Hugh Mughnus Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 189K USD = 252K CAD so not far off (from the 271K in the article for family physicians). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) So are you saying doctors shouldn’t make $180k a year?that's some 8th debate Ben Shapiro "wHy nOt rAiSe tHe mIniMUm wAge to $100/hr !?" horseshit no one is fucking saying that or even implying it the TLDR everyone is saying is that the US system is literally the worst of both private and public healthcare, an underfunded and constricted public system and a lobbyist-driven corporate hell that is the insurance industry. the private insurance industry literally gets to divert public tax revenue into a system they control, and then push the costs back onto the public. we literally pay the highest taxes with the most pathetic and meager benefits issued. in my situation my wife has kept her job because my insurance premiums would amount to over 25% of my entire income just to legally have my family insured. that's just for the minimum. that's after my employer is already contributing a substantial part of the premium. I can't even go to specialists without shelling out $50-75 a visit. there's no room for compromise or gradual improvement if the system is already so fucked, so bring on single-payer I like you a lot sheathe but even I'm getting exhausted reading your posts on this subject I really get the impression that no one is actually reading my posts. I’m in the same boat as you. Pay ridiculous amounts of money on health insurance. I think everyone actually agrees with me about the root causes of why the USA has terrible health care/insurance. Mostly greed/privatization The only difference is I don’t agree that it can be fixed so simply, and I definitely don’t believe that there are some magical set of politicians that really care and are smart enough to make impactful policy. I just don’t believe in utopia, certainly not for America. But my MAIN point there was, don’t you think there is a problem in believing health care should not be for profit, but also saying doctors can still make $300k a year? The entire system is based around the idea that people will pay anything to save their or a loved one’s life. Based on the idea that human life is worth any cost. So medication can cost $3k a month no problem. So health insurance can cost $1200 a month. So you can pay the hospital pediatrician $1700 to walk in and ask you 3 questions and check boxes off a form. My original post about the healthcare system was about how every single aspect of it is working against us, both private and public institutions, all trying to get a piece of the pie. And I’m worried about the next generation of doctors. I’m worried that even half altruism is dying away. I don’t see how my views are so infuriating or offensive... Edited April 16, 2019 by sheathe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) But, I would be 100% for single payer if I didn’t have to pay more than I already freaking do. Might as well try it out. Edited April 16, 2019 by sheathe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Where are doctors making that little? https://globalnews.ca/news/2898641/how-much-is-your-doctor-making-what-you-need-to-know-about-canadas-physician-workforce/ USA buddy. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2012/07/20/the-best-and-worst-paying-jobs-for-doctors-2/amp/ Also the link you posted is in CA dollars? So you’re saying doctors make more in a socialist system? Note that the issue here is the profit of the labour goes to capital in the US system, but goes to the actual labourers in Canada. So no issue in doctors making that much here. Note the point I’ve been making: in America, you spend more for worse health outcomes. Also, when Bernie brought up Medicare for all on that fox townhall, he got a loud cheer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I’m ready, let’s do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) Did anyone catch Bernie’s town hall on Fox? yeah. good watch. Edited April 17, 2019 by very honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Dems just can't handle Bernie's popularity...smeared from all sides He got balls for sure...Fox town hall, released tax returns...over 70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 The deck seems to be stacking in his favor. That can only be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 But, I would be 100% for single payer if I didn’t have to pay more than I already freaking do. Might as well try it out. This is complete rubbish, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) lol, it's literally the first image result when you google "single payer healthcare" it's just funny is all. i hope we can have single payer and everyone is happy. i don't need much medical care. i never go to the doctor. i just try to take care of myself, eat right, etc. Edited April 17, 2019 by sheathe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) oh, now this is why people like single payer Edited April 17, 2019 by sheathe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 lol, it's literally the first image result when you google "single payer healthcare" it's just funny is all. i hope we can have single payer and everyone is happy. i don't need much medical care. i never go to the doctor. i just try to take care of myself, eat right, etc. first you start out crying about how you think no-one reads your posts. and now you're basically just trolling. dude, wtf. what is your problem? please don't reply because you're already on my troll list. no reason to take anything you post seriously. good luck with your bs arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 But, I would be 100% for single payer if I didn’t have to pay more than I already freaking do. Might as well try it out. Good troll. Look at who produced the poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I know, it’s too good. And no wonder it’s the first search result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 How do you think they got the first search result? You think they paid google off? Or did tons and tons of SEO work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Probably a bit of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 For all google’s posturing, I think they are secretly anarchist accelerationists. The way they encourage polarizing YouTube content, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Dems just can't handle Bernie's popularity...smeared from all sides He got balls for sure...Fox town hall, released tax returns...over 70 I think the problem is the Dems are still fixed on this notion that a moderate Dem can bring in moderate and independent voters. In hindsight we know that's no longer the case. The GOP abandoned the same strategy after the failures of McCain and Romney. The votes that would be picked up from the Dem base running Sanders over say, Biden or HRC, would be far greater than the chance of bringing in mods, independents, etc. Hell a moderate Democrat could easily lose a lot of votes. I think people truly horrified by Trump will vote for any Democrat. 2018 midterms saw very red states upsetting GOP incumbents, especially at local and state levels. The biggest war-chest the Dems have is the 50% of people who simply don't vote and think the whole system is fucked. They need to be brought in, not continuously ignored, otherwise they'll say "fuck it" and vote for the reality tv star again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I would vote for Bernie but I’d rather vote for Yang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 All those tech bro CEOs think they have the right to perform these little experiments on the public in a manifest destiny sort of way. They should all be drawn and quartered tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Its out. Searchable version - https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-mueller-report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colunga Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 lovely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 CNN's gonna have a hard on for days... Lol @ - "This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked.” - May 17, 2017 Yet here we are 2 years later and don don keeps steamrolling ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 so, this is big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whosebrian Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The Mueller report is a sometimes gripping account of a presidency consumed by a sprawling investigation, and of a president seized by paranoia about what it might unearth. Immediately after learning that a special counsel had been appointed to lead the Russia investigation, the report said, Mr. Trump became distraught and slumped in his chair. “Oh, my God. This is terrible,” he said. “This is the end of my presidency. I’m fucked.” https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-russian-interference-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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