LimpyLoo Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Like, if America gov't is alleged to have done something bad: can you picture the Greenwald crew being like "well hold on now, let's wait 'til all the evidence is in"...? Or would it be more like "lol not surprised"...? Okay, now let's replace "American gov't" with "Russian gov't" Say Russia is alleged to have done something bad: which of those two (types of) responses do you see virtually 100% of the time from them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I mean, American journos are also a lot more likely to have reliable sources in/on/about the American government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I mean, American journos are also a lot more likely to have reliable sources in/on/about the American government. also, being american they likely 'know' their country better than russia so are more likely to have some cynicism embedded.. which probably does mean some bias but splitting hairs and getting into psychology here or something. a russian guy i know is a recent immigrant to america.. though now moved to japan and he said they all knew/know putin is a shady fucker long before he essentially became president for life and they knew he was enriching himself and his friends but they were indifferent until the economy got shitty and life in general became unstable there for a time.. so they started paying more attention and letting less slide but now it seems more indifference is prevalent and there are younger people who are getting more nationalistic and thinking trump is a great guy because he 'wants goo relations with russia" and obama is a bad guy because he "talks tough about sanctions" etc. i'm split on 'the intercept' and greenwald and friends over there.. though i think jeremy scahill is pretty awesome. his "Dirty wars" documentary is pretty amazing. i assume the book is as well. if you haven't seen the doc it's worth a watch. he reported on some stuff that just sounded unreal and no way the USA army was guilty of.. until he went an interviewed the villagers and then the army confessed and admitted what they'd done... anyway.. i think it's good they're in the conversation and publishing things but should be treated with scrutiny like the NY Times or Washington post etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I mean, American journos are also a lot more likely to have reliable sources in/on/about the American government. Yeah totally For instance, when both JE and his sister were espousing 9/11 Trutherism They simply had information we didn't (Nevermind that they both quietly backpedalled, and now JE claims he was merely skeptical of the official story) I don't know why folks wanna rationalize this It's okay to admit people we like aren't perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I mean, American journos are also a lot more likely to have reliable sources in/on/about the American government.Yeah totallyFor instance, when both JE and his sister were espousing 9/11 Trutherism They simply had information we didn't (Nevermind that they both quietly backpedalled, and now JE claims he was merely skeptical of the official story) I don't know why folks wanna rationalize this It's okay to admit people we like aren't perfect 1. I was talking about greenwald and co., not the Martins. 2. I'm not rationalizing anything. If a journalist's area of expertise is the US, I don't particularly want him/her opining on Russia. That's what Russian journalists(rip)/Russia experts are for. 3. Acknowledging a journalist's shortcomings/limitations are part of the reason I don't want them overreaching. Like, I'm a big fan of scahill, but his patch is US national security, not the FSB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I mean, American journos are also a lot more likely to have reliable sources in/on/about the American government. also, being american they likely 'know' their country better than russia so are more likely to have some cynicism embedded.. which probably does mean some bias but splitting hairs and getting into psychology here or something. a russian guy i know is a recent immigrant to america.. though now moved to japan and he said they all knew/know putin is a shady fucker long before he essentially became president for life and they knew he was enriching himself and his friends but they were indifferent until the economy got shitty and life in general became unstable there for a time.. so they started paying more attention and letting less slide but now it seems more indifference is prevalent and there are younger people who are getting more nationalistic and thinking trump is a great guy because he 'wants goo relations with russia" and obama is a bad guy because he "talks tough about sanctions" etc. i'm split on 'the intercept' and greenwald and friends over there.. though i think jeremy scahill is pretty awesome. his "Dirty wars" documentary is pretty amazing. i assume the book is as well. if you haven't seen the doc it's worth a watch. he reported on some stuff that just sounded unreal and no way the USA army was guilty of.. until he went an interviewed the villagers and then the army confessed and admitted what they'd done... anyway.. i think it's good they're in the conversation and publishing things but should be treated with scrutiny like the NY Times or Washington post etc.. I think this bias comes from a genuinely good place I think Greenwald is a sold journalist all things considered And those folks are especially keen to avoid 'Iraq has WMDs' pt 2: electric boogaloo And general US gov't evil (And rightly fucking so) But if you push that skepticism pedal to the metal You get some weird results (For example, you get journalists always giving the benefit of the doubt to a dude who regularly kills journalists) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 ^^^ agreed. what's that saying.. went so far in one direction.. came out the other side. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 @Doublename - sorry, my reply to you was really pissy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 All is forgiven, beloved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 merry christmas https://twitter.com/Deplorable4L/status/813395122041790464 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 FullyAwake12/4/16 @Deplorable4L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 merry christmas https://twitter.com/Deplorable4L/status/813395122041790464 That poor woman with her jaw agape so naive to the PizzaGate-esque realities (e.g. PizzaGate) of this world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 merry christmas https://twitter.com/Deplorable4L/status/813395122041790464 That poor woman with her jaw agapeso naive to the PizzaGate-esque realities (e.g. PizzaGate) of this world when the weirdos turn crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Reggae Lee Bowyer Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I think this bias comes from a genuinely good placeI think Greenwald is a sold journalist all things considered And those folks are especially keen to avoid 'Iraq has WMDs' pt 2: electric boogaloo And general US gov't evil (And rightly fucking so) But if you push that skepticism pedal to the metal You get some weird results (For example, you get journalists always giving the benefit of the doubt to a dude who regularly kills journalists) lyrical gangster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audioblysk Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Oh my god that video is amazing. I love it. So woke. Much confrontation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juiceciuj Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 voat and sli.mg both were down shortly after this aired conspiracies!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Most of the Podesta emails don't make sense because they were generated by Wikileaks using a shitty machine learning program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Jesus fuck - "why has no one investigated?" is his big investigative query? Maybe because law enforcement agencies don't willingly give up information about investigations? FOIA that shit if you really want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 And he said that seconds after mentioning someone was actually sentenced...(dennis hestert) so there was no investigation... hmmmm yeah not so sure about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhythmcomplex Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 That video is like a YouTube video on the news. Pointing at thing and then pointing at a different thing saying 'think about it' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Journalism 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I guess people will just have to start molesting kids in Chinese restaurants to throw off the trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 he will not divide us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 is kinda creepy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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