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On 1/7/2021 at 4:43 PM, Rubin Farr said:

I’d say she was a human being, and deserves some dignity in death, even if she was misled, ill, uneducated, whatever, it’s not our place to assume. 3 others died at the riot today from “medical emergencies” RIP. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

enough of this pissweak white apologism, at long last. apparently you haven't paid attention the last 5 years and understood the scale of what has occurred in that time. go take a cursory look at the maga cesspools on the internet right now and observe how utterly beyond hope these cunts are even after this final disgrace. I used to think it was non-American agitators who made up the vocal majority on those forums but it's plain as day now after how narrow the vote was and now this that that's not true and the poison has spread vastly and deeply. offering this lot sympathy in good faith emboldens them to continue trampling on sane norms in bad faith, and is the biggest reason why the US' slide into insanity and self-destruction has continued unchecked. tolerance is not deserved here, shame is.

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enough of this pissweak white apologism, at long last. apparently you haven't paid attention the last 5 years and understood the scale of what has occurred in that time. go take a cursory look at the 

A bunch of entitled/threatened/fearful white people have allowed themselves to be brainwashed to support the egotism of a common opportunist / cheap tie salesman. Now they are resorting to violen

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1 hour ago, usagi said:

offering this lot sympathy in good faith emboldens them to continue trampling on sane norms in bad faith, and is the biggest reason why the US' slide into insanity and self-destruction has continued unchecked.

I agree with @Rubin Farr she was a human now dead. I also appreciate your position too but I disagree with your idea about sane norms. You are so right about things that have changed in the last five years. I am worried that any return to normalcy whatever that means is wishful thinking.

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3 hours ago, nikisoko said:

Trump still has 12 days to become presidential tho. We might turn a corner here who knows.

I don't know if that's quite enough time to start any wars or organize any genocides

5 hours ago, chenGOD said:

 

I can't quote one exact thing, but is the general idea behind your post not something along the lines of "The FBI/CIA/HSI should have done something!!!" By that I infer you would like them to have arrested, detained, summarily executed (kidding) a bunch of people on what basis? Congregating in a public space, freedom of expression, the right to freedom of movement, the right to not be arrested arbitrarily, all human rights.

To arrest these people, you need a substantial amount of time and resources to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they were planning and capable of carrying out an attack. Again, not all of these people would be posting on parler, or other open source media, what their intentions were.  One of the scary things about terrorism is how little organization and planning is necessary to carry out a terrorist attack. So these terrorists are all able to say openly, hey let's go to DC, we'll have a rally, we'll wear some shitty t-shirts. No judge in the world is going to grant a warrant to investigate further on that basis. Then once they meet in person, or on the car ride up, they make their barely thought out plans.

So again I ask you, what would you have the FBI do? Arbitrarily arrest people cause of posting about meeting up in washington DC to exclaim to the world that you're happy to "simp for trump"? None of that is illegal - as I've noted, those are all basic human rights.

As to the identification of people - sure dozens of people have been identified - to what standard of proof? Remember when reddit ID'ed the boston marathon bombers? And there were thousands of people involved, so dozens is just scratching the surface - you nor I have no idea what is going behind FBI doors (except for a lot of people logging a lot of overtime).

All of this stuff makes sense theoretically if the US actually cared about these bullshit rules but how about we at least expect them to treat right wing protestors the same way they do left wing protestors?
 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polices-tepid-response-to-the-capitol-breach-wasnt-an-aberration/

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everyone fucking knew this was going to happen weeks in advance, I knew about this and I wasn't even paying attention I just saw one of my right wing friends mention it.  no excuses, the real explanation is that they simply do not fucking care about right wingers whereas they beat left wing protestors to shreds.  we saw it during the BLM protests and we're seeing it again now.  really getting sick of pathetic liberals

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8 hours ago, chenGOD said:

I can't quote one exact thing, but is the general idea behind your post not something along the lines of "The FBI/CIA/HSI should have done something!!!" By that I infer you would like them to have arrested, detained, summarily executed (kidding) a bunch of people on what basis?

you're obviously not reading what i'm writing (as this is the the exact opposite of what i just stated) or choosing to ignore it, so i'm going to actually not read the rest of what you're saying. piss off kindly now 🙂

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2 hours ago, bupkis said:

I agree with @Rubin Farr she was a human now dead. I also appreciate your position too but I disagree with your idea about sane norms. You are so right about things that have changed in the last five years. I am worried that any return to normalcy whatever that means is wishful thinking.

rushing into the Capitol like that is essentially a deathwish.

if someone goes free climbing up the side of a cliff and then their hand slips and they fall and die....yeah, sucks they died, but they were doing a thing which they knew could very well end up with their own death. so yeah it's sad but also they knew exactly what they were getting in to, fuck 'em.

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4 hours ago, usagi said:

enough of this pissweak white apologism, at long last. apparently you haven't paid attention the last 5 years and understood the scale of what has occurred in that time. go take a cursory look at the maga cesspools on the internet right now and observe how utterly beyond hope these cunts are even after this final disgrace. I used to think it was non-American agitators who made up the vocal majority on those forums but it's plain as day now after how narrow the vote was and now this that that's not true and the poison has spread vastly and deeply. offering this lot sympathy in good faith emboldens them to continue trampling on sane norms in bad faith, and is the biggest reason why the US' slide into insanity and self-destruction has continued unchecked. tolerance is not deserved here, shame is.

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4 hours ago, usagi said:

enough of this pissweak white apologism, at long last. apparently you haven't paid attention the last 5 years and understood the scale of what has occurred in that time. go take a cursory look at the maga cesspools on the internet right now and observe how utterly beyond hope these cunts are even after this final disgrace. I used to think it was non-American agitators who made up the vocal majority on those forums but it's plain as day now after how narrow the vote was and now this that that's not true and the poison has spread vastly and deeply. offering this lot sympathy in good faith emboldens them to continue trampling on sane norms in bad faith, and is the biggest reason why the US' slide into insanity and self-destruction has continued unchecked. tolerance is not deserved here, shame is.

Well that’s just like your opinion, man.

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12 hours ago, auxien said:

now they're resorting to asking for public help (AFTER the damage has been done)

 

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9 hours ago, chenGOD said:

I can't quote one exact thing, but is the general idea behind your post not something along the lines of "The FBI/CIA/HSI should have done something!!!" By that I infer you would like them to have arrested, detained, summarily executed (kidding) a bunch of people on what basis?

you're obviously not reading what i'm writing (as this is the the exact opposite of what i just stated)

Are you not inferring that the authorities should have done something prior to the incident? Do you think just going down to these people and having a little tickle fight with them would have gotten them to stop?

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3 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

I don't know if that's quite enough time to start any wars or organize any genocides

All of this stuff makes sense theoretically if the US actually cared about these bullshit rules but how about we at least expect them to treat right wing protestors the same way they do left wing protestors?
 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polices-tepid-response-to-the-capitol-breach-wasnt-an-aberration/

I'm not disagreeing with the difference response (the after the fact response or some Capitol police helping with barricades and taking selfies etc.), I'm talking about going through due process beforehand to prevent this.

One thing is for sure though, the US legislative response to this will be guaranteed to give more power to law enforcement.

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Good job that only four people got shot. The security personnel seems to be well trained otherwise more would have died.

I personally only have a limited contingent of compassion to give and I save it for people who deserve it more.

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13 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

 

Are you not inferring that the authorities should have done something prior to the incident? Do you think just going down to these people and having a little tickle fight with them would have gotten them to stop?

piss off.

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19 hours ago, Braintree said:

if the local departments were so inclined, they could have definitely tracked every "protestor" (domestic terrorist) and identifed them that way.

I think you're giving way too much credit to the capacity and capability of local law enforcement agencies. But yes there's also the likelihood that local law enforcement agencies (especially in rural areas) have strong ties with these individuals....

1 minute ago, auxien said:

piss off.

Not into golden showers. Ooh maybe now that Donnie no longer has any influence the Russians will release the Kraken (on pornhub?)

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4 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

everyone fucking knew this was going to happen weeks in advance, I knew about this and I wasn't even paying attention I just saw one of my right wing friends mention it.

You knew that they were going to storm the Capitol building?

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They should put some of these terrorists into Guantanamo to torture them and see if they have more information. They got way closer to do serious damage than most Al Qaida or other Islamist terrorists. Since the US is all about antiterrorism and inner security that would be the logical path.

 

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4 minutes ago, ianandi said:

The real question is, do we toss our Ariel Pink and John Maus albums?

I’m confused: why is that the question? 

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“Unfit” was part of public rhetoric around the 2016 “pussy grabbing” tape and President Barack Obama’s specific, considered use of this word. The word “unfit” came up again, compellingly, repeatedly, when multiple mental health professionals observed the impulsive, reactive pattern of Trump’s Tweets, the startling, childish-sounding threats (“I have a much bigger button” directed at Kim Jong Yun via Twitter in January 2018), even as closer observers, inside the White House, pointed to speech patterns consistent with cognitive decline. Yet petitions, articles, memoirs, phrases like “out of his mind” and “impaired” have been useless throughout all four years of this disastrous presidency. The notion of “unfitness’ appeared to only strengthen his support among those who romanticized what they perceived as Trump’s frank and unrepentant narcissism.

The Madness of King Trump: On Being Unfit to Serve (Chaya Bhuvaneswar/LitHub)

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6 minutes ago, dingformung said:

Not into receiving them or not into giving them? Could you by any chance piss in my mouth?

I've actually never thought about giving them. Probably - want to fly me to Germany?

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19 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

You knew that they were going to storm the Capitol building?

Well...they actually made merch. And media reports that this was planned via Gab and Parler. So people responsible for security SHOULD have known.

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11 minutes ago, apriorion said:

I’m confused: why is that the question? 

They were among the protesters. 

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8 hours ago, Braintree said:

Paywall.

 

Not sure if this has been posted yet. The fucked up reality in a nutshell.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

I've actually never thought about giving them. Probably - want to fly me to Germany?

You have only fantasised about receiving them, so far? Let's make this happen

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Also, this is an interesting thread on twitter about cops "letting people in"

 

Now of course they should have been more prepared, but even when the Maryland Governonr called for back-up, he was denied by Acting Chief of DoD Christopher Miller (installed by Trump weeks before the assault on the Capitol):

https://theweek.com/speedreads/959671/maryland-governor-said-repeatedly-denied-authorization-send-national-guard-dc

7 minutes ago, scumtron said:

Well...they actually made merch. And media reports that this was planned via Gab and Parler. So people responsible for security SHOULD have known.

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How is that evidence they were going to storm the Capitol building?

Everyone knew there were going to be protests for sure. Storming the Capitol building and looking for hostages (the guys with the zip-tie handcuffs)? I don't think so.

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3 minutes ago, dingformung said:

You have only fantasised about receiving them, so far? Let's make this happen

Not fantasized, but nice try.

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