haven't used one but I've had a Redsound elevata since 2012 and the rumors of it being bad are highly exaggerated (as long as you get the last firmware version, which isn't so easy - I had to pay the old Redsound chief engineer $70 for a copy of the BIN file and burn my own EPROM, and he was pretty cagey about it)  The DarkStar is supposed to be a lot less buggy, it just never caught on and then the botched Elevata release just about ended the company and put them out of synths completely.  I think they still technically exist and sell/license beat counters.

 

Anyway, a DarkStar is something to consider if you want knobby, digital sounding (VA in this case) and under $500.  You can get the original version for about half what an XP2 costs but I think the build quality wasn't as good or something. All the RedSound stuff is getting harder to find but i don't know if the price or demand has gone up at all.

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Here's one under $300 (but shipping would be steep):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Red-Sound-Dark-Star-XP2-Analog-Synthesizer/153952276902

 

Unlike the Elevata, Dark Star updates are easy, tons of people selling EPROMs for not much money.

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My take: multitimbral is a pain in the ass and not worth it. This is what DAWs are good at. If you absolutely need this, get a groovebox - MPC, Elektron, maybe one of those Rolands that came out this year. Textural precision is at odds with the convenience of having everything in one place. But if you want this for live performance, get something nice like the aforementioned Argon8 plus a sampler/sequencer (Octatrack, MPC, Digitakt, SP404, etc.)

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2 hours ago, e-mertz said:

I want !multi-timbral!

though I appreciate the tip and think it's a sweet synth

edit: ok realized the ms-2000 is bi-timbral. Would rather have 4 parts tho :))

Roland SH-32 will do 3 and a drum track. Those synths are fun as shit too. 

edit:  And a ton of oscillator types (the oscillators are PCM-based), including spectral

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I like multitimbral, but how useful it is depends a lot on what your workflow/sequencer is.

 

Great for layering, too.

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Don't forget JV modules, D50, ROMplers etc, lots of multitimbral stuff out there if you can handle no knobs or standard synthesis. You could hook up a decent low-cost controller to your computer and MIDI learn it to a homebrewed CTRLR app for whatever device you end up with. There are cheap enough modules and midi controllers out there for this to run under €500. Go full ham with a K1m, Proteus or 05r/W.

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5 hours ago, sweepstakes said:

My take: multitimbral is a pain in the ass and not worth it. 

Yeah was gonna say this. Unless it has sequencing built in (like the Elektrons) I find it to be really hard to keep track of. It's not so bad on a rompler or when using presets, but switching between channels and tweaking the individual sounds on a knob per function synth like the Nord Lead is a bit painful. 

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10 hours ago, e-mertz said:

I want !multi-timbral!

though I appreciate the tip and think it's a sweet synth

edit: ok realized the ms-2000 is bi-timbral. Would rather have 4 parts tho :))

So I have two multitimbral synths: Roland XV-5080 rack module and a Korg MicroX. They are not knobby and since both are digital romplers, that are really really deep in terms of architecture and parameters, but due to that it's basically impossible to have a one-size-fits-all set of knobs that will be useful. I use them more as expressive preset sound sources (with some filter and release modulation) rather than going deep into sound design and architecture (I use the MS2000R for that).

I think if you want a synth where you can have 4 parts (or more), and it has a knobby and immediate interface, and $500, then I would buy a MIDI control surface and map it to with some VSTs. Or just have a collection of separate synths.

My experience is that it's quite a headache to get a comfortable workflow with a multitimbral synth, mainly for two reasons:

  • if the hardware has just one stereo out, you have to juggle muting different sounds and you can't easily have a dedicated track for each part. It's an interesting limitation to work on a single stereo pair so that you build a whole track with no DAW effects or EQ until you get it finished and then it is somehow way more easier to mix it.
  • the are only a limited amount of parameters that you can change over MIDI - for anything deeper you need a librarian/editor VST that does sysex. I have 0 experience with that last part but the official editors for MicroX and XV5080 don't work on my laptop natively and I don't think there is a good 3rd party replacement.
    Due to this, saving any automation or knob fuckery you do into the project so that you can open it later for editing and mixing, is a huge pain. I use some M4L MIDI CC device for managing some basic parameters but I do no deeper sound design than that.

That said, I have been enjoying working with the synths I have, and even though I can't really do any really deep sound design, it's nice to have all those good-sounding presets to play around with.

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New preen FM 3 is very tempting, the separate outputs for the 6 parts, built in seq and various type of filters would make this a great FM drum machine !

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6 hours ago, thawkins said:

My experience is that it's quite a headache to get a comfortable workflow with a multitimbral synth, mainly for two reasons:

  • if the hardware has just one stereo out, you have to juggle muting different sounds and you can't easily have a dedicated track for each part. It's an interesting limitation to work on a single stereo pair so that you build a whole track with no DAW effects or EQ until you get it finished and then it is somehow way more easier to mix it.
  • the are only a limited amount of parameters that you can change over MIDI - for anything deeper you need a librarian/editor VST that does sysex. I have 0 experience with that last part but the official editors for MicroX and XV5080 don't work on my laptop natively and I don't think there is a good 3rd party replacement.
    Due to this, saving any automation or knob fuckery you do into the project so that you can open it later for editing and mixing, is a huge pain. I use some M4L MIDI CC device for managing some basic parameters but I do no deeper sound design than that.

Yep. I like the challenge of squashing to stereo, but you'll generally end up with a cartoonish, unbalanced mix. Even where the Monomachine provides a handy 1-band EQ, this is a bit of a riddle. And frankly even with an audio interface that can handle it, I can't be arsed dealing with more than about 4 outputs at a time.

I used to think software librarians were great for "unlocking" these parameters. But for me they're an existential crisis waiting to happen, i.e. "why am I using hardware again?"

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22 minutes ago, d-a-m-o said:

New preen FM 3 is very tempting, the separate outputs for the 6 parts, built in seq and various type of filters would make this a great FM drum machine !

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ooooooooooooooh thanks! Preenfm2 was on my list but it might be too complex with it's 6 operators 28 (?) algorithms operated from a small led-screen. This looks like a step up!

15 hours ago, sweepstakes said:

My take: multitimbral is a pain in the ass and not worth it. This is what DAWs are good at. If you absolutely need this, get a groovebox - MPC, Elektron, maybe one of those Rolands that came out this year. Textural precision is at odds with the convenience of having everything in one place. But if you want this for live performance, get something nice like the aforementioned Argon8 plus a sampler/sequencer (Octatrack, MPC, Digitakt, SP404, etc.)

9 hours ago, modey said:

Yeah was gonna say this. Unless it has sequencing built in (like the Elektrons) I find it to be really hard to keep track of. It's not so bad on a rompler or when using presets, but switching between channels and tweaking the individual sounds on a knob per function synth like the Nord Lead is a bit painful. 

I think it all depends on how you use it in which workflow. I'm not expressing that wish from assumption. I have a Zynthian, which is a great sounding multi-timbral synth but there are just a lot of things you can't edit for the plugins I use, including enevelopes. Hence I'm looking for a replacement.

For the workflow I have, combining an Alesis mmt-8 and an Arturia Keystep, a multi-timbral synth is great. It's like having a tape recorder for midi and switching a channel on the keystep is done super-easy. I don't have to get into a new interface constantly with different functionalities and oddities of a different synth. It's all physically centered in one device.

Last but not least the synthesizer interface itself is also an important factor. The synths that handle it best, like the digitone or the nord lead 3 with encoders and very clear display of what's going on are for the moment not in my price range.

Here's a track I made only on the Zynthian using an MMT8 and keystep to record. Great to have one synth do all that.

Oh and Pametex' tracks where all made with only a nord lead 1, 808 and an MMT8 :))

@TubularCorporation@Taupe Beats@chim thanks for your recommendations

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