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59 minutes ago, modey said:

I'm getting them daily on the new PC, even after a reinstall of the OS. Something's definitely wrong with it. 

Even without the blue screens, I can't live with the way audio works in Windows. I've been spoiled by aggregate devices and native low latency in macOS. 

I've never noticed a big difference myself.  I'm using a computer from about 2010 and I can get 

 

I've never messed with aggregate devices because of the potential for clock issues but it's absolutely doable in Windows, with Jack or probably other systems.  I just used the money I saved by being able to replace my motherboard and both CPUs with significantly higher performance versions for about $175 instead of buying a whole new computer to get a bigger interface.

 

Anyway, Windows sucks too.  And the underlying hardware is the same, it's just that Macs are engineered to make repairs and upgrades a lot harder whereas PCs are (usually) designed to make it easy to upgrade just about everything and plunge yourself into a bottomless pit of device incompatibility. Horses for courses.

 

If you haven't sent the PC back yet, have you installed any cards or RAM in it?  If so, try reseating them.  The last time I had computer trouble (not counting the keys on laptop keyboards wearing out) was random freezes that I eventually tracked town to the video card getting nudged just a little bit when I installed a capture card next to it.  That tiny bit of sideways pressure was enough that it would unpredictably (probably something thermal) stop responding until I rebooted.  I thought it was the system freezing but it was probably just the video card freezing up and displaying a still of whatever was in the frame buffer even as the computer itself kept running fine.

 

In college my computer completely stopped booting after I installed a CD burner and it turned out to be a slightly loose connection between the audio output on the burner and the audio input header on my sound card (this was in like 2000 when you still had to physically connect the drive to the sound card for CD audio playback).  Couldn't even get BIOS to run until I reseated the cable.

 

 

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2 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

it's absolutely doable in Windows, with Jack or probably other systems

I tried with Voicemeeter but had to run everything through it, including the internally generated audio, which resulted in latency from things like websites, which is a big nope for me, because I'm working on my browser based stuff and any latency keeps making me think there's something wrong with my code.

2 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

And the underlying hardware is the same

Not anymore with the M1 architecture. I get what you're talking about but some things are just deal breakers for me, and I didn't realise until I tried to switch.

2 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

bigger interface

Doesn't help if I want to plug multiple multi-track USB audio devices in at once that don't have individual analog outs.

2 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

If you haven't sent the PC back yet, have you installed any cards or RAM in it?

Haven't touched it. It's stock. I did open it not long after I got it to try disconnecting the garish front panel light, but reconnected it again because it somehow removed all lighting options from the software. It worked fine until only recently though.

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32 minutes ago, modey said:

I tried with Voicemeeter but had to run everything through it, including the internally generated audio, which resulted in latency from things like websites, which is a big nope for me, because I'm working on my browser based stuff and any latency keeps making me think there's something wrong with my code.

 

32 minutes ago, modey said:

Doesn't help if I want to plug multiple multi-track USB audio devices in at once that don't have individual analog outs.

These are why you use Jack (on MacOS, also)

 

Anyway, it sounds like we have different needs. i need something with a long lifespan that can be repaired, customized and upgraded easily with good backward compatibility, and Macs don't offer any of that in my experience. last time I tried to repair a Mac even a motherboard from the same model wasn't compatible unless it was manufactured in the same quarter! I'm mixing hardware and software that spans about a 20 year period with hardly any issues (my previous interface had too much latency - over 10ms - because the driver hadn't been updated since 2010 - the new interface has 4x the track count but only about 60% of the latency at a given buffer length - and it can run reliably at half the buffer length of the old one, so it's all but imperceptible).

 

I've heard some software runs a lot better on MacOS.

I've got no love for Windows but I rely on too much Windows-only plugins and programs to make the jump to Linux.

I forgot about M1. I've had good experiences with ARM so far, although I've mainly been using things like Raspberry Pi, so I imagine M1 is probably pretty decent.

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6 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

i need something with a long lifespan that can be repaired, customized and upgraded easily with good backward compatibility, and Macs don't offer any of that in my experience.

Yeah, this was what I wanted when I bought the PC. Sadly it also comes with a whole lot of fucking around in order to get things to work reliably; I lost a lot of time last week trying to diagnose my PC's problems—time I should have been spending on my uni work.

I know it can be done, since I have friends who use Windows professionally for video editing, audio, etc., but I just don't have the patience anymore. I thought Windows could have got to the point where it was relatively transparent but it doesn't seem to be there yet.

Also, little aesthetic/design nerd things like the UI font and being able to press option+shift+minus for an em dash instead of having to remember a code ended up being more important than I expected 😛 

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EDIT: feel free to ignore all of this, I pounded a big cup of coffee right before I started typing.

 

 

8 hours ago, modey said:

Sadly it also comes with a whole lot of fucking around in order to get things to work reliably; I lost a lot of time last week trying to diagnose my PC's problems—time I should have been spending on my uni work.

That's too bad.  I haven't experienced much like that since the Windows Vista days. The only issue I've had recently was when I finally updated from Windows 7 to 10 this spring, I started to have a network conflict between Touchportal and ReaStream (Reaper's native audio-over-LAN plugin) so it partially broke the audio connection between my main computer and the old Dell I use for livestream encoding (Touchportal andReStream both still worked, but I couldn't use them at the same time anymore), but there was a really old free audio-over-LAN plugin that works fine. 

 

Not all PCs are created equal though (and price isn't neessarily a good indicator of quality).  I settled on using secondhand commercial Dells about 15 years ago because they're plentiful, dirt cheap and easy to repair (even if they aren't the most upgradeable because the cases are designed to only work with a specific series of Dell motherboards, so you can't do a full system rebuild easily, but any given system's upgrade path is really easy).  Consumer Dells are garbage but a cheap, previous-gen Optiplex or Poweredge is usually great.  I've got a couple Optiplexes from the early 2000s that are still working fine and are still useful (and were free) for stuff like reading/writing sampler floppies.  Theoretically I could update them to Windows 10 but I've never bothered.  Other major manufacturers have their equivalent lines (I've heard good things about the HP counterpart to the Optiplex), it just happened that the local university uses Dell so there was a constant stream of free Dells when I lived near it. The server I use for all my audio production goes for about $200 in eBay right now for one with the last motherboard revision and the fastest CPUs (dual 2.5gHz hex core Xeons - not cutting edge but still pretty good a decade later), all six hard drive trays, at least when I was considering replacing mine instead of upgrading the motherboard (a whole new computer would be a little cheaper than the used motherboard and CPUs before you factored in the cost of shipping a rack server; either way it only cost slightly more than a Volca Beats).

 

Some day I'll need to get a whole new system but at that point hopefully the prices will have settled down and I can build one.  The upgrade last spring bought me at least 2-3 more years (and it will be a really good second computer for a lot longer than that).

 

What version of Windows did you use?  In my experience, XP was great for audio and MIDI, Vista was garbage, 7 was even better than XP for audio but garbage for MIDI, and 10 is better than 7 for audio but also or the first time ever the MIDI jitter on clock coming from a DAW via USB is as low as clock from the Octatrack. Point being, if you got Windows 11 they may have broken everything again.

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7 hours ago, TubularCorporation said:

What version of Windows did you use?

Win10 with absolute latest updates for everything. 

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Huh, weird.  Sounds like the 2011 Windows experience more than the 2021 Windows experience. 

 

Anyway, I stand by my original statement.  All computers suck, it's jsut down to whether you're OK with the way your specific computer sucks.

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lol I just chatted to tech support, apparently it's a known issue and the solution is to roll back the nvidia driver to a version that is known to work with the computer. I'll give it a try; still not switching to Windows for audio. It'll go in the loungeroom for gaming. Or I'll sell it or something. 

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4 hours ago, modey said:

lol I just chatted to tech support, apparently it's a known issue and the solution is to roll back the nvidia driver to a version that is known to work with the computer. I'll give it a try; still not switching to Windows for audio. It'll go in the loungeroom for gaming. Or I'll sell it or something. 

Not a surprise that some cutting edge gamer shit is a source of problems and incompatibilities. 🙂

Another goal for the Mac camp. No games there!

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Never owned an amp, borrowed my brother-in-law's (an acoustic guitar amp) to zen out with my 606, loved having the larger sound, he needed it back, and now I want my own.  I know little about audio quality, and obviously doing nothing extraordinary here.  What's cheap but serviceable?  Noob q, I know...

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I've had my eye on the Roland Cube range for a while, was going to get one for busking but that's not likely to be a possibility any time soon. 

I think they're full-range amps as well, so will work well with non-guitar signals. 

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Roland cube is decent. Love sending things into an amp, especially if it has effects. Just gives a sound something different (not always good!)

Recorded this onto a cheap field recorder via an amp, was after a Raime vibe > https://midievil-records.bandcamp.com/track/the-gloom-i (track is Rytm only in case anyone's interested). 

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^sounds pretty nice there! the ‘menu’ stuff seems pretty twitchy, even he fucked up once or twice, and he designed the goddamned thing lol…but i can’t imagine that’s something you’re doing a hell of a lot…possibly worth it at that price point imo. plus it looks pretty cute and hands-on for most of the sound design. i like it.

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what did they do? also i think it has changed hands again? i think it was run by some australians for a little while and was not doing well and now is run by some guy in the NE US who has run a synth shop for a while and is reputable. im not sure, nor do i have strong opinions either way.

also this is tiptop audio in collaboration with them, who i think is also pretty respected. im not a huge modular head (software ftw in this regard) so i dont know

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Yeah it was the Australians. They didn't pay him for his work during the last few years of his life and after he died they refused to pay hospice, etc. bills to his mourning family, which led to an ugly legal battle which I don't think has been completely resolved. I don't have the complete story but it's ugly.

Tiptop does seem legit, though, and if it's being owned/controlled by reputable folks now, well, that's great news.

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